Everlast vs.Hypertherm quizz

Tue, 31 Aug 2021 09:40:14 GMT

go to see Welding Machine for Everlast vs.Hypertherm quizz

I couldn't wait for the dinse connector to show up so I put the Plasma torch back together and made some cuts in 1/4" and 3/16"Some cuts are done by my friend Murray with his Hypertherm 30, some are done by me with an Everlast Power Ultra 205 multi-function machine. Neither Murray nor I can be considered  expert at using a plasma cutter, however Murray has had his Hypertherm for about a year and has done a fair bit of light gauge cutting with it. I have had the Everlast about three weeks and have spent most of that time TIG welding with it. Prior to that I had never used a plasma cutter.  I did try the plasma function on the first day to make sure it worked and to see what it was all about. I was amazed at how good the cuts were right off even though I obviously need to develop more some skill at moving the torch along smoothly.I'll let others figure out which cuts were made by which machine. Attached Images
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Reply:I asked for them so here it goes.In the second post i would say the first cut is Hypertherm and the second Everlast.Second pic seems to have less tailing in the cut which should be a sign of a higher powred machine.  The first cut/pic seems to have a little more tailing ( geting closer to its cut rating ).Might have been easier if you grouped the pics, one machine vs other.i could be wrong about my guess, but that second pic could be real smooth with a little more gun time. Last edited by LarryO; 05-08-2010 at 04:29 AM.
Reply:'hi LarryI purposely mixed them up to see if anyone could honestly pick out higher quality cuts done by the Hypertherm. I'll see if anyone else would like to take a crack at it,so for now I'll just say that you are incorrect
Reply:I should add that dross has been removed from all the cuts except in the first photo in the first post.Last edited by worntorn; 05-08-2010 at 10:06 AM.
Reply:Thanks for the comparison.  I would think it would be good to post a few photos with dross attached.  And the guys should remember that this is the "combination" unit that has often been questioned as to its cutting performance.I would post the amps and air pressure at which you cut the plates (at least for the Everlast.)Drag lines or tailing lines can be made to look more pronounced by adjusting amps, air pressure and even cutting speed.Anyway,I'll make my guess.1 and 2 Hyper therm3,4,5 Everlast6 Hypertherm7 EverlastThe rest: unable to tell from that distance.Last edited by lugweld; 05-08-2010 at 12:16 PM.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:Totally useless post if you don't show the dross. What are you trying to prove?
Reply:There is no way to determine if the cut variance is the unit or the operator.  Set them up on a track torch and run the test.  Run the test through a variety of thicknesses and speed settings.  You then begin to separate the men from the boys.Now a fair test is to set both machines in a shop environment.  Run them over a year with heavy use.  Then compare.  I would dare say Hypertherm will look and perform like new.  Give it a five year test.  My guess is the everlast machine will 86'd in short order.Last edited by Scott Young; 05-08-2010 at 01:03 PM.
Reply:I didn't post the photos with the dross attached as I thought it might give away which was the Everlast cut. As we were discussing in the other thread, the Everlast cut does have more dross.This is likely due to the fact that the Hypertherm has a 30 amp plasma torch and the Everlast has a 50 amp (or is it 60?) torch. I've been told that the heavier duty the torch, the thicker the plasma stream. A thicker plasma stream means a thicker kerf , so more dross.There's a theory anyway.Lugweld, you are also incorrect with your picks, however you are partially right.The Everlast 1/4" cuts are the two in the first post with the blue clamp laying on top. All the other cuts in 1/4" are Hypertherm.The cuts in the 3/16" are all Everlast.Here are the photos with dross attached, the first is the Everlast, second is the Hypertherm and third shows both with the plate flipped over. The Hypertherm is the short cut across the end. You can clearly see the greater volume of dross with the Everlast.I think these photos demonstrate what I've been saying, that the Everlast is capable of cuts that are as smooth as the Hypertherm. Said it before, but here it is again, this is an inexpensive multifunction machine up against probably the top name expensive dedicated Plasma cutter. On top of the that Hypertherm is all done at 1/2" (severance) whereas the Everlast will do 1 1/8" severance in a pinch.Of course Hypertherm has machines that will do this too, but the price gets even higher. Attached Images
Reply:1/4" plate cut at 25 amps, 65 psi.(Everlast)  3/16'" plate cut at 20 amps 65 psi.(Everlast)both of these settings might be a touch too hot, need to do some more experimenting.Not sure what settings Murray uses, I think he goes by the Hypertherm manual.
