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I'm going to make this as simple as I can.Does anyone know of a way to test the contents of a jug of Argon to see if it is contaminated?
Reply:Not sure how to test? Pure argon? No leaks in lines or torch?
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Originally Posted by Weldordie
I'm going to make this as simple as I can.Does anyone know of a way to test the contents of a jug of Argon to see if it is contaminated?
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Originally Posted by tapwelder
Not sure how to test? Pure argon? No leaks in lines or torch?
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Originally Posted by Oldiron2
A good lab with equipment could test for all
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Originally Posted by Weldordie
Where would I find such lab?
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Originally Posted by Weldordie
Stubby bottle of what should be pure Argon for tig welding, but it's contaminated with something, as proven by welding with a substitute bottle, which yields beads, as expected. Beads produced from stubby bottle are junk, and when 4043 rod is introduced it just carbons up in a ridiculous glob.
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Originally Posted by Weldordie
Stubby bottle of what should be pure Argon for tig welding, but it's contaminated with something, as proven by welding with a substitute bottle, which yields beads, as expected. Beads produced from stubby bottle are junk, and when 4043 rod is introduced it just carbons up in a ridiculous glob.
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Originally Posted by StandarDyne
(Contamination happens, sometimes. Mislabeling, too.)
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Originally Posted by Munkul
That's a good enough test for me, assuming everything else is the same (regulator, welder, torch etc)
Reply:I had this happen recently and brought the bottle back to AirGas they exchanged it but i had to pay for the gas, they are sending back to be tested before issuing a refund or telling me i am crazy. In the I exchanged an old bottle with another gas company and moved on. I think your supplier will test it.
Reply:You get bad gas you should be returning it the moment you do a swap test and know it isn't right. If any length of time has passed you just swap it even if you have to pay for the gas again. Swap it out and let it go. Problem solved.You can't prove anything no matter what any test shows. You will waste more time and aggravation for jack.Last edited by danielplace; 1 Week Ago at 08:48 AM.
Reply:That's true but paying for the bad gas you didn't use sucks.
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Originally Posted by Weldordie
I don't care what the cost might be for a professional test... I'll recover the cost of the test from the settlement I get after suing the company for misrepresenting their product.
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Originally Posted by Weldordie
At this point I don't care what the cost might be for a professional test... I'll recover the cost of the test from the settlement I get after suing the company for misrepresenting their product. Nope, not Airgas.
Reply:Settlement?
jaysus h christ- just take it back to the supplier and ask for an exchange.I had it happen once- took it back, exchanged. Done.Finished project, drank a beer.Ed Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
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Originally Posted by Lis2323
Much as I understand your frustration I really cant get onboard with your misrepresentation concept. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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Originally Posted by Oldiron2
Without knowing the actual situation the OP is in, it is impossible to judge whether he's justified or not. In California, it would be considered misrepresentation if the seller refused to correct the problem and make amends for wasted time and energy and the added expense of another exchange. If it had been medical oxygen and someone had been injured or worse, the settlement would be huge. Yes, mistakes happen but a good shop would act reasonably after one.
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Originally Posted by StandarDyne
Good luck with that.
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Originally Posted by Lis2323
Agreed. But I look at this as my personal interpretation of the term and not the legal one. The OP can pursue whatever legal avenue he wishes. Just not my style. I prefer to put my efforts into more positive endeavours. If I met him in person I would probably tell him to “get a life”. However I would never do so online as that is just plain rude
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Originally Posted by Lis2323
Much as I understand your frustration I really can’t get onboard with your “misrepresentation” concept. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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Originally Posted by Weldordie
Stubby bottle of what should be pure Argon for tig welding, but it's contaminated with something, as proven by welding with a substitute bottle, which yields beads, as expected. Beads produced from stubby bottle are junk, and when 4043 rod is introduced it just carbons up in a ridiculous glob.
