Would OSHA have a problem with this work crew today???

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Totally unsafe!!!! These guys are NOT  wearing their issued hard hats on the job!!!!!!!!! Attached ImagesLincoln Power Mig 216Lincoln AC/DC-225/125Miller  625 X-Treme PlasmaMiller 211 Forney 95FI-A 301HF 91110Victor Journeyman O/PMilwaukee DaytonMakita  Baileigh NRA Life Member
Reply:I thought of this picture before I even clicked in the thread.
Reply:Thank you for posting this picture on the forum. This picture is so famous been trying to find it for years and now it is on my computer goina set as desktop.
Reply:Originally Posted by Cat220Thank you for posting this picture on the forum. This picture is so famous been trying to find it for years and now it is on my computer goina set as desktop.
Reply:Smoking on the job. Oh my!!!!!
Reply:That's a Doubie that they're lighting up.... the two guys on the left.
Reply:Well, I guess time hasn't changed that much then
Reply:wow.thats dangerous.that was back in the day.Welding is the best trade ever.
Reply:I've seen that one before and always wondered if it is real. I mean, ALL those other buildings down below, are not small. The building they are on would have to be three Sears Towers high. Or am I missing something? Actually, it looks like a paper background, like it was an ad for something."Where's Stick man????????" - 7A749"SHHHHHH!! I sent him over to snag that MIC-4 while tbone wasn't looking!" - duaneb55"I have bought a few of Tbone's things unlike Stick-Man who helps himself" - TozziWelding"Stick-man"
Reply:Originally Posted by SuperArcTotally unsafe!!!! These guys are NOT  wearing their issued hard hats on the job!!!!!!!!!
Reply:Originally Posted by Fat BastardOther than Hard hats (not required on break time) Sub Part R allows ironworkers to work with out being tied off.
Reply:I believe it was the Empire State building in New York City.And no they didn't tie off back then.
Reply:Ironworkers that are connectors do not have to tie off.
Reply:Originally Posted by drujininI believe it was the Empire State building in New York City.And no they didn't tie off back then.
Reply:Back in the day when men and buildings were made of the same material........Contrary to popular opinion, I do NOT have a pet turkey that craps molten steel.  It's a goose.
Reply:Originally Posted by Fitter638nycIronworkers that are connectors do not have to tie off.
Reply:That picture give me the chills. I don't know if you have seen this one, but they do not pay this gentleman enough money in my book.No fear.[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a411J1PoD5g&feature=related[/ame]YakdungLast edited by yakdung; 12-19-2011 at 06:05 PM.
Reply:Originally Posted by Broccoli1Goggle Images has tagged just about every picture on the Internet- not joking- they made a game out of it and turned it loose on the Web.This allows you to search Goggle Images with a phrase that applies to the image"ironworkers on beam"and....http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isc...1626l0.7.2l9l0
Reply:Originally Posted by yakdungThat picture give me the chills. I don't know if you have seen this one, but they do not pay this gentleman enough money in my book.No fear.Yakdung
Reply:You have to give it to the guy holding the ladder, he is stout. You have to give more to the guy on the ladder for trusting the guy holding it.
Reply:i agree, i don't think i would want to find the guy holding the ladder in a dark alley.    and i don't think the guy standing on it has enough brains to die.I don't mind the high iron,   don't think im near fit enough to try climbing towers these days, but it wouldn't bother me much. The way i look at it anything over 30' is enough to kill you without a doubt.    a fall from anything over that is just a ride before the bitter end.Last edited by Dualie; 12-20-2011 at 01:27 AM.Vantage 500's LN-25's, VI-400's, cobramatics, Miller migs, synch 350 LX, Powcon inverters, XMT's, 250 Ton Acurrpress 12' brake, 1/4" 10' Atlantic shear,Koikie plasma table W/ esab plasmas. marvel & hyd-mech saws, pirrana & metal muncher punches.