Reply:Hadn't noticed 2 rods kinda rude post.What am I trying to prove?I made the statement that the cuts I had made on this new Everlast multifunction rig were as smooth as those made by my friend's Hypertherm. LarryO questioned that, so I offered to do a comparison. I agree the best way to do a real machine to machine comparison is by taking the human out of it as Jody Collier did with his test of an Everlast 250EX using a welding lathe and fixed tig torch. Actually he didn't do a comparison of machines, he just showed the welds and let that speak for itself.I don't have the setup for that.This is a real world comparison of the cut quality of these two machines as being used by the two owners. Murray has a bit of an edge over me in that he has a year of experience using his rig, I have very little experience   with mine.For Murray and me, two average users of this type of equipment, there isn't a whole lot of difference in cut quality between the machines. For me, the amount of dross is not relevant, it came off with a flick on all cuts, Everlast or Hypertherm.The time to remove the dross is the same for both machines. The dross comes off cleanly with both machines. So who cares about the dross? I don't!As far as which machine will still be working perfectly one year or ten years from now, I have no way of knowing the answer to that, nor do you.Hypertherm is obviously a good machine, but they are not perfection either. Just go to the Hypertherm site right now you will see these threads;"Repairing a Powermax 1100""owermax 600 issue""Max 40 down""owermax 380 leaking torch""Hypertherm 1000 repair"and so onMy point is that the asuumption that the made in US one will never break is bogus, clearly they all give a little trouble from time to time.Time will tell whether these units are more troublesome than the more expensive brands or not.There is always someon who will inform you with absolute certainty that the unit you have is garbage and won't last till next week. Then you realize that the same person making the claim has never even used this unit much less owned one. Why?, because they hate where they are made!
Reply:I think that most people here miss the point of a combination unit.  Its not to necessarily to make the thickest cut or the cleanest.   Its point is to be able to make a decent cut, and a quality weld.  They are not intended for use on CNC machines or for dedicated track cutting.  But rather they are portable, go anywhere devices that save space and cost and serve as a competent unit for both repair and light fabrication. Some people will find many points to counter on I am sure.  However, the customers that buy the multi purpose units are not going to demand the absolute max performance that you'd find in dedicated brands.  However, I think a simple comparison as WornTorn has done does give a good idea the the Everlast unit holds up to the claims...regardless of the lack of a truly scientific comparison against Hypertherm..  The quality of the cut speaks for itself without comparison, for the people who know plasma cutting even without a "control" or equal unit to compare to.   The claims have been that the Everlast couldn't make a quality cut or that it was somehow a " parlor trick" to offer the combination units that could do both.   The cutting aspect is proven here.  The cuts were done with minimal amps and not a "wide" open setting as well.   We have the very first IGBT units combination units out there now for well over a year.   In many cases in an industrial setting, so though the next year, the next, the next etc has yet to be proven.  But as best as we can tell there is no indication of any problems.  As a bonus these units are all backed by their 5 year warranty.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:yup looks like it does cut just more dross and more consumables from what I hear...my PM 30 still cuts fine with the original electrode and nozzle...Hope I don't get flamed or punished for this but I can still read all  you guys stuff like I have for years before I sighned up or create another account so be it that's my RIGHT AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH TO be able to express myself   YOU ASKED FOR IT SO THAT'S MY COMPARISON Last edited by Rojodiablo; 05-09-2010 at 12:37 PM.Reason: Just for the threat of worming and signing back on you bought yourself a trip to see an AMERICAN Ban Hammer at work.Lincoln 225 Tombstone,Miller Big 20,Hobart 180,150' Argon,A/D hobart hood 22 Ton Log splitter,79 F350 dump eats 4.75 TONS and still turns cutters,grinders,And a  Hypertherm POWERMAX 30
Reply:I'm a Canuck, we sell some things to other countries and we buy some things from other countries.  It's called trade and it has been working well for us for some time.As far as shutting your borders and creating an Island called the US of A, don't think that works very well for anyone.I know that Obama got the whole "Buy America" thing going and it is one of those hot button  issues that gets people very worked up. Judging by all of your capital letters you are one of those that is wound up on the issue.As with any issue like this, there is always a sizable component of misinformation and irony involved , like the hatred for Toyota. Correct me if I'm wrong ,but I think you will find that, other than Mazda, which has strong connections with Ford of  USA,  all North American sold  "Japanese" cars are made in North America by North Americans. A lot of Chinese products may have a labour component of ten or 12 percent that is actually Chinese, the rest comes in the form of imported components from all over the world.I believe these Everlast welders have a cooling system from Germany and other components from various countries.Some US products that have flag decals stuck all over them are merely partially assembled in the US, the parts come in from elsewhere.Made in  ....... (fill in name of Country) does not mean much anymore.  It isn't like it was fifty years ago where one country would generally make all of the components that went into a product and then assemble it. Now components come from all over the world, so the "Made in" sticker has very little relevance.
