Hypertherm Powermax 30 AIR

Tue, 31 Aug 2021 09:08:03 GMT

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I haven't seen much talk about the new Hypertherm 30 AIR, with the built in compressor. I am ordering one here in the UK and the place where I am buying it says that I will be the first person in UK to have one... I don't know if that's right or not..... I guess you must have them over your side of the pond ?
Reply:I guess your going to be the first in the world to have one then.www.georgesplasmacuttershop.comPlasma Cutter and Welder Sales and Repairs--Ebay storeTec.Mo. Dealer Consumables for the PT and IPT torch's
Reply:Well, that seems unlikely......       Here is the Hypertherm info sheet.....http://www.rapidwelding.com/files/088098.pdf
Reply:The official product release has not been announced.....later this week it will be. If anyone has specific questions I can address them!Jim Colt   Hypertherm Originally Posted by KelvinJouharWell, that seems unlikely......       Here is the Hypertherm info sheet.....http://www.rapidwelding.com/files/088098.pdf
Reply:Originally Posted by jimcoltThe official product release has not been announced.....later this week it will be. If anyone has specific questions I can address them!Jim Colt   Hypertherm
Reply:Hmmm. 10 weeks ago HT steered me to a 30XP for field application, lugging a portable compressor. Would have been nice to know this was in the works. Kelvin- what was your UK price ? Originally Posted by KelvinJouharWell, that seems unlikely......       Here is the Hypertherm info sheet.....http://www.rapidwelding.com/files/088098.pdf
Reply:Jim,  how much current does that compressor draw?  It's got to be close to 15 amps @ 110vac just to put the output needed for cutting without a reserve tank as well.   Which means any chance of running it on a 15 or 20 amp house circuit is out?Tiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:Sounds awesome ... can't wait to read more about it.Located In SE OklahomaLincoln Mig 135Hobart Ironman 230 Mig5x10 CNC Table with DTHC & FTHypertherm PM65 on the tableMiller Bobcatwww.caneyagequipment.com
Reply:Originally Posted by soutthpawJim,  how much current does that compressor draw?  It's got to be close to 15 amps @ 110vac just to put the output needed for cutting without a reserve tank as well.   Which means any chance of running it on a 15 or 20 amp house circuit is out?
Reply:I think it's a great idea but compressing air requires a lot of power.   It has noting to do with inverter efficiency.     Curious to know the MSRP.    Building a quality compressor like that is not cheap either.The spec also says 29amps at 110v.  But I'm guessing it has a standard 15 amp plug end.Tiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:Originally Posted by soutthpawI think it's a great idea but compressing air requires a lot of power.   It has noting to do with inverter efficiency.     Curious to know the MSRP.    Building a quality compressor like that is not cheap either.The spec also says 29amps at 110v.  But I'm guessing it has a standard 15 amp plug end.
Reply:That's really great that someone in Europe knows about this unit before we here in the states do www.georgesplasmacuttershop.comPlasma Cutter and Welder Sales and Repairs--Ebay storeTec.Mo. Dealer Consumables for the PT and IPT torch's
Reply:Originally Posted by zedHmmm. 10 weeks ago HT steered me to a 30XP for field application, lugging a portable compressor. Would have been nice to know this was in the works. Kelvin- what was your UK price ?
Reply:Originally Posted by mechanic416That's really great that someone in Europe knows about this unit before we here in the states do
Reply:Hopefully it's not $2000.00 USD like the site says.. Otherwise the Lincoln Tomahawk  375 for $1,163.00 (240 volts only) would make better use of your $$$$ (IMO)http://www.weldingsuppliesfromioc.co...Fc1gfgodP7sA5gEsab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:US made items are always more expensive in the UK...  We are well used to it.  Even if I could ship something over here, I would have to pay a lot for carriage, then import duty and VAT.... It's not  worth the hassle.   I don't think that the Lincoln Tomahawk is available in the UK... We have the Lincoln PC210 over here, which has an onboard compressor, but I think the Hypertherm is a better machine - that's what I have bought - I will have to wait and see....
