Best machine to burn rod on pipe

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What is the best machine to burn rod on pipe (6010 / 7018) that is portable with tig capabilities .... like a maxstar, or dynasty, or even a lincoln i dont know any lincoln models off hand. let me know from experiance. AC is not important.Miller Pro 300 SS w/ cat Miller Bobcat 250Miller Diversion 165 Miller 211Miller Xtreme 375Miller 12vsMiller Dynasty 200 DX Miller Passport Plus w/ Spool GunMiller 30a spoolmaticLincoln AC225 Buzz Box VictorMathey Dearman - H&M
Reply:I damn sure wouldn't use a Maxstar.The Lincoln V350 is probably the best machine I've used so far.
Replyincoln SA 200 hands down1973 Lincoln SA 200, Already replaced shunt coils, Idle board (SOLD)1984 Miller Dialarc 250HF, Miller water cooler, 250 AMP water cooled torch, you know the worx.
Reply:Invertec V-275 S is a damn fine choice as well Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk 2
Reply:im looking for a SA200 as we speak. never welded with one but how can so many people be wrongMiller Pro 300 SS w/ cat Miller Bobcat 250Miller Diversion 165 Miller 211Miller Xtreme 375Miller 12vsMiller Dynasty 200 DX Miller Passport Plus w/ Spool GunMiller 30a spoolmaticLincoln AC225 Buzz Box VictorMathey Dearman - H&M
Reply:You say you want portable yet you list in shop machines like maxstar and dynasty?Neither of those machines would be my prefered pipe welding machines.Since your sig indicates you are a blue man, the Miller XMT 304 would be my in shop pipe welder, if I was a blue man.Now, if you want portable? Lincoln classic 3D,  the older SA 200, or pipeliner would be superior portable pipe welders that will all tig weld.JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Replyortable as in I can power in the field of my bobcat.Miller Pro 300 SS w/ cat Miller Bobcat 250Miller Diversion 165 Miller 211Miller Xtreme 375Miller 12vsMiller Dynasty 200 DX Miller Passport Plus w/ Spool GunMiller 30a spoolmaticLincoln AC225 Buzz Box VictorMathey Dearman - H&M
Reply:What do you want by power in the field? You mean for grinders and drills I take it? If that's the case the sa200 will power whatever you need as long as it will run on dc current. You can also install an inverter on the machine to power ac tools. Where are you located and how much are you looking to spend? Do your research on these machine before you drop a few k on one. They are great machines and I love mine but do your research. If you go to buy one take your own leads with you and a scrap piece and weld with it before you buy it. They can get very costly in a quick hurry if you buy one and don't know what to check for before purchasing one and. It knowing what the problem could be. Also don't buy one that has been sitting for a long time unless you put new gas in it check the wiring out and weld with it first.1973 Lincoln SA 200, Already replaced shunt coils, Idle board (SOLD)1984 Miller Dialarc 250HF, Miller water cooler, 250 AMP water cooled torch, you know the worx.
Replym me if you have any questions about what to look for. It's too much to type on my iPhone lol.1973 Lincoln SA 200, Already replaced shunt coils, Idle board (SOLD)1984 Miller Dialarc 250HF, Miller water cooler, 250 AMP water cooled torch, you know the worx.
Reply:I use my plasma in the field and grinders drills ect. i also power my 211 for some welds, my bobcat powers them all fine including my suitcase. im now looking for a nice stick machine everything i due is in the field. i bought my bobcat with out stick welding in mind i was just using it a generator at first, now i need a REAL stick machine. so should i get a whole new engine drive or get something i can power off my bobcat? the bobcat will stick weld good. but from what i hear its not good enough! i have not welded with any other type of engine drive.Miller Pro 300 SS w/ cat Miller Bobcat 250Miller Diversion 165 Miller 211Miller Xtreme 375Miller 12vsMiller Dynasty 200 DX Miller Passport Plus w/ Spool GunMiller 30a spoolmaticLincoln AC225 Buzz Box VictorMathey Dearman - H&M
ReplyHX,AZ  price? want a solid machine... maybe 3k 3500Last edited by grindel; 05-06-2012 at 11:05 PM.Miller Pro 300 SS w/ cat Miller Bobcat 250Miller Diversion 165 Miller 211Miller Xtreme 375Miller 12vsMiller Dynasty 200 DX Miller Passport Plus w/ Spool GunMiller 30a spoolmaticLincoln AC225 Buzz Box VictorMathey Dearman - H&M
Reply:I personally wouldn't spend over 2k on a machine ever I would rather spend less upfront knowing what I got then buy one for more money and find out the guy I bought it from was hiding the problems it had.1973 Lincoln SA 200, Already replaced shunt coils, Idle board (SOLD)1984 Miller Dialarc 250HF, Miller water cooler, 250 AMP water cooled torch, you know the worx.
