Welder Brands Question

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We all know about the big brands: Miller, ESAB, Lincoln. Many hobbyists can’t afford the gold standards so they look at Harbor Feight. Now I see more YesWelder and PrimeWeld being thrown into the mix. I’m going to leave out the Amazon specials, since those change names so fast and aren’t really true contenders. My big questions is, are Yes & Prime better than Harbor Freight or just different? Aren’t almost all components technically Chineseum?Are warranties really that important? My LWS isn’t open on weekends when I might need something. But HF is. Yet, they don’t have parts, only consumables. So either way, I would probably have to take time off to fix a welder.Last edited by thebmrust; 04-07-2022 at 03:32 PM.
Reply:When you say repair a welder what kind of parts are you meaning?Gear: Esab power compact 205 with tbi industries torch         BOC Smootharc 185dc tig         Miller Syncrowave 350LX
Reply:I've had a Yeswelder 205DS for a couple years now. I love the thing.  I now run it off a 240V circuit, but got by just fine on a 120V/30A as well.Their customer service is......odd.  They do have a warehouse and contact in the USA.  I needed a new tension knob, it took a couple phone calls but I got it OK.The key I believe, is when you buy one, buy a warranty along with it.  I bought mine thru Amazon with the 3yr warranty.  Anything happens at all - they fix it or send you a full refund (most likely a refund).If your plans are to make a business with a welder - you might want to step up to the big three.  I'm a hobbyist/artist/tinkerer and rarely, if ever go past 3/8" thickness and it's been a champ.  Look up Mike Festiva on YouTube.  He's a straight shooter even though lately he's been a beta tester for Yeswelder on new models.  I think his reviews are thorough and unbiased.Yeswelder MIG-205DS(3) Angle Grinders at the ReadyJust a hobbyist trying to improve
Reply:Go here and check out some of BigTB1717's welder tests, and tear down videos. He has nothing nice to say about Yeswelders  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRg...OLXv-dVLCqqGjg  Not all Chinese welders are the same. Based on his videos, and the feedback from Shovelon (Terry), AvE (video below) and a few others, I would have no trouble trusting a HF welder, nor would I have any concerns over a Klutch unit, or even a Primeweld, based on the reports of wonderful customer service.Brands I won't touch with a ten foot pole: Yeswelder, Amico, Everlast, AHP, Amazon chinese flavor of the monthIts your money spend it where you like. But if you want my advice, that's it.()Miller Multimatic 255
Reply:I don't think all of those mentioned are the same.  The only one you're going to be able to pick up the phone and quickly talk to someone in this country who can help will be if you get a Primeweld.  If it's a HF about the best will be a replacement if the unit dies under warranty.Check out my bench vise website:  http://mivise.comMiller Syncrowave 250DXMillermatic 350P with XR AlumaProMiller Regency 200 with 22A feeder and Spoolmatic 3Hobart Champion EliteEverlast PowerTig 210EXT
Reply:The harbor freight welder warranty may come down to the store managers interpretation of how it works or how long.
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Originally Posted by M J D

The harbor freight welder warranty may come down to the store managers interpretation of how it works or how long.
Reply:Is Eastwood also considered the same level as HF welders, or the likes of Titanium and YesWelder brands?  I too am only a hobbyist.  I have a flux core only Titanium 125 currently.  I've been looking at the eastwood 180 with spool gun in case I ever want to try aluminum.  It's a ways away, but I like doing my research.
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Originally Posted by William Payne

When you say repair a welder what kind of parts are you meaning?
Reply:I've had good luck with Everlast & can recommend them. They have several great Facebook groups worth checking out. Supposedly in the next few months or so, they will be offering a 5 year warranty that includes shipping. So if you aren't in a hurry, it might be worth waiting a while to place an order. They do carry a parts inventory and are available over the phone for sales and support.Millermatic 255Dynasty 280 DXReady Welder IHypertherm 30XP
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Originally Posted by LittleTreeGuy

Is Eastwood also considered the same level as HF welders, or the likes of Titanium and YesWelder brands?  I too am only a hobbyist.  I have a flux core only Titanium 125 currently.  I've been looking at the eastwood 180 with spool gun in case I ever want to try aluminum.  It's a ways away, but I like doing my research.
Reply:Remember when Sears use to have their repair shops in every major town? The would also repair items they didn’t sell (at least ours did).One could probably be very successful if parts were available from all the different welders. But I’m sure some (Lincoln?) will only sell to weld shops to keep their brand loyalty high.But it’s possible that Harbor Freight, Everlast, and maybe YesWelder equipment quality will improve over time. Once HF has a regular 3 year warranty and better repair options, it could become a major player that may put Lincoln, ESAB, & Miller on their heels.Last edited by thebmrust; 04-08-2022 at 07:33 PM.
Reply:Buy a miller!  it cost more up front but they are very reliable and will rarely wear out!We've done so much, for so long, with so little. Were now qualified to do anything with nothing !
Reply:Harbor freight Chicago parts you can find on Amazon and Ebay.Most welders have same problems with parts. The name brands Hobart,  Lincoln and Miller have a good reliability and parts. But you pay for this and the name. If you good above price ($500.00) of the Chicago line you may want start looking at name brands. Dave