Reply:Yeah, seems UK buyers somehow get stuck for the same number of pounds as we pay USD (after respective VAT/tax). Doesn't matter where the stuff is made, either; check out the same Chinese-made items on Ikea UK and Ikea US sites. Same number, different currency symbol. My bro was in Cambridge a few years when the rate was close to 2:1, he'd max out his luggage every visit home.  Originally Posted by KelvinJouharUS made items are always more expensive in the UK...  We are well used to it.  Even if I could ship something over here, I would have to pay a lot for carriage, then import duty and VAT.... It's not  worth the hassle.   I don't think that the Lincoln Tomahawk is available in the UK... We have the Lincoln PC210 over here, which has an onboard compressor, but I think the Hypertherm is a better machine - that's what I have bought - I will have to wait and see....
Reply:The Hypetherm is probably a excellent machine. For the people that really need the option of 120 volts, then it will be the best. If you end up saving a bunch of money, and don't need the 120 volt input, then the Lincoln looks quite attractive at it's price point. Just all depends if the Hypertherm can bring them in at a decent price. Both will have a market..Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Where did you see the $ 2000.00?I see $ 2854.50 on rapidwelding.When I was looking at buying my powermax 45 it was a lot cheaper to buy it and import it from the states even after shipping, import taxes and VAT.However the problem was that US dealers were not allowed to sell in Europe and also the machines are designed for different frequencies (50Hz vs 60Hz).I am glad Hypertherm finally decided on introducing a plasma cutter with an integrated compressor.Here is a discussion I had with Jim Colt on the subject when I was thinking about buying a plasma cutter.http://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php...reccomendation
Reply:1850 euro = 2096.64 USD. Not including your taxes..  http://www.rapidwelding.com/dynamic/...?c=088098&zl=1In your thread it shows Just how much Jim was against 120 volt/ built-in air plasma units. Seems he got overruled on that one.. It fills a real need.. Cost is going a major player here.. If it goes for around the net price of a Hypertherm 45, it will sell really well. (IMO)Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:It is 1850 GBP (British pounds) not Euro, so 1850 GBP = 2500 Euro = 2854 USD.And that is not including taxes .You guys are spoiled with the prices you pay across the pond
Reply:I just thought it was Euro,New world order and all. You guys get a great selection of some awesome plug-in welding units.. Much better then the States (IMO) BTW--no sales tax here either..Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:That we do. Apart from you red and blue we have Fronius, Kemppi, EWM, Lorch, ESAB, Rehm etc.Only problem is we pay almost twice your prices
Reply:As I said previously...the new Powermax has not officially been announced yet. Yes I am fully aware of its capabilities, in fact I have a Beta prototype in my shop. Distributors worldwide are aware of it and were not expected to release the spec sheets until the product is released. It puts out 30 amps when operating on a 220 volt, 20 amp circuit, and can put out 20 amps when operating on a 120 volt, 20 amp circuit. When the product is official, I will provide my experience with it, until then I cannot! To my knowledge the production units are not shipping yet, there could be some Beta units in the field in the hands of our reps, but they are not for sale (and won't be!)All else I will say is I am suitably impressed with its performance, I did not think we could squeeze more power out of a unit with an internal compressor....the engineers proved me wrong!Jim
Reply:Originally Posted by jimcoltAs I said previously...the new Powermax has not officially been announced yet. Yes I am fully aware of its capabilities, in fact I have a Beta prototype in my shop. Distributors worldwide are aware of it and were not expected to release the spec sheets until the product is released. It puts out 30 amps when operating on a 220 volt, 20 amp circuit, and can put out 20 amps when operating on a 120 volt, 20 amp circuit. When the product is official, I will provide my experience with it, until then I cannot! To my knowledge the production units are not shipping yet, there could be some Beta units in the field in the hands of our reps, but they are not for sale (and won't be!)All else I will say is I am suitably impressed with its performance, I did not think we could squeeze more power out of a unit with an internal compressor....the engineers proved me wrong!JimI'll tell you everything, even take the cover off it for pics....when I can. I like being a Hypertherm associate......so I will stick with the plan as far as new product info goes!Jim Colt  Hypertherm Originally Posted by soutthpawJim, can you tell anymore about the compressor side of it yet?  If not, when you can please answer the following: Also how thick will that 20 amps cut.   I see it has a duty cycle that is the same as the 30xp which requires 80psi @ 4cfm.  That's gotta take a couple HP Compressor to produce instant pressure at that volume.  I know you discussed compressor requirements several times.  It doesn't look like it has an internal tank.  How does it maintain a constant pressure without pulsing.  When I worked for an ambulance company years ago, we had ambulances equipped with Grover air horns.  Being they did not have air brake systems they had a special compressor (no tank) to run the horns.   That compressor alone cost $800. It looked like a starter motor with a pump attached.