Reply:I see that you have a Hobart A/D hood...Chinese or KoreaParts Washer.....probably chineseLog Splitter....chinese or chinese parts.And many Lincoln products are imported...Grinders????Oh and lol...your computer:  China.It IS a free country and PART of freedom is buying what you want WHERE you want.  If the flag waving must go on, then, you cannot say buy American only, because that is not freedom, rather its Fascism.  And the very "freedom of speech" and sense of American spirit you'd desire here on the board would squelch the existence of these sub forums for imported products? Such hypocrisy.Your kids job security is going to be secured the same way it always has:  Getting their fat butts up from in front of the Video game and getting a job and working hard and competing in an international market...if you can't compete on the wages, then get creative like the US has always prided itself in.   A little prosperity has made us lazy, self indulgent, and self deserving, relying on the work of our fathers to coast us through...Now we say we can't compete because the world market isn't fair...When have we ever let an excuse like that affect us? We have always had a cheaper market to contend with...it always made us more productive and more creative.  Somehow, people think we can't do it any longer because of some competition? Competition is good for quality, productivity and price.But all this is off topic from the comparison of course...I hope it gets back to the discussion.  I find it funny people want comparisons hoping to "prove" their point by seeing a imported unit NOT perform according to the companies....Then when it does what it should, they get mad and want to derail the thread into another argument...or saying something isn't done right.  When that is answered another issue is brought up. It just goes to expose the inner prejudice here on the board.Worn Torn,  the Everlast products have products made in China, Germany, Japan, Thailand, and the U.S.   Possibly a few more places.Last edited by lugweld; 05-08-2010 at 09:48 PM.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:ya they had a Mazda plant south of Detroit that produced the pos Ford crossbred probe mistake on fords part I believe ..and Obama (spell ckeck don't recognize his name LOL) didn't do it ,I just have been this way forever sorry... but it is hard to find anything made here as corporate has to out source it to make millions instead of coin...and the perks the suits abuse here would cover the wage disputes soooo it's just a vicious circle... the foreign market has about busted the unions down here, as most  of  them build in the south and pay peanuts compared to the northern unions... now they are reducing their pay to cover all the bad business choices and defaulted loans oh and to compete with the cheap southern labor the  imports have going...about the only thing left made here is all the fine weld jobs these folks are doing for sure well I'll stop ranting now as It wont change the country or the world...Peace and good luck in your neck of the woods...Lincoln 225 Tombstone,Miller Big 20,Hobart 180,150' Argon,A/D hobart hood 22 Ton Log splitter,79 F350 dump eats 4.75 TONS and still turns cutters,grinders,And a  Hypertherm POWERMAX 30
Reply:tony,before you came along this thread was comparing the performance of two plasma cutters. you should have let it stay that way. be a man and delete the political boohoo. it really doesnt belong here.if anyone was unwilling to work, neither should that one eat - 2 Thessalonians 3:10
Reply:I wasn't intentionally addressing ANYONE"S kids but meant to use it as a collective example...I have no way of knowing your childrens weight or health condition.  I did not even directly address you by your name, intentionally but made a reply against what you  said.  But re reading my post, I can understand how it could be read that way.  My apologies.  If you reread it I was talking about it in the general sense with the use of "us" and " we" including myself in the same sense.   However, talk about southern justice and white slavery, etc is uncalled for.  You are the one that tried to blow up this thread and YOU are the one responsible for dragging your prejudice and politics into it and trying to destroy it.Last edited by lugweld; 05-09-2010 at 12:20 AM.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:man oh man, make a few cuts with some interesting machinery, take a few pictures and people get bent waaay out of shape .... maybe they were that way before.In any case judging by the posts and reposts, a few beers and a few more as the evening wore on got the capital letters going again bigtime!I'm back to TIG welding, I think the plasma cut  photos above and the explanations that go with them should provide some good info for anyone with an open mind.