Reply:Originally Posted by yakdungThat picture give me the chills. I don't know if you have seen this one, but they do not pay this gentleman enough money in my book.No fear.Yakdung
Reply:Thats an empty hooch bottle the guy on the right has, guess things havent changed too much
Reply:Osha didnt see this one but the jack@$$ was hiding in the trees the next day and hit me with a $3,200.00 fine for not being tied off in a lift while driving it through the parking lot of the job.  Attached Images
Reply:been there done that got the T shirt.   I got a fine for no harness in a lift driving off the trailer, illegible tag on a ladder, and knicks in the handle of a sledgehammer.Vantage 500's LN-25's, VI-400's, cobramatics, Miller migs, synch 350 LX, Powcon inverters, XMT's, 250 Ton Acurrpress 12' brake, 1/4" 10' Atlantic shear,Koikie plasma table W/ esab plasmas. marvel & hyd-mech saws, pirrana & metal muncher punches.Originally Posted by rlitmanThat would be Rockefeller Center.One of my favorite pictures from the same genre, was from the construction of the Waldorf Astoria.
Reply:SuperarcThat picture makes me nervous just looking at it. I can not image doing that even in really, really deperate times. My grandpa did that kind of work and loved it, said he never gave a thought to being scared.Dave ReberWadsworth Ohio
Reply:Originally Posted by Fat BastardGood correction.
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Reply:Originally Posted by tenpinsSub part R allows those involved in steel erection - ironworkers- to be 15 feet above the surface, OR within 6 feet of an open edge and not be tied off. Connectors can be 30 feet above the surface. If anyone is unclear, that means yes I can connect on the 20th floor of a building(given Im more than 6 feet from an edge of the structure) *IF* the 18th floor has been decked. Assuming 12 foot elevation gain from TOS to TOS.I know for a fact that this is real, because Im in the trade. The rules have changed, but my dad who started ironworking 45 years ago has a ton of pictures of him in very similar positions. Before the OSHA rules came in, mostly the bolt up hands would tie off...with hemp rope. "One or two?" they would get asked. This was after you threw the end of the rope to another guy to tie off to the iron. He was asking how many half hitches you wanted. "real me" only used one.Ironworking is not "construction" per se. If you've never been an ironworker, there is little you can understand about how this work is. Its can be crazy dangerous.
Reply:Originally Posted by Somthingoriginal+1Ironworking is a whole different ball game. A lot of contractors won't let connectors work with out being tied off despite sub part R. They think they're being safer but in reality jacking around with fall protection can cause accidents. Also anyone stuck hanging from a harness for more then 5-8 min is gonna pass out and 10+ min is gonna die due to the circulation being cut off from the femoral artery. Sub Part R is there because some times it's better to hit the ground than be stuck where no one can get to you.
Reply:Originally Posted by Somthingoriginal+1Ironworking is a whole different ball game. A lot of contractors won't let connectors work with out being tied off despite sub part R. They think they're being safer but in reality jacking around with fall protection can cause accidents. Also anyone stuck hanging from a harness for more then 5-8 min is gonna pass out and 10+ min is gonna die due to the circulation being cut off from the femoral artery. Sub Part R is there because some times it's better to hit the ground than be stuck where no one can get to you.
Reply:Originally Posted by DualieAgreed completely!  the worst wreck i ever had up on the iron is because my harness got caught up as i was transferring from one beam to another.    got dog leashed 25 feet off the deck before i could get my footing on the next beam.     100% tie off that slapped me into the column pretty hard.   No broken bones but it was a whiskey night, and i was pretty beat up the next morning.Thankfully the crane operator saw it happen and swung over and put the the hook where i could pull myself back up on the beam.I have NO DOUBT IN MY MIND that if i had not been screwing with that harness at all, i would have been completely find on my own.All of that safety stuff is dangerous sometimes.
Reply:Originally Posted by SuperArcTotally unsafe!!!! These guys are NOT  wearing their issued hard hats on the job!!!!!!!!!