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Originally Posted by b2major9th
I have had exactly the same problem with a bottle of argon (125 cf from Airgas). Was welding fine with one bottle, changed it out for a new one when the original was empty, couldn't even form a bead using the new bottle. Not even on clean 6061. Even switched TIG machines. Same result. Tested for air leaks: none found. So you are not imagining things!
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Originally Posted by Lis2323
Agreed. But I look at this as my personal interpretation of the term and not the legal one. The OP can pursue whatever legal avenue he wishes. Just not my style. I prefer to put my efforts into more positive endeavours. If I met him in person I would probably tell him to “get a life”. However I would never do so online as that is just plain rude
Reply:Have you tried just taking it back to the shop where you got the bottle filled or swapped and talking the person? Explain what went wrong, how you swapped bottles and the problem went away. That leads you to believe there is bad gas. They may just swap the bottle and you will be on your way. A decent shop will do that.Sent from my SM-G996U using TapatalkMillermatic 252 MIGMiller Dynasty 200DX TIGMiller Spectrum 625 PlasmaAltas 12x36 Metal LatheBridgeport Milling Machinewww.psacustomcreations.com
Originally Posted by psacustomcreations
Have you tried just taking it back to the shop where you got the bottle filled or swapped and talking the person? Explain what went wrong, how you swapped bottles and the problem went away. That leads you to believe there is bad gas. They may just swap the bottle and you will be on your way. A decent shop will do that.Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk
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Originally Posted by Freebirdwelds
Something tells me it didn't go as planned. But tact is forgotten these days.Seems like a lot of aggravation to go through for a minnie bottle.
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Originally Posted by Freebirdwelds
Something tells me it didn't go as planned. But tact is forgotten these days.Seems like a lot of aggravation to go through for a minnie bottle.
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Originally Posted by psacustomcreations
I must have missed where he took it back and just tried to tall to them. Thats what I would have done before I started to think of a law suitSent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk
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Originally Posted by Oldiron2
From the OP's earlier comments, this may be a reoccurring problem, one the seller won't handle correctly or worse, and tact may no longer be of value.I do find it interesting when so many on the site give judgemental opinions about situations they have so few facts about. Yes,making big issues out of little mistakes can be time-wasting, painful and a futile effort, but pushing back against poor practices, bad attitudes and illegal actions can sometimes be both needed and in the long run, better for not just the OP but for other customers who have or would have gotten in similar positions.
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Originally Posted by Weldordie
I've got a life, but it's growing short. All I asked for was how to test for bottle contamination... not for all you dipshtts to give me advice I don't need.
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Originally Posted by Oldiron2
From the OP's earlier comments, this may be a reoccurring problem, one the seller won't handle correctly or worse, and tact may no longer be of value.I do find it interesting when so many on the site give judgemental opinions about situations they have so few facts about. Yes,making big issues out of little mistakes can be time-wasting, painful and a futile effort, but pushing back against poor practices, bad attitudes and illegal actions can sometimes be both needed and in the long run, better for not just the OP but for other customers who have or would have gotten in similar positions.
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Originally Posted by Weldordie
Never lost a case, yet.
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Originally Posted by Lis2323
Thats the route most of us dip****s would go. But then what do I know. I'mnot an "analytical thinker" like the OPis.
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Originally Posted by psacustomcreations
file a lawsuit in small claims court. Then make the appearance, present your evidence, then await judgment and the eventual payout.
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Originally Posted by psacustomcreations
Your life may be short and you don't like the answers given. Apparently it's long enough to come on here and complain. Then long enough find a lawyer and or to file a lawsuit in small claims court. Then make the appearance, present your evidence, then await judgment and the eventual payout.
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Originally Posted by Oldiron2
No lawyers are allowed in Small Claims Court in most, if not all states.
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Originally Posted by StandarDyne
My guess is that the OP went into the LWS screaming their heads off and they told him to go p!ss up a rope. Depend on A-1 service from them from here on out!
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Originally Posted by Weldordie
I've got a life, but it's growing short. All I asked for was how to test for bottle contamination... not for all you dipshtts to give me advice I don't need.
