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Hi, im new to this site as a poster but ive found a lot of usefull information here and wa wondering if you guys can lend you expertise? i curently have a hobart 210 mvp, here a link with the details and specs  http://www.hobartwelders.com/product...ed/handler210/ and am currently in the market for a generator. currently i can only use a 115v 30amp outlet in the back yard but i cant do any thing to thick with that and need to find a way to use the 230v portion of my welder. currently i know nothing about welders run by generators like how much power i need or what amps would be best so i was hoping some one here could point me in the right direction for a good generator (preferably one that will be able to handle my current machine and/or a arc welder in the near future) i cant break the bank tho so it needs to bee under $800 any help would be appreciated!
Reply:One thing, you won't find a generator with a 220v  50a outlet. The best you will find is a 4pin 220v  30a outlet. 30amps really should be fine for the Hobart. You "will" need to make your own conversion connector, which should be a 220v 30a male plug with short length of 10/3 gauge wire with a 220v 50a  female outlet. This is what mine looks like. Attached ImagesEverlast  i210 with 200a spool gunEverlast i140eLOTOS LTP5000D Non-Touch Pilot Arc "Things are never so bad that they can't get worse...."
Reply:Originally Posted by fpsOne thing, you won't find a generator with a 220v  50a outlet.
Reply:Originally Posted by xryanNo, there are quite a few generators "only" that will have a 220v 50a plug, although it will be a 4 prong Full KVA 230 Volt NEMA 6.50P not the standard NEMA 14-50R 3 prong plug on your Hobart."Coincidentally" many generators that have a full KVA plug are also welders so you uaually wouldn't nees the Hobart plugged into it. Usually a plasma, maybe an AC TIG inverter, etc.However I think you're making things way more complicated than you need. Just run a 220 line to the back of the house. Or juat makeup an extension cord and plug in to your electric dryer or atove if you have one. It's going to be a LOT cheaper and a LOT quieter than running off a generator.
Reply:Ahh, yes,  in that case not gonna happen. Still though,  he could  probably get setup a good way from the house for $100-200Sent from my SCH-I605 using TapatalkRyanMiller Multimatic 200 tig/spool gun/wireless remoteMillermatic 350P, Bernard/XR Python gunsMiller Dynasty 350, Coolmate 3.5 & wireless remoteCK WF1 TIG wire feederMiller Spectrum 375 XtremeOptrel e684Miller Digital EliteMiller Weld-Mask
Reply:There seems to be quite a number of middle of the road gen sets out there in the 6500 to 7500 run watts group in the $800.00 to $1,000.00 range."The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life." -Theodore Roosevelt
Reply:well, if you staying in your back yard, deffinately study this post.   read the whole thread.    http://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php...overlooked+220
Reply:My $900 troybuilt 7kw can barely run my plasma cutter at full power (air has to be provided by another source not powered by the generator).It can run my 240v stick welder at about half power.So no you are not going to find a generator for 800 or less that can run that Hobart machine at full power or run a decent stick welder at full power.old Miller spectrum 625 Lincoln SP-135 T, CO2+0.025 wireMiller model 250 and WP-18V torchCraftsman 100amp AC/DC and WP-17V torchCentury 115-004 HF arc stabilizerHome made 4 transformer spot welderHome made alternator welder
Reply:thanks for the help we were  thinking of getting a 230v outlet installed but wasnt sure if it was cheaper then getting a generator. I work out of my garage but use an extension cord from the back yard (its the closest outlet with a 30 amp breaker) it will be real nice to be able to weld at full power
Reply:That machine will draw roughly 30 amps at full power on 230v power. A 7KW genny probably isn't going to cut it at max output but would get you well into the 1/4" range. On paper 7K looks like enough, but with the fact most generators are rated at surge wattage, not continuous wattage, inefficiencies in the system etc you need a bigger machine.Finding a decent 7KW or larger genny in your price range is going to be the issue. CL is always a possibility. After Hurricane Sandy went thru a lot of people around here bought generators when the power was off. About 6 months later those gennys started to pop up on CL for sale. Some of those units went dirt cheap. It's hit or miss though. Usually it's after a good size storm that knocks out power that I see returned generators at places like Lowes/Depot or on CL. Seems people can't be without their electronics for a day or two, but forget about that almost as soon as it's over and they dump the generator.CL around me also often has a number of older gas powered stick machines listed for sale. They would be fine for heavy material. To keep prices down though you'll be looking at a machine that probably needs some TLC, or has a lot of hours on the clock. For a handy hobbyist this may not be a big deal..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:My genny is 7500 run and I think it's like 12k peak. Odd combo. It runs my PM215 fine, but you're not going to run much of a wire wound stick machine with it. Because of the PFC the plasma keeps the generator running with its tongue hanging out full time .. That doesn't bother me a lot. Other than fuel costs there's nothing wrong with a gen set running under a heavy load. Maybe on one of our our 110 degree days that would be a bad thing ."The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life." -Theodore Roosevelt
Reply:Originally Posted by mad welder 4My $900 troybuilt 7kw can barely run my plasma cutter at full power (air has to be provided by another source not powered by the generator).It can run my 240v stick welder at about half power.So no you are not going to find a generator for 800 or less that can run that Hobart machine at full power or run a decent stick welder at full power.