Reply:Originally Posted by yakdungThat picture give me the chills. I don't know if you have seen this one, but they do not pay this gentleman enough money in my book.No fear.Yakdung
Reply:I am not squeamish by any stretch, but that tower video had me gripping my chair, with no hands!
Reply:You guys aren't serious are you!? I say the first pic in the thread is not legit. Look close at the 2nd, 4th and 5th guys from the left. Look at the feet position and the leaning forward position. They are sitting on a beam on the ground or floor and resting their feet on whatever was digitally cut out of the original pic. Try sitting in that position on something that narrow with your feet dangling like that.Perspective is also too high. Compare to the pic with the waiters in it.The guys are having lunch/break on a beam on ground level and that is Photoshopped over a pic taken from an Airplane.I think they were very brave men back then (and now) and dangled from many a beam at altitude, but the first pic defies gravity in the wrong kind of way. It is entertaining to look at though.As for the guy holding the ladder....I don't know...maybe real, maybe not. Good fun either way.
Reply:That first picture is a very famous image from the 30's and entirely real.  Charles Ebbets was the photographer and famous for several images like this.  No photoshopping, no trick photography and those guys were at altitude.  Do a Google search on him and you'll see some other amazing images.
Reply:I used to work on windmills and towers for a living for over 25 years.  That tower video made my bladder ache just watching.
Reply:Originally Posted by Stick-manI've seen that one before and always wondered if it is real. I mean, ALL those other buildings down below, are not small. The building they are on would have to be three Sears Towers high. Or am I missing something? Actually, it looks like a paper background, like it was an ad for something.
Reply:Originally Posted by FabCrazyGuyBottom line is..the big man was always trying to find ways to make his insurance and workmens comp bills cheaper
Reply:Originally Posted by BlueArcBingo.I've only been in the business 2 years, and I've already had a few close calls due to getting snagged on safety equipment.Another thing that bothers me is this: a traditional toolbelt has the quick release buckle. If I'm correct this is because a number of bridgemen were killed when the beam they were tied off  to collapsed. Now with a harness, there are 3 buckles to fidget with in case of emergency. "Safety"
Reply:Originally Posted by FabCrazyGuyBottom line is..the big man was always trying to find ways to make his insurance and workmens comp bills cheaper and pushed OSHA to find ways to make the jobs 100% safe..
Reply:Originally Posted by BradTNThe guys are having lunch/break on a beam on ground level and that is Photoshopped over a pic taken from an Airplane.
Reply:Originally Posted by tenpinsNone of that has anything to do with OSHA. Re-read Subpart R. It's pretty damn lax. The true culprit is the insurance companies. Six foot tie off with a 6 foot lanyard?! does that even make sense?One of the major roots of the problem is non ironworkers trying to wrap their heads around the trade. We're the only trade who rolls with full time Personal Fall Arrest Systems. Everyone else gets fall prevention. be safe out there
Reply:Originally Posted by tenpins*Bridgemen*. So they could cut loose and swim away. Been working on bridges? Do you know there is no requirement, from OSHA, to be tied off in a situation where you will fall into water?
Reply:Originally Posted by yakdungThat picture give me the chills. I don't know if you have seen this one, but they do not pay this gentleman enough money in my book.No fear.Yakdung
Reply:Originally Posted by BlueArcI didn't know that, I don't work on bridges. What I can tell you for sure is that a contractor only has to meet OSHA regulations, if they want to exceed them, that's their thing.
Reply:Originally Posted by FabCrazyGuythey had Yo Yo's on top of every column stood up,and thats where you tied off from,plus you had to carry around a few Beamers for when was on the top of the iron connecting because you are considered above the tie off point on the retractables.....just a fine example of safety personell who know dick about what's actualy going on..........
Reply:recently dug up pic of the old man....30 years ago. Be careful out there. Attached ImagesWeldanpower 225 G7Ironworkers Local #24