Reply:Just an update.  As seen in the messages in this thread there is a new Hypertherm 30 amp plasma cutter about to be released. Hypertherm has learned (from many product releases over the last 46 years!) that it is not in anyones best interest to state product release dates, or a lot of information regarding new products until we are 100% sure that we can meet the dates suggested. So....I can assure you that when we are ready, likely in the next week or two....we will post information about the new unit. We do have to communicate in advance with our worldwide distributors so that they are prepared for new products when end users customers ask about them, however we expect that the distributors will keep information to themselves until we officially announce the release of a product. It is very common on a rather complex production line to have startup issues.....test cells that do not work properly, missing or incorrect parts and sub assemblies, and many more......these things can delay the first shipments for weeks or more, and customers that have ordered equipment certainly get upset when they are not delivered on time. Hypertherm has strict policies regarding releasing information on products before we are ready...and in this case a distributor has jumped the gun a bit!For the record, we are not yet accepting orders for this new product, so while distributors may be ready to order, we have not accepted any orders. For the same reason, we certainly have not shipped any production units, and it will be into March before production is ready for shipping. The product announcement with more technical and performance details will come before we take orders and before we ship units. I'll keep everyone posted!One more item, yes, with some product releases the CE certified (European models) are ready to go before the CSA (USA and many other parts of the world) units. We usually announce product close to the same time in different regions of the world. The Powermax30XP as an example was announced at a German welding show a few weeks before it was announced in the US, and that was based on show schedules as well as other factors.Jim Colt  HyperthermLast edited by jimcolt; 02-17-2015 at 07:56 AM.
Reply:This is getting quite amusing now..... The machine is even being advertised in AUSTRALIA !!!http://www.machines4u.com.au/view/ad...ssor-/203560/#You seem to be getting a raw deal over your side of the pond !!
Reply:KelvinJouhar,There is no raw deal anywhere. If you read my previous post, nothing has changed. Dealers for Hypertherm around the world are always prepared in advance for new product releases, and they have some guidelines regarding Hypertherm's product release date. Clearly there are a few distributors that have chosen to ignore these guidelines, however they cannot order the product until Hypertherm is ready to take orders, and they cannot get the product until Hypertherm is ready to ship. Probably the best way to determine the exact day that we have released the new 30 amp system is to watch the Hypertherm website...it will be clearly shown there when the product is officially released.I had the opportunity yesterday to spend some time cutting with the new system in my home shop, and comparing it with the Powermax30XD at both 120 volt and 220 volt input, and I must say I was pleasantly surprised at the amount of cutting power from a system with an onboard compressor, and I have used all of the different brands. I will provide more details and video as soon as the official product release is made!Jim Colt Originally Posted by KelvinJouharThis is getting quite amusing now..... The machine is even being advertised in AUSTRALIA !!!http://www.machines4u.com.au/view/ad...ssor-/203560/#You seem to be getting a raw deal over your side of the pond !!
Reply:Video here
Reply:Wow !!   That was quick Jim... thanks for that video.
