In order to help others avoid being taken in by the deceptive employment practices of this company I wish others in the welding community to be aware of the following.This company has been advertising around the country on the internet for "Welding Foreman" for some time. Having just completed 1 year and 2 days employment with this company I can assure you that the position of "Welding Foreman" (or for that matter a position called "Welding Group Leader") does not currently (nor ever has) actually existed at this place. It is simply a scam to hire people to fill low paying welders positions by giving them the false impression that the opportunity for advancement (and higher wages) exists at this company.
Reply:Heard that they are another casualty of the oil bust....Closing up in Montana.....shame
Reply:thats a shame. i don't like to hear about things like that. why don't you give me there main phone number, and a few more details to get hem on, and i'll call andf give them a earfull. why i just recently did the same thing w/ burger boys, they were open on Christmas, and it pissed me off. i called the headquarteers up and threateneded to send my orchards pruners over w./ picket signs when i had a chance. believe it or not, they tried to offer coupons to change my mind
Reply:Originally Posted by SmoothOperatorHeard that they are another casualty of the oil bust....Closing up in Montana.....shame
Reply:Originally Posted by HT2-4956Actually that's not true. They've got lots of work currently and several more big contracts coming. Now whether or not they're going to be able to do all that work and make enough of a profit at it to keep the doors open is, well, IMO not a good bet at this point. As part of the run up to the recent vote on the shop joining the Ironworkers Union we had the Chairman and CEO of ADF Group Canada (of which this place is just the US subsidiary) James Paschini come and speak to us. One of the things he told us was that this place not only didn't make a profit in 2015 but actually lost $400K. And personally from my experience at having worked there all during 2015 and seeing how things got done I'd have to think it must have been way more than that.
Reply:Originally Posted by HT2-4956One of the things he told us was that this place not only didn't make a profit in 2015 but actually lost $400K.
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonDo you think it is mismanagement rather than extraordinary labor costs. Or could it be management is pilfering the coffers?
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Reply:Originally Posted by 123weldthats a shame. i don't like to hear about things like that. why don't you give me there main phone number, and a few more details to get hem on, and i'll call andf give them a earfull. why i just recently did the same thing w/ burger boys, they were open on Christmas, and it pissed me off. i called the headquarteers up and threateneded to send my orchards pruners over w./ picket signs when i had a chance. believe it or not, they tried to offer coupons to change my mind
Reply:Originally Posted by HT2-4956In order to help others avoid being taken in by the deceptive employment practices of this company I wish others in the welding community to be aware of the following.This company has been advertising around the country on the internet for "Welding Foreman" for some time. Having just completed 1 year and 2 days employment with this company I can assure you that the position of "Welding Foreman" (or for that matter a position called "Welding Group Leader") does not currently (nor ever has) actually existed at this place. It is simply a scam to hire people to fill low paying welders positions by giving them the false impression that the opportunity for advancement (and higher wages) exists at this company.
Reply:Originally Posted by roadkillbobbdoes "welding foreman" fall into the management category? and does management become union.....I know the utilities in my area, the workers are union, management is not ..so if you have a workforce of management, you can side track how many union employees you have, if it works the same in the welding industry..
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55$400K annual loss for a company that size is a minor hiccup.
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ave, up until the election had the company been proactive about keeping the union out? I've been in a couple places where they would have likely closed the doors before allowing a union into their shop.Just wondered. At this point, they really can't do anything either wayExpert Garage Hack....https://www.facebook.com/steven.webber.948
Reply:I ask one of the owners of the company I worked for if they ever considered going non union. His reply was, "we cant get enough qualified union help, how could we hire off the street"?Dont pay any attention to meIm just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749Dave, up until the election had the company been proactive about keeping the union out? I've been in a couple places where they would have likely closed the doors before allowing a union into their shop.Just wondered. At this point, they really can't do anything either way
Reply:If management and the worker bees could ever get along, there would be no need for unions. When I went into management, on the big jobs the company would hire a kid right out of college, (engineering degree) to do my paper work while I was in the field. Sooner or later they would ask me what college I went to. I would reply, college? Oh yeah I drove by one once. When they found out how much I was being paid, majority of them had a bad attitude towards me!Dont pay any attention to meIm just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Yeah, the ppl involved in trying to get a union in a place usually keep it real low key, and only start advertising once the plan is rolled out and the organizers think they might have enough interest to force a vote. When my friend was trying to get the machinists union into Dart, they (management) were discreetly pulling ppl off the floor and questioning them as to what they knew about it and who was behind it. He was talking to ppl and trying to gauge support before anything went public. They even talked to him, but he just denied everything. It was kind of an unsaid thing, but management REALLY frowned on any type of organization on the part of the employees and in an indirect way, made it very clear it wasn't happening.Every place is different. I've personally known some guys who worked in shops where if you even wore any type of clothing with union insignia on it, or carried a lunch box with union stickers, you would get sweat bad about it. Guess that's where I'm coming from in asking if they were really going out of their way to express displeasure in any efforts involving employee organization.Last edited by 7A749; 01-21-2016 at 07:57 AM.Expert Garage Hack....https://www.facebook.com/steven.webber.948