Reply:Also most of the consumer generators are rated in surge, and running watts.Surge is referring to the fraction of a second startup of an electric motor. You cant actually use surge watts for more than a second or 2.Running watts are how much load the generator can hold for a few minutes.They are actually rated to run non stop at half load.My 30 amp generator was all wired up with 12 gauge wire, so it was really only made to ever run at 20 to 25 amps for more than 20 minutes. Originally Posted by OscarI think we have the same generator, is it from Lowes? The one that has the 20ft digital display with four 20A 120V outlets?
Reply:here is the power rating on this unit. Amps Input at Rated Load, 60 Hz 230 V 24                                                  kVA 5.4                         kW 4.6    There rating in red is the kw for this unit so it should be able to be run off a running 5000 watt generator with no problems those usually will have a 6500 watt surge to them. When the power fails around here I run most of my house off a 5500 watt running generator with no problems. Now this does not include stoves, hot water heater, or welding equipment. but does include frig, water pump, freezer,the rest of the house with electronics and lights.So I do not understand you guys on what you thinking of when you say you need so much more power to run your house and or equipment. most generators are designed to be run at 75% to 90% of running ratings. What a lot of people see is running time of **  at 50% of rated watts verse  best performance of said generator.With that being said here is the one thing you have to look at when buying a generator is the running watts not what is the max it can do. Advertising is usually the max rating. So do not be fooled with what you see on the numbers displayed. READ the fine print on the ratings ( running verse MAX).Last edited by tinker001; 04-16-2016 at 10:31 PM.Klutch 220si mig , stick, and dc tigHobart 140 AHP ALPHA 200X 2016Lotos LTP5000DSmith O/P
Reply:Originally Posted by mad welder 4Also most of the consumer generators are rated in surge, and running watts.Surge is referring to the fraction of a second startup of an electric motor. You cant actually use surge watts for more than a second or 2.Running watts are how much load the generator can hold for a few minutes.They are actually rated to run non stop at half load.My 30 amp generator was all wired up with 12 gauge wire, so it was really only made to ever run at 20 to 25 amps for more than 20 minutes.That is what it had originally. I bought mine for $100 from the lowes warrantee turn in crap pile, brushes were warn out. I modified mine heavily after I bought it.One of the modifications I did was rip out the 12ga wire and replace it with 10 gauge.I normally work on 3 phase 400hz air craft power generators so I was up to the non-challenge of repairing this non functional generator.
Reply:Originally Posted by Oscarwas this from the generator head to the back of the large black panel, where the other removable panel latches into?  Or you mean the 20ft length from the main panel to the detachable display/120V outlet?
Reply:http://www.championpowerequipment.co...#product-specs I have this unit and it has a 50amp plug, it runs the Tweco 211i and my plasma with no problems. Not the best but works well.Thermal Arc 210 - Tweco 211I - Cutmaster 52