Reply:From reading your posts, I would say that your Bobcat will do more than you are capable of doing at this point. Start welding with it and when you learn what it won't do by experience, then you will be ready for a new machine.
Reply:If your a blue guy, pick up a used miller big blue pro 300 from rsc...I've used them a few times and they rock. 400 amps, cat diesel and they are very qiuet.
Reply:What are the used pipe pros going for?Miller Pro 300 SS w/ cat Miller Bobcat 250Miller Diversion 165 Miller 211Miller Xtreme 375Miller 12vsMiller Dynasty 200 DX Miller Passport Plus w/ Spool GunMiller 30a spoolmaticLincoln AC225 Buzz Box VictorMathey Dearman - H&M
Reply:Early SA 200's are out if you need AC power to run tools - Early ones that is, not sure about the latest model years. If you want to run plasmas and other high draw, 230V equipment then you need to stay with newer engine drives. I suspect your Bobcat is similar to our Trailblazer 302 with its separate dedicated generator. The Lincoln Classic 300D might be a contender as it has all copper windings but I think you need to go to the Vantage if you need 230V aux powerThermal Arc Fabricator 2101970 Lincoln RedfaceMiller 150 STLStill need a Syncrowave and a plasma and a milling machine and a lathe and a bigger shop and a....
Reply:Originally Posted by TuscanyLincoln SA 200 hands down
Reply:I hate to break it to you cause it sounds like you want a new machine but your little bobcat will do what your asking....If you just have to have another machine, by all means go for it but the bobcat has been there and done that. It's a thirsty little sucker though. lol
Reply:It has very little to do with the machine and everything to do with the welder.  Why don't you use your bobcat?  It is a very capable pipe welding machine, even commercially and far more portable than a heavy hunk of steel sa-200.
Reply:Originally Posted by walkerFrom reading your posts, I would say that your Bobcat will do more than you are capable of doing at this point. Start welding with it and when you learn what it won't do by experience, then you will be ready for a new machine.
Reply:Originally Posted by woohooI hate to break it to you cause it sounds like you want a new machine but your little bobcat will do what your asking....If you just have to have another machine, by all means go for it but the bobcat has been there and done that. It's a thirsty little sucker though. lol
Reply:Originally Posted by Zca4It has very little to do with the machine and everything to do with the welder.  Why don't you use your bobcat?  It is a very capable pipe welding machine, even commercially and far more portable than a heavy hunk of steel sa-200.
Reply:Because no inspector will let you test if you roll up with a bobcat.1973 Lincoln SA 200, Already replaced shunt coils, Idle board (SOLD)1984 Miller Dialarc 250HF, Miller water cooler, 250 AMP water cooled torch, you know the worx.
Reply:I kind of understand what you are saying.. it is capable of doing what i am doing at this point. but im looking to better my self and abilities.
Reply:Originally Posted by TuscanyBecause no inspector will let you test if you roll up with a bobcat.Originally Posted by Zca46010/7018, why would you mention anything about a pipeline?  You should be able to do those silly downhill welds with a buzz box tied to a gas can anyways, it's that easy.
Reply:Originally Posted by grindelI understand what you are saying, there is no doubt it sure is easy to move that bobcat around. i guess i am under the impression that there is something else out there that will help me improve my ability (or my machine holding me back). i really havent heard anyone say man "i love the way my bobcat welds pipe" maybe there is some people here that do use a BC for pipe they sure dont advertise it. whats the reason!
Reply:Originally Posted by farmallThen take the time to study and get an EXACT idea of what you want to be able to do differently.Also, if you install a larger alternator and an inverter on an SA (see off-road forums like Pirate 4x4, those folks have large alternator mods down to an art) you can power all sorts of goodies.Here's another place to ask about pipe:http://www.rigwelder.com/forum/index.php
Reply:Originally Posted by Zca4It's not my number one choice to weld with, I'll tell you that.  But if it's all the contractor has, and they're expecting you to pass every time they shoot it you gotta do what you gotta do.  If you've got the basics down and can weld halfway decent you should be able to weld pipe with that machine.  Why not use the money you're thinking about buying another machine with and buy a beveling machine and some pipe?
