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Just saw the announcement for it a couple minutes ago and am very excited for it. I'm going to give it some time to get the bugs worked out and to prove itself but I'm pretty hopeful about it. Anyone have any concerns they'd have with the machine or any thoughts on it?Link: http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us...ncolnElectric)
Reply:I saw the ad via Facebook.Looks promising for this class and dollar amount.Ed Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
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Originally Posted by Broccoli1
I saw the ad via Facebook.Looks promising for this class and dollar amount.
Reply:My guess would be it is based on the same inverter from the PM210. They may have added an AC chopper & HF generation stage and have a common DC inverter.Made in China?I'd be interested in seeing the internals when someone gets one.Looks like a nice machine, and a great price point -- should put a bit of price pressure on the importers even.Hobart 210 MVPHTP Invertig 221 + coolerEverlast SuperUltra 205
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Originally Posted by Zizzle
My guess would be it is based on the same inverter from the PM210. They may have added an AC chopper & HF generation stage and have a common DC inverter.Made in China?I'd be interested in seeing the internals when someone gets one.Looks like a nice machine, and a great price point -- should put a bit of price pressure on the importers even.
Reply:Coming out with this low cost unit after dropping the Invertec205T AC/DC will put Lincoln in the import race and will sell just because its red.Now lets see if Miller follows by dropping the Dynasy 200DX.Last edited by mechanic416; 10-20-2015 at 05:58 PM.www.georgesplasmacuttershop.comPlasma Cutter and Welder Sales and Repairs--Ebay storeTec.Mo. Dealer Consumables for the PT and IPT torch's
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Originally Posted by mechanic416
Coming out with this low cost unit after dropping the Invertec205T AC/DC will put Lincoln in the import race and will sell just because its red.Now lets see if Miller follows by dropping the Dynasy 200DX.
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Originally Posted by mechanic416
Coming out with this low cost unit after dropping the Invertec205T AC/DC will put Lincoln in the import race and will sell just because its red.Now lets see if Miller follows by dropping the Dynasy 200DX.
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Originally Posted by Broccoli1
the 200 is gone
It is now the 210
http://store.cyberweld.com/miactigwedys.htmlThe Dynasty series if a different beast though. A ton more options, better duty cycle BUT a much heftier price tag. basic machine is $3,500.00 and then you still need to buy a Tig kit.**Looks like there is a basic Dynasty 210 and also a Dynasty 210DX-which has the 4 advanced wave form options. The Lincoln SW200 is really along the lines of the Miller Sync 210 in features BUT it is a lot more portable and cheaper. $1,399.00 gets you the machine and Tig kit. Not a bad deal.
Reply:This is pretty interesting. If they don't have major issues with the product this could be a home run for them. It will definitely give everylast and company some trouble. Anybody hear anything on ESAB REBEL, like any of the specs. If I'm not mistaken I believe it's going to be a 215 amp TigHere's a YouTube video of a commercial. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXkrj3cFUHA"
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Originally Posted by bbertb
They dropped the 200 series? Well then...if they'd drop the price point of the 210DX to something around the sw200 I'd probably go for it because I assume it's running off the same thing the 200dx did and it was tried and true
Reply:On this new welder are pulse controls added via a card or are they standard?
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Originally Posted by rahtreelimbs
On this new welder are pulse controls added via a card or are they standard?
Reply:The link I read said pulse was included.I like it
In 10-12 short years I'll find a cheap used one that someone bought and never used
...covered in dust if possible
Truthfully, I'd sure look it over if I wanted a new little machine.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
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Originally Posted by MinnesotaDave
The link I read said pulse was included.I like it
In 10-12 short years I'll find a cheap used one that someone bought and never used
...covered in dust if possible
Truthfully, I'd sure look it over if I wanted a new little machine.
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Originally Posted by bbertb
So you think its going to be a good machine? Better the Lincoln or the Miller equivalent which do you think you'd choose?
