Hello All,Today I was offered an opportunity to buy a used hypertherm and need some advice. The unit is a 3 year old supposedly, in good working order, hyper-therm powermax 85. It has offered to me for $2000. It is suppose to have the cnc card in it but it has the handheld torch instead of the machine. There are a few extra consumables included. Eventually I would like to build a cnc table to use it on. Can anyone give me an idea if this is a good deal or not? I don't see many used ones up for sale to get an idea. Any thoughts would be appreciated.Thanks,JB
Reply:JB welcome to the forum, Jim from hypertherm may answer this for you.Lincoln A/C 225Everlast P/A 200
Reply:Those are real good quality,and tough machines. One of the better machines to buy used.. It has to be in excellent shape for me to consider it, but a fair price. Is the $1300 you save worth the 3 year Warranty to you? One repair will eat that up fast.. Look at condition, and go from there.. I probably would offer a bit less, but most of those 85 owners would not move too much.. If it was mine, and mint, I would not. If not mint, then yes I would move on the price some..Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Jim is certainly wise enough not to get into a discussion of retail prices or used value of a current model."USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:I have no problems with list prices on any Hypertherm product, and I am always available to suggest the relative value of second hand systems as well. A new Powermax85 equipped with a CPC port and a hand torch would be priced at just over $4k. You can tell if it has the CPC port by looking at the rear panel....there will be a round socket with capacity for 14 pins.....that is the CPC (circular plastic connector) port.If it is in good general condition....the unit should sell in a second at $2k. The value of it is probably closer to $3k, and with extra consumables, etc., it is an even better deal. Buy it before someone else does! If you power it up and press the two buttons under the display.....you will see the diagnostic screen which will show the Arc Hours on the unit.Best regards, Jim Colt Originally Posted by woodworkerjbHello All,Today I was offered an opportunity to buy a used hypertherm and need some advice. The unit is a 3 year old supposedly, in good working order, hyper-therm powermax 85. It has offered to me for $2000. It is suppose to have the cnc card in it but it has the handheld torch instead of the machine. There are a few extra consumables included. Eventually I would like to build a cnc table to use it on. Can anyone give me an idea if this is a good deal or not? I don't see many used ones up for sale to get an idea. Any thoughts would be appreciated.Thanks,JB
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woodworkerjb - def score the pre-owned unit for $2k. Screaming deal. If there's an issue, Hypertherm will be there to offer you courses of action for resolution. Rip it!"Discovery is to see what everybody else has seen, and to think what nobody else has thought" - Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
Reply:Jim, thanks for your reply. Would there be an amount of arc time that you would consider excessive? Is there anything else I should look at on the diag screen when I go to look at the unit?JB
Reply:Not sure who pays retail, but http://www.weldersupply.com/P/313/Hy...Powermax8525ft$!260.00 worth three years warranty. Not such a streaming deal others think it is.. It's a inverter, and things do, and can go wrong. Most repairs will be over the cost of the extra.. Be wise, and know what things are really worth.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:^ apples to apples. 41% off for a used, 3yr old, unit compared to a new unit. A solid deal. I've purchased 8-10yr+ old units by Miller for 50-60% off the price of new. Can inverters go awry? Yep. Can the unit have issues? Yep. Can the unit be just fine? Yep, And, can hordes of locus suddenly storm out of the sky signaling the start of Armageddon? Possibly.Nothing ventured, nothing gained."Discovery is to see what everybody else has seen, and to think what nobody else has thought" - Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
Reply:I don't have any numbers related to excessive arc hours. Generally if the unit looks like it was taken care of, and the arc hours line up with what the seller says it has....then it is a safe bet. Arc hours mean little to an inverter, assuming it was operated in the center of its capability range....not at the maximum severance capability all the time.Jim Colt Originally Posted by woodworkerjbJim, thanks for your reply. Would there be an amount of arc time that you would consider excessive? Is there anything else I should look at on the diag screen when I go to look at the unit?JB
Reply:Originally Posted by ManoKai^ apples to apples. 41% off for a used, 3yr old, unit compared to a new unit. A solid deal. I've purchased 8-10yr+ old units by Miller for 50-60% off the price of new. Can inverters go awry? Yep. Can the unit have issues? Yep. Can the unit be just fine? Yep, And, can hordes of locus suddenly storm out of the sky signaling the start of Armageddon? Possibly.Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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BrandX - see your point. All about risk vs reward. The PM65 new for same/similar price would def be a solid alternative. Always comes down to personal requirements. If one would never use the capabilities of an "85", then a new "65" with full warranty would trump the aforementioned."Discovery is to see what everybody else has seen, and to think what nobody else has thought" - Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
Reply:Now that Jim has posted the page about the service screen.If your 65 or 85 every show a fault code. Please take pictures. One of the main screen and one of the service screen. Not all fault codes when displayed are then stored in the log. It will help the service shop talk with hypertherm tech support and get the unit repaired right the first time.For the least cost.