Reply:We use Miller CST 280's. They have a stick setting for 6010  and 7018 with soft or stiff settings for each.    http://www.millerwelds.com/products/stick/cst-280/
Reply:I had a bobcat 250 that i bought new in 2008. The only reason I sold it was because I needed the money for the our move to Texas.  Trust me, that thing earned it's keep for me.  My trade is rig welding.  I've seen guys bring all kinds of machines to chase rigs with.  I've even seen the Hobart machines- you know the ones that you see at Tractor Supply.  As far as welding pipe- sometimes you do what you know will work and what you can get away with.  I welded lots of pipe with the one i had.  No, it wasn't an SA 200, it lacked serious dig capabilty with 6010 and i couldn't mount a ditch box.  But that BC got me out of a lot of jams.  I welded gas service lines, hot taps and meter sets with it without any problems.  Yes, that was downhill welding except for the hot taps which were lo hi.  Don't know what ya ll are talk'n about with the fuel efficency thing.  I always thought it was decent on fuel.  12 gals would get me an easy 2 days, sometimes 3.  As long as you had an even gap around the pipe and set the heat right or had a helper to adjust the heat, that bobcat was a pipe weld'n machine ! just my opinion
Reply:Originally Posted by lincweldI had a bobcat 250 that i bought new in 2008. The only reason I sold it was because I needed the money for the our move to Texas.  Trust me, that thing earned it's keep for me.  My trade is rig welding.  I've seen guys bring all kinds of machines to chase rigs with.  I've even seen the Hobart machines- you know the ones that you see at Tractor Supply.  As far as welding pipe- sometimes you do what you know will work and what you can get away with.  I welded lots of pipe with the one i had.  No, it wasn't an SA 200, it lacked serious dig capabilty with 6010 and i couldn't mount a ditch box.  But that BC got me out of a lot of jams.  I welded gas service lines, hot taps and meter sets with it without any problems.  Yes, that was downhill welding except for the hot taps which were lo hi.  Don't know what ya ll are talk'n about with the fuel efficency thing.  I always thought it was decent on fuel.  12 gals would get me an easy 2 days, sometimes 3.  As long as you had an even gap around the pipe and set the heat right or had a helper to adjust the heat, that bobcat was a pipe weld'n machine ! just my opinion
Reply:Originally Posted by lincweldI had a bobcat 250 that i bought new in 2008. The only reason I sold it was because I needed the money for the our move to Texas.  Trust me, that thing earned it's keep for me.  My trade is rig welding.  I've seen guys bring all kinds of machines to chase rigs with.  I've even seen the Hobart machines- you know the ones that you see at Tractor Supply.  As far as welding pipe- sometimes you do what you know will work and what you can get away with.  I welded lots of pipe with the one i had.  No, it wasn't an SA 200, it lacked serious dig capabilty with 6010 and i couldn't mount a ditch box.  But that BC got me out of a lot of jams.  I welded gas service lines, hot taps and meter sets with it without any problems.  Yes, that was downhill welding except for the hot taps which were lo hi.  Don't know what ya ll are talk'n about with the fuel efficency thing.  I always thought it was decent on fuel.  12 gals would get me an easy 2 days, sometimes 3.  As long as you had an even gap around the pipe and set the heat right or had a helper to adjust the heat, that bobcat was a pipe weld'n machine ! just my opinion
Reply:Originally Posted by grindelpoint taken im self employed so what your talking about isnt what im trying to accomplish..it is to get a better set up to expand.  I have the plenty of pipe to pratice on a beveling machine doesnt seem like money well spent at this time. you yourself said its not what you would pick for your first choice. so what is your first choice? and why?
Reply:Originally Posted by Zca4Well you confused me with all this machine holding me back talk, no professional would ever say that.  If I had my own welding business, I would buy a vantage.
Reply:Originally Posted by BD1We use Miller CST 280's. They have a stick setting for 6010  and 7018 with soft or stiff settings for each.    http://www.millerwelds.com/products/stick/cst-280/
Reply:Grindel listen to someone who has used these machines to make a living on the firing line.1973 Lincoln SA 200, Already replaced shunt coils, Idle board (SOLD)1984 Miller Dialarc 250HF, Miller water cooler, 250 AMP water cooled torch, you know the worx.
Reply:Originally Posted by Tus[LEFT[/LEFT]cany;1131541]Grindel listen to someone who has used these machines to make a living on the firing line.
Reply:Originally Posted by TuscanyNot if you were going out on the firing line. Well maybe you would but you wouldn't get far and would waste a lot of money on a machine that wouldn't perform like the older machines out there. The SA 200's are highly sought after for their smooth arc characteristics as well as the ability to dig in on the bead and hot pass and be able to out stack the other machines. With the firing line speed and quality are the keys to success. If you took a vantage or bob cat out on the line and all the other welders were out stacking you and puttin out two or three times the product you were in the same amoun of time you'd be run off. Also while your fighting your bead pass because your machine can't dig enough to compensate for the poor fit up that is the norm in pipelining and it's taking too long the inspectors as well as the superintendent will run you off as your costing them more money than the rest of the guys out there.