Originally Posted by thebmrust

We all know about the big brands: Miller, ESAB, Lincoln. Many hobbyists can’t afford the gold standards so they look at Harbor Feight. Now I see more YesWelder and PrimeWeld being thrown into the mix. I’m going to leave out the Amazon specials, since those change names so fast and aren’t really true contenders. My big questions is, are Yes & Prime better than Harbor Freight or just different? Aren’t almost all components technically Chineseum?Are warranties really that important? My LWS isn’t open on weekends when I might need something. But HF is. Yet, they don’t have parts, only consumables. So either way, I would probably have to take time off to fix a welder.
Reply:I have all miller, but over the last 5 years it seems that everlast has really grown quite a bit. A lot of people seem to have them, professionals included.
Reply:I had Miller for 30 years and Hobart for 40 years. They last for ever.In retirement I have a small Harbor Freight Chicago 170 Dave

Originally Posted by Country Metals

I have all miller, but over the last 5 years it seems that everlast has really grown quite a bit. A lot of people seem to have them, professionals included.
Reply:I have had all the name brands (Miller, Lincoln and Thermal Arc) and can't say anything bad about any of them.  I did buy a new Everlast a dozen years back but didn't like it. I was fortunate to recoup most of my purchase price a few months later as that particular model incurred a major price increase.  That being said I know several members have had good luck with them.  Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk:
Reply:I have nice welders, but I can't weld for flip anymore

  So, I might as well have an Everlast, for all the good any of them do me these days



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Originally Posted by farmersammm

I have nice welders, but I can't weld for flip anymore

  So, I might as well have an Everlast, for all the good any of them do me these days



Reply:I'd never buy an everlast.Not after they screwed so many of the early buyers - and used easily proved fake reviews.I have a long memory for that sort of thing...Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Don't throw all of China machines in with Everlast. I would not buy them either, but every last American made welder is mostly made up of China made electronics. Everyone's. Assembled in USA is as much as a scam as Everlast in a somewhat different way..Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyEsab CV353Thermal LM-200/ Lincoln feedersThermal 60i- 3phase Pak 50Thermal 35CThermal 15cINE 1500 Klutch 220iBlue Demon/140 msi/90sti
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Originally Posted by MinnesotaDave

I'd never buy an everlast.Not after they screwed so many of the early buyers - and used easily proved fake reviews.I have a long memory for that sort of thing...
Reply:Did you notice they only ask the question and has not posted since.Dave

Originally Posted by MinnesotaDave

I'd never buy an everlast.Not after they screwed so many of the early buyers - and used easily proved fake reviews.I have a long memory for that sort of thing...
Reply:Observation:It sounds like there are effectively three levels of welders:LOW: Random Amazon welders.MID: YesWelder, Everlast, Harbor Freight, etc.TOP: Miller, ESAB, LincolnImmediate parts:Depending on your town, the LWS may not be open on a weekend or evening. So parts are not available.The low range equipment, no one has parts or they aren’t available to anyone. Between the two, this is almost a wash.Support:Top level companies have very good support behind them. The mid level are mixed and low level don’t exist. This easily tips the sale for top level.Build Quality (reliability):Easily top level wins BUT… mid level has caught up considerably in recent years. Low level equipment can be bought multiple times vs top level one time (buy once cry once?). So instead of repair, replace.The issue is that only mid level equip can be bought off hours. Hit a HF or farm store for amid level equip.In a way, the mid level equip might just barely eek out the better value for the $$.
Reply:It sounds like there are effectively three levels of welders:LOW: Random Amazon welders.MID: YesWelder, Everlast, Harbor Freight, etc.TOP: Miller, ESAB, Lincoln

Originally Posted by thebmrust

The issue is that only mid level equip can be bought off hours. Hit a HF or farm store for amid level equip..
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Originally Posted by Lis2323

That isn't a valid buying concern. It's not like you wish to purchase a "high end" machine but pick up a "mid level " machine instead because you cant wait until Monday.
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Originally Posted by thebmrust

We can agree to disagree.
Reply:My first mig welder was a Century, I had it in a shop a few times which I had to foot the bill. I got rid of it after a few years. I currenty own 3 Hobart mig welders and have never had a problem with any of the three of them.