Reply:Originally Posted by ManoKai@ BrandX - see your point. All about risk vs reward. The PM65 new for same/similar price would def be a solid alternative. Always comes down to personal requirements. If one would never use the capabilities of an "85", then a new "65" with full warranty would trump the aforementioned.
Reply:On my PMax 85 I had a solenoid valve go out after about 2 months of use. Talked to Hypertherm, diagnosed the problem, they created a ticket (can't remember their term) and 2 days later I had a new valve at my LWS, where I bought the machine. I installed it in about 15 minutes and was back up and running. Having a warranty is a good piece of mind when you machine goes down and costs you money.
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Synergy - related, experienced a malfunctioning Hypertherm filter assembly last week for our PM45. The filter was 6months past warranty and the awesome crew at Hypertherm honored a new replacement. Returned the faulty item yesterday, and should have our new filter assembly within days. Hypertherm - Made in USA."Discovery is to see what everybody else has seen, and to think what nobody else has thought" - Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
Reply:Hypertherm took care of me and their machine has exceeded my expectations. They have a customer for life. Maybe one day I can upgrade to the HyPerformance HPR260XD!
Reply:I would like to thank everyone for their input and advice. So after I made the decision to buy the used unit I called the guy to setup a time to meet. Took 4 days for him to respond with I will give you a call in a few days. Long story short the guy got flaky and I decided that was the sign I should just buy a new unit. I went with a new PM65 with both the hand torch and the machine torch. I should have it tomorrow. The unit comes with a cdc but I am not sure if the rs485 is included. If not I will watch for a good deal on the upgrade card. Spending the extra money on the new hypertherm will delay my plasma table but, I am happy to have a new under warranty unit. Again thank you all for the help.JB
Reply:The configured systems from Hypertherm that have both hand and machine torches are the best deal.....as they are discounted pretty well, effectively getting the machine torch at a great price. Thanks for buying the Hypertehrm unit from all of us at Hypertherm....we'll be sure that you are satisfied with the performance. If you let me know the part number you ordered I can let you know what it includes regarding the CPC and Serial ports for machine use.Jim Colt Hypertherm Originally Posted by woodworkerjbI would like to thank everyone for their input and advice. So after I made the decision to buy the used unit I called the guy to setup a time to meet. Took 4 days for him to respond with I will give you a call in a few days. Long story short the guy got flaky and I decided that was the sign I should just buy a new unit. I went with a new PM65 with both the hand torch and the machine torch. I should have it tomorrow. The unit comes with a cdc but I am not sure if the rs485 is included. If not I will watch for a good deal on the upgrade card. Spending the extra money on the new hypertherm will delay my plasma table but, I am happy to have a new under warranty unit. Again thank you all for the help.JB
Reply:Thanks Jim, I ordered part number:HYP083300
Reply:The Hypertherm system part number 083300 includes the CPC port which has arc start, arc transfer output and divided DC voltage signals which will be adequate for most cnc cutting machine interface requirements. You can order the optional serial port upgrade (part no 228539) which includes diagnostics as well as remote control of air pressure and cutting current if your CNC machine has that capability.....it is an easy field upgrade.Best regards, Jim Colt Originally Posted by woodworkerjbThanks Jim, I ordered part number:HYP083300