Reply:No I'm pretty damn sure it's 6010 5p+ 5/32 for the bead and 8010 g. Also we do use 7018 as well for tie ins too. He said what's the best machine for burning rod on pipe period doesnt matter if he's pipelining or not you don't use a racthet for a hammer do you? No you use the right too for the job and a bob cat is not the right tool. And before you start trying to tell me what we use in the field of work I do you might want to do a little research first or spend your money and rig out and try to get a test somewhere.1973 Lincoln SA 200, Already replaced shunt coils, Idle board (SOLD)1984 Miller Dialarc 250HF, Miller water cooler, 250 AMP water cooled torch, you know the worx.
Reply:Originally Posted by TuscanyI'm not puting miller machines down as they are great in shop machines and the pipe pros are nice too but there is a reason the sa200 has been around for so long. If you have ever used one on a pipeline you would never buy a mille to replace it. And as far as your even gap statement any real pipe fitter/ welder knows that you rarely get a perfect fit up on the firing line. If you buy a SA 200 you'll never regret it as they are not only a piece of history but an absolutely top of the line piece of welding equipment that it essential to have on the line. And as I stated earlier if your gonna go pipelining I would love to see the look on the inspectors face when he sees you pull up with a bobcat on your rig. You'd be run off before you could even unwrap your leads to test. Ask any real pipeliner they will tell you the same.
Reply:Most of the stuff that goes wrong with an SA 200 is a quick fix. With a bob cat on the other hand you have all the circuit boards and electronics that can and do burn up in them as they are an inverter type machine. Usually with a 200 it's a bad ground or bad wire or stuck brush very easy to fix and very quick.1973 Lincoln SA 200, Already replaced shunt coils, Idle board (SOLD)1984 Miller Dialarc 250HF, Miller water cooler, 250 AMP water cooled torch, you know the worx.
Reply:Originally Posted by TuscanyMost of the stuff that goes wrong with an SA 200 is a quick fix. With a bob cat on the other hand you have all the circuit boards and electronics that can and do burn up in them as they are an inverter type machine. Usually with a 200 it's a bad ground or bad wire or stuck brush very easy to fix and very quick.
Replyol what's wrong with your machine? And of course all machines can and do have bigger problems but usually with a SA 200 even if it can't be fixed on the spot you can usually fix it yourself  with the new inverter type machines you need and electrician.1973 Lincoln SA 200, Already replaced shunt coils, Idle board (SOLD)1984 Miller Dialarc 250HF, Miller water cooler, 250 AMP water cooled torch, you know the worx.
Reply:I dropped $6,000 in my machine.  $3,000 in the engine alone !  There better not be anything wrong with my machine !  haha ! naw, my only point is sh*t happens. if its mechanical, it'll go wrong.  you're right tho, there is more to go wrong with the newer stuff !
Reply:Wow that's a lot of dough man. I got a little over 2500 total in mine thats including what I paid for my machine. Lol I'm completely aware of the problems with these machines. I actually got another thread right now that is about changing all the gaskets and seals on the front of the engine. I've already replaced the shunt coils, brushes, idler board, alternator, belt, crank pulley, all the gaskets for the timing cover and oil pan, new green light for the oil pressure and new toggle switch for the ignition.1973 Lincoln SA 200, Already replaced shunt coils, Idle board (SOLD)1984 Miller Dialarc 250HF, Miller water cooler, 250 AMP water cooled torch, you know the worx.
Reply:Originally Posted by TuscanyNo I'm pretty damn sure it's 6010 5p+ 5/32 for the bead and 8010 g. Also we do use 7018 as well for tie ins too. He said what's the best machine for burning rod on pipe period doesnt matter if he's pipelining or not you don't use a racthet for a hammer do you? No you use the right too for the job and a bob cat is not the right tool. And before you start trying to tell me what we use in the field of work I do you might want to do a little research first or spend your money and rig out and try to get a test somewhere.
Reply:how long you been pipelining tuscany? Sounds like you know a lot for a guy whos machine is on a tounge and axel. Did you just break out, or have you not broken out and pose to be an experience hand? I thought the fit was almost near perfect on the firing line for qa/qc purposes and productivity. Imperfect fits are on tie- ins
Reply:Originally Posted by TuscanyWow that's a lot of dough man. I got a little over 2500 total in mine thats including what I paid for my machine. Lol I'm completely aware of the problems with these machines. I actually got another thread right now that is about changing all the gaskets and seals on the front of the engine. I've already replaced the shunt coils, brushes, idler board, alternator, belt, crank pulley, all the gaskets for the timing cover and oil pan, new green light for the oil pressure and new toggle switch for the ignition.
Reply:Originally Posted by TuscanyThat's an in shop machine not an engine drive.