Reply:Whatever lug ....this says nothing about your kids does it now "Your kids job security is going to be secured the same way it always has: Getting their fat butts up from in front of the Video game and getting a job and working hard and competing in an international market.."   and I don't drink!!! and am manning up was just my thoughts all the political crap goes with buying that stuff so there ya gothey both cut metal and perform and function differently cost and Quality differences are apparent and I do have an open mind open to support the LWS and local jobs not around the globe that's allI should of just shut up I know as I was in a bad mood this evening and expressed the  differences from my view and this has been beat to death on here and gets deleted or locked so I apologize for trashing your thread trying to compare to a top notch unit with a well you know what they are ...good evening to allLincoln 225 Tombstone,Miller Big 20,Hobart 180,150' Argon,A/D hobart hood 22 Ton Log splitter,79 F350 dump eats 4.75 TONS and still turns cutters,grinders,And a  Hypertherm POWERMAX 30
Reply:My kids don't have an ounce of fat on em and you are a low down dirty dog to bring my kids in this to flame them shows your mentality you @#$$%^^&%^(  YOU SOB come down to S/E OK and repeat that one bud and some southern justice will be implemented !!!!What are you talking about... Southern justice.. Last I checked Oklahoma was in the mid west, and you were born a damn yankee if you grew up in michigan... and Lugweld was right on point. He never said your name.     Now i live in the south, come down to the swamps of FL my yankee doodle dandy friend, and dont ever say something as stupid and racist as "Southern Justice" again.. How much justice was served to the people we stole from other countries to do our dirty work. So think before you speak.
Reply:hey worntorn,thanks for the good work. i agree a side by side CNC setup would have been even better but your comparison beats the usual verbal praising/slamming all day long if anyone was unwilling to work, neither should that one eat - 2 Thessalonians 3:10
Reply:Originally Posted by madkaw284My kids don't have an ounce of fat on em and you are a low down dirty dog to bring my kids in this to flame them shows your mentality you @#$$%^^&%^(  YOU SOB come down to S/E OK and repeat that one bud and some southern justice will be implemented !!!!What are you talking about... Southern justice.. Last I checked Oklahoma was in the mid west, and you were born a damn yankee if you grew up in michigan... and Lugweld was right on point. He never said your name.     Now i live in the south, come down to the swamps of FL my yankee doodle dandy friend, and dont ever say something as stupid and racist as "Southern Justice" again.. How much justice was served to the people we stole from other countries to do our dirty work. So think before you speak.
Reply:I was quoting and referring to Tony D.Originally Posted by madkaw284I was quoting and referring to Tony D.
Reply:I wouldn't worry about it.Other than the profoundly inarticulate and angry Tony D., (whom it appears managed to somehow get himself banned on a thread that deals with the highly controversial and emotionally charged subject of plasma cutting smoothness), I think we are all in what is known as violent agreement!
Reply:people like tonyd , 2rods and sundownlll are causing me to want one or maybe a couple of everlasts.......a little green color in my shop would'nt hurt.....-i can only find a few indescernable negs about the EL , that the price , performance , quality and features seem to buryLast edited by Rojodiablo; 05-11-2010 at 02:51 AM.Reason: The only shot at you are likely to get is with your paint gun.....        thermal arc 252i  -  millermatic 350P -   miller XMT, cp300ts, 30a 22a feeders, buttload of other millers, handfull of lincolns, couple of esabs  -   Hypertherm 1250 G3