Reply:Ha ha....glad you liked it. The one that I will post however is in my shop cutting and comparing the 30XP and the new 30 Air on both 120 volt and 220 volt conditions. Real world, not just sales and marketing bling.  The guy cutting on the coupe (hot rod) in the posted video is a long time friend of mine.... Originally Posted by KelvinJouharWow !!   That was quick Jim... thanks for that video.
Replyamnit! I was just about to pull the trigger on a new 30XP but now I suppose I better wait for this to be announced.....
Reply:Video is private. BooTorchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:The 30xp will have slightly more power, is smaller and lighter, has a choice of shielded consumables (longest life in the industry) or Finecut (narrow kerf for thinner materials and allows for better performance on 120 volt input), and is less expensive as compared to the (soon to be announced) Powermax30Air. The Powermax30air has a built in compressor, so it is more portable than the 30XP (no air hose/compressor), has one set of consumables (non shielded) that are optimized to run with lower air flow (to keep compressor power usage as low as possible), and with the onboard compressor will be larger, slightly heavier, and will cost more.So....to choose between the two 30 amp plasma's from Hypertherm your particular needs regarding the above will easily help you decide. For my needs (I have shop compressor as well as portable compressor for field use) the 30xp is the best choice. For many, I suspect the 30 air will be the best choice.I have used the 30Air over the last few days in my home shop. I am truly surprised that our engineers were able to get that much cutting performance out of a unit with an onboard compressor. A lot of that performance is the direct result of developing a torch with lower air flow......which allows for a smaller internal compressor that uses less power.....with less power draw from the compressor, there is more power available for the plasma cutter. The inverter power supply was also developed with extremely high efficiency.....so you can kind of think of this unit like you would some of todays Hybrid car technology. All efforts went into low power consumption and efficiency in order to make the Powermax30air lightweight, portable, and most important, powerful enough for many field applications.When running on 120 volts, plugged into a 20 amp circuit....you can get short burst of 30 amp, full output cutting. The unit is rated at 5/16" severance when running on 120 volts, 20 amps. I plugged into a 20 amp 120 volt circuit in my shop, turned the cutting amperage fully open  (30 amps), and cut through almost 3" of 1/2" steel....then the circuit breaker in my panel tripped. So, while the unit will run at 25 amps output without tripping a 20 amp breaker (120 volt circuit with nothing else running on it), you can crank it up for more power for severing bolts or to do short cuts if needed. Of course if you are connected to a 220 volt, 20 amp circuit (or generator output in the 5500 watt range), then there will be no worry of tripping the breaker.The competitive systems with built in air compressors (there are 3):  one has a 35 amp output and high frequency start, and will only run on 220 volts (no 120 volt operation), another has 30 amps output, and also will only run on 220 volts, the third one will run on 120 volts or 220 volts, but can only cut at a maximum of 12 amps. I have cut with all three, the new Powermaxair outperforms them all with ease of use and cut speed/thickness.It will be interesting to see how many users will opt for the new Powermax30Air, to me it looks like it is powerful enough for a lot of field jobs that require portable plasma cutting. Certainly wont replace an oxy-fuel rig for many applications, but will definitely have a lot of applications where it will be more productive.Jim Colt  Hypertherm Originally Posted by mgrotelDamnit! I was just about to pull the trigger on a new 30XP but now I suppose I better wait for this to be announced.....
Reply:There are more.. The Aircut 15c is 15amps output. It's a fine unit. So if you used a older 12 amp machine, then there is quite a difference. Difference is the 15 amps does a quality cut on .250 MS. Sever 5/15. but really slow.   Build quality of the machine is excellent, and it uses a great little compressor. It cuts Just fine on a 15 amp/ 120 volt input line.. I picked up a new old/ stock for $400.00  Was a great value, and the exposed drag tip, lasted really long.. Lincoln is 25 amps output with 240 volt input.. Does not sound like you used that one either?Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Jim,Did you try the 30air on the Cnc table to see how long you can cut for?Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:Jim,   would it be correct to conclude that the 30xp and the 30air have very little in common other than the #30?  The air is not just a 30xp with a compressor added, rather it's a plasma with a redesigned power supply and torch and runs at different air pressure.Tiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:BrandX,I have not used the Aircut 15c. The Lincoln and the 35 amp thermal and the Hobart I have a lot of hours on! They all have their advantages. None (with onboard compressors have the sheer cutting power of the new 30Air......at least none that I used. The Hobart and the Aircut 15c are lower priced (as should be expected). The Lincoln and the Thermal Dynamics 35 amp unit are 220 volt only. JimLast edited by jimcolt; 02-21-2015 at 03:38 PM.