Reply:I think when they hit the dealers they will be selling for around a grand, like the 210 did when it came out.www.georgesplasmacuttershop.comPlasma Cutter and Welder Sales and Repairs--Ebay storeTec.Mo. Dealer Consumables for the PT and IPT torch's
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Originally Posted by Weld_
Anybody hear anything on ESAB REBEL, like any of the specs. If I'm not mistaken I believe it's going to be a 215 amp Tig
Reply:Seems very nice for the price, considering it comes with torch and foot pedal. AC frequency, pulse range, and duty cycle are limited compared to the Dynasty or HTP, but for less than half the price, it's hard to complain.Many recent threads here are people looking for a AC/DC TIG welder for an unrealistically low price. If this machine fills that niche it will be a big seller. Considering the popularity of the 210MP, I expect these to fly off the shelves.JohnA few weldersA lot of hammersA whole lot of C-clamps
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Originally Posted by Silicon-based
Seems very nice for the price, considering it comes with torch and foot pedal. AC frequency, pulse range, and duty cycle are limited compared to the Dynasty or HTP, but for less than half the price, it's hard to complain.Many recent threads here are people looking for a AC/DC TIG welder for an unrealistically low price. If this machine fills that niche it will be a big seller. Considering the popularity of the 210MP, I expect these to fly off the shelves.John
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Originally Posted by Zizzle
It's actually pretty annoying, they were pushing it pretty hard on xtreme off road the other day (check it out at about the 8 minute mark):http://www.powernationtv.com/episode...-with-the-bullBut I can't find anything on it.One of the shots showed the tig torch and it had a gas valve on it.So it seems like it is more of a MIG machine though - comparable to the Lincoln 210MP. No argon solenoid and no HF start. Seems like it may be worse that the 210MP -- no foot control.
Reply:This looks like it would be just right for me. Looking to do BMX frames and cranks. Don't need a big machine for 4130 BMX tubing.
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Originally Posted by mechanic416
I think when they hit the dealers they will be selling for around a grand, like the 210 did when it came out.
Reply:Im actually quite upset about this. I just bought a TA186 a few months ago, now this almost identical machine comes out at $400 cheaper and with Lincolns name on it, I should have waited for sure. Anyone wanna buy a slightly used TA186?
Reply:I am sure that is the machine Lincoln set it's sights for.. I don't think Tweco will be selling very many the 186 machines now, not if Lincoln can keep up with the demand..Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200/ Lincoln feedersThermal 95sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered Thermal Drag-gun 35CThermal 15cINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Originally Posted by Brand X
No way on that one.. The 210 was listed for under $1,000.00 when it first came out. This new one is going sell for just what they listed it at.. Still a nice price for a decent inverter tig package. Should kill off many import sales of even the cheaper models out..Got to give Lincoln Credit for moving the price bar once again..
Reply:So I have been looking at this for about 10 minutes now. I was impressed at first but honestly not so much. Tig - low amp side is 10. A little lower would be betterPulse - everyone new into welding seems to love this rule of 33 with pulse. At least make the machine do that. It would help boost salesAC freq - 60hz - 150hz. Not bad, but most machines at least do 200hz now. Still for the price not bad.Amperage - only 125 amps on 115v. My tweco 141i will do 141amps. The dynasty 200dx will do 150. My AHP says it does 149amps on 110v. They could of boosted that a few amps to about 135-140 to at least give it an edge OVER the diversion 180.Pre/Post flow - NOTHING. This really bothers me. I mean a few dollars for pot or something will go a long way for pre/post flow. I love my AHP but the lack of pre flow bugs the **** out of me. The auto post flow on the diversion and the tweco 141i SUCK. If I do a 2 second weld at 140 amps I have 14 seconds of post flow. It's very annoying and honestly between both of my machines there is a world of difference in how long my argon tank lasts. Hence why I don't even use the tweco.Will it sell? Sure it's got Lincolns name on it and the price isn't all that bad. I would of bought it over my tweco for sure. But i still prefer my AHP. I'm sure the lincoln will perform very well but still I won't bother with it.Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:150hz is fine, if the machine can narrow it's arc like a true Sanrex machine can.. Plenty to get a very small arc cone.. Easb/Lincoln, and Thermal-arc have made many machines with 150HZ tops. They could make it go to 500 if they wanted it too..(Just no reason for it) On the smaller machines I think the 60HZ is really lacking. Might want to wet out something really thick, and lower hz can help the 200 amp machines.. I'd rather have more amps and less low end freqs then more freqs above 150 hz By a mile too.. I will take a machine that truly goes down in the very low amp ranges on tail-out. Very few of these machines do it correctly.. first Dynasty 200 was about the worst at 5 amps bottom. Just sucked when tailing out.. It's not specs as much as how it does it.. You do need to weld with it before you can make too many judgments on how it works. Might be killer in many areas.. (Like warranty/support..)