Reply:I think the OP would get along great with the thruwall guy who wants advice on copper backing a weld. Or maybe the Rolex guy who was here a little while ago. Sent from my SM-G996U using TapatalkMillermatic 252 MIGMiller Dynasty 200DX TIGMiller Spectrum 625 PlasmaAltas 12x36 Metal LatheBridgeport Milling Machinewww.psacustomcreations.com
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Originally Posted by Oldiron2
Again you're making guesses based on nothing, or perhaps on your own past behavior?"The OP [singular] ......screaming their [plural] heads off....". Either you don't understand basic grammar or the meaning of "screaming".
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Originally Posted by Oldiron2
Again you're making guesses based on nothing, or perhaps on your own past behavior?"The OP [singular] ......screaming their [plural] heads off....". Either you don't understand basic grammar or the meaning of "screaming".
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Originally Posted by Oscar
Reminds me of the exorcist. "If you're the devil, why don't you undo these ropes and set yourself free?.....That would be a much too vulgar display of power."
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Originally Posted by Oscar
This forum is not a paid service where you have chemists/chemical engineers at your beck and call to do your bidding as you see fit. How on Earth did you not see this coming by posting it on a WELDING forum?? Did you really think you could steer this topic down the path that you wanted it to take, and only that one path, somehow keeping everybody "in check" just from a few keystrokes from behind your computer screen? Reminds me of the exorcist. "If you're the devil, why don't you undo these ropes and set yourself free?.....That would be a much too vulgar display of power."
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Originally Posted by Weldordie
could, easily, be answered by yes or no, or totally ignored.
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Originally Posted by psacustomcreations
Don't forget that in today's world, a person may be called "they/them" instead of a he or she. So technically that poster might have been correct. Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk
Reply:Here's my two cents...... I've chased this problem a few times, never with a resolution. I did not have a secondary bottle to validate that the gas was indeed the issue at that moment. My living is not tied to welding as a trade, however I do make items for work, prototyping or to make work easier in my trade. That being said, I expect a product I purchase from an organization supplying to industry, to be nearly perfect. Another words if you're a multinational organization, supplying one line of products, gases in this case, your line should virtually be failure free. My time is valuable, and the time wasted on the clock, as well as personal time is forever lost. Simply returning a bottle, solves nothing, the sales guy will likely throw it back into the mix and the next guy will get screwed. It takes action to make change, this guy may be doing you a favor.Last edited by camfab; 1 Week Ago at 09:42 PM.Reason: spelling
Reply:Not here to play " mother hen" in this shltshow. I would imagine the amount of " contaminated" cylinders is very low, probably less than 1 in a thousand. Most suppliers offer a " pure" argon which they state is guaranteed to be more pure than the regular grade argon cylinders. I imagine it's comparable to how oxygen is labeled " medical". It's one of those situations where you have to trust your supplier and realize that there is always a possibility of something such as human error happening. Out of hundreds of not thousands of cylinders I've changed over the years I've yet to encounter a " contaminated" one. I have however grabbed the wrong one out of the rack and encountered problems which I realized what happened. Some times you have to suck it up and move on. Similar to getting a defective auto part. In either situation threatening litagations if laughable.
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Originally Posted by M J D
Not here to play " mother hen" in this shltshow. I would imagine the amount of " contaminated" cylinders is very low, probably less than 1 in a thousand. Most suppliers offer a " pure" argon which they state is guaranteed to be more pure than the regular grade argon cylinders. I imagine it's comparable to how oxygen is labeled " medical". It's one of those situations where you have to trust your supplier and realize that there is always a possibility of something such as human error happening. Out of hundreds of not thousands of cylinders I've changed over the years I've yet to encounter a " contaminated" one. I have however grabbed the wrong one out of the rack and encountered problems which I realized what happened. Some times you have to suck it up and move on. Similar to getting a defective auto part. In either situation threatening litagations if laughable.
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Originally Posted by Weldordie
When I posted my question I was hoping someone could provide an answer, but instead, it turned out to be an intelligence test... quite revealing. |
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发表于 2022-5-19 11:02:21