Reply:There are a few shared components, however it is mostly a new power supply as the output had to be tweaked to share power.  All I can say at this point!Jim Originally Posted by soutthpawJim,   would it be correct to conclude that the 30xp and the 30air have very little in common other than the #30?  The air is not just a 30xp with a compressor added, rather it's a plasma with a redesigned power supply and torch and runs at different air pressure.
Reply:I have not yet put the 30Air on the cnc table.Jim Originally Posted by GambleJim,Did you try the 30air on the Cnc table to see how long you can cut for?
Reply:Jim,As a former product manager for electrical test machines that sold for > $35.000., I can sympathize.  Had one client specifically ask about an impending new machine introduction in unfriendly terms.  I lived through that one, though I don't remember how. PTSD is not new, at least not in sales.  Then there was the time I considered jumping off the 12th floor of a corporate HQ in Columbus, Ohio after a meeting with a buyer.  But I had a good local sales rep and he took us all to lunch."USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA  Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:I used to hate new product introductions in my early days at Hypertherm (30 years or more ago) as we did not do long term reliability testing and HALT (highly accelerated life test) as we do today for every new product. Today we keep new products quiet, the development time is longer than it used to be (usually 18 to 30 months for a new plasma system), and the only issues we run into are related to the first production runs, however the first production run now is for Beta units that our salesforce uses to demo the products...they then come back to the factory where they are dismantled and discarded....so the first real production run (that gets shipped as customer orders) is often pretty much trouble free. We are still wary, but when our products are released now it generally is a pretty smooth operation.Jim Colt Originally Posted by OldendumJim,As a former product manager for electrical test machines that sold for > $35.000., I can sympathize.  Had one client specifically ask about an impending new machine introduction in unfriendly terms.  I lived through that one, though I don't remember how. PTSD is not new, at least not in sales.  Then there was the time I considered jumping off the 12th floor of a corporate HQ in Columbus, Ohio after a meeting with a buyer.  But I had a good local sales rep and he took us all to lunch.
Reply:I hope we are close to the official announcement.....The User Manual is now available for download on the Hypertherm website.....https://www.hypertherm.com/Xnet/libr...file=HYP135285
Reply:Very close.  Distributors can now order these units.Jim Colt Originally Posted by KelvinJouharI hope we are close to the official announcement.....The User Manual is now available for download on the Hypertherm website.....https://www.hypertherm.com/Xnet/libr...file=HYP135285
Reply:Jim, You guys run a company the right way...'jus sayin'.And, I don't even own a plasma cutter!!!! (Wish I did)
Reply:I ordered a 30xp as I think it will be the right machine for me.  Curious on pricing for the new air Jim, if you are at liberty to disclose that.
Reply:I know it's frowned upon here, but I did want to mention that my new company will have genuine New Hampshire canned air available for anyone wanting to duplicate factory performance with the P Max 30 air. Might make a difference if you are in New Delhi or Beijing. "USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA  Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:Originally Posted by OldendumI know it's frowned upon here, but I did want to mention that my new company will have genuine New Hampshire canned air available for anyone wanting to duplicate factory performance with the P Max 30 air. Might make a difference if you are in New Delhi or Beijing.
Reply:Originally Posted by mgrotelI ordered a 30xp as I think it will be the right machine for me.  Curious on pricing for the new air Jim, if you are at liberty to disclose that.