I don't think I would buy any without micro pulse of my Esab. Just kidding, but it is another level if you care to use it..Or all the two step tig button amp setting with repeat mode... All stuff that is really handy but more then 2 times as much $$ for the machine only.Last edited by Brand X; 10-21-2015 at 12:59 AM.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200/ Lincoln feedersThermal 95sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered Thermal Drag-gun 35CThermal 15cINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:I would buy this just based on the fact that if I need warranty service I can drive less than 20 miles to drop the machine off at an authorized service center. No need to pay for shipping to San Francisco. If this thing welds well, the service network combined with the price and a moderate feature set makes this a killer to Longevity, Eastwood, Everlast, AHP, etc.Miller Multimatic 255
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Originally Posted by Louie1961
I would buy this just based on the fact that if I need warranty service I can drive less than 20 miles to drop the machine off at an authorized service center. No need to pay for shipping to San Francisco. If this thing welds well, the service network combined with the price and a moderate feature set makes this a killer to Longevity, Eastwood, Everlast, AHP, etc.
Reply:I should have one the first week of November
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Reply:Like others have said, impressive at first, but look into the details... The pulse being fixed is terrible. I need to be able to adjust peak time, and background current for it to be worth my while. Who cares about about the "rhythm" benefit, pulse is about penetration, heat input, AND bead uniformity. I'll stick to the HTP 221 for now. The extra $1200 will be worth it to me...Alfa Turd 200dx 16'A man chooses, a slave obeys... Would you kindly?
Reply:The HTP machine is a great machine and worth every penny. For the budget crowd that can't afford the HTP and are looking at the Chinese welders, I think this makes a much more viable option. Some people spend $800-$1000 on a Chinese welder then spend another $3-400 on on upgrades. This package from Lincoln would seem to not require the same upgrades, making them relatively close in total cost of ownership. Plus the Lincoln is digital, where most of the cheaper Chinese welders are analog. I think this is a game changer.Miller Multimatic 255
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Originally Posted by Louie1961
The HTP machine is a great machine and worth every penny. For the budget crowd that can't afford the HTP and are looking at the Chinese welders
Reply:I sell welding machines daily.... Lincoln is going to sell every one of these they make. Customers have been asking for such a thing for years. I just hope they can keep up with them at the start so I'm not waiting forever to get them.Kills me to read the people that complain about specs on a machine that costs 1/2 of what they are comparing it to.... smh.
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Originally Posted by motochris
I sell welding machines daily.... Lincoln is going to sell every one of these they make. Customers have been asking for such a thing for years. I just hope they can keep up with them at the start so I'm not waiting forever to get them.Kills me to read the people that complain about specs on a machine that costs 1/2 of what they are comparing it to.... smh.
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Originally Posted by motochris
I sell welding machines daily.... Lincoln is going to sell every one of these they make. Customers have been asking for such a thing for years. I just hope they can keep up with them at the start so I'm not waiting forever to get them.Kills me to read the people that complain about specs on a machine that costs 1/2 of what they are comparing it to.... smh.
Reply:I bet a few months after it's released the price will jump by $200-300 it's a promotional price just like the 210mp wasTiger Sales: AHP Distributor www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P, Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma. For Sale: Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun. Lincoln Wirematic 250
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Originally Posted by Brand X
Should kill off many import sales
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Originally Posted by soutthpaw
I bet a few months after it's released the price will jump by $200-300 it's a promotional price just like the 210mp was
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Originally Posted by fortyonethirty
How could it do that? It will be imported. Assembled in mexico, and full of chinese parts just like the the 210mp.
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Originally Posted by Louie1961
The answer is in the support network. If you need a repair, no need to ship the unit to California, just drive down the road to your local authorized service center....
Reply:I looked at the "quick reference guide" on the link provided and it's in Spanish! What has happened to us? I hope the manual is in Engrish!!
Reply:This unit sounds pretty sweet. However, like others have said, I feel like it's just barely missing the mark in some key areas. Not being able to control the pulse at all while also having it limited to 20 pps is pretty lame. Enabling full control and even 50 pps would've been ideal. Also, the duty cycle is a little weak...40+% @ 200 amps would've been nice. I foresee users constantly hitting the over temp light on basic aluminum work thinking it's more machine than it really is.If it was just a litttttttle better in those areas I'd jump all over it, even if it ups the cost a few hundred bucks (how much money could those small tweaks add realistically anyways?).Seems great otherwise. I hope there's a comparable "225" version haha. Or maybe Miller will wake up...Millermatic 211 w/Spoolmate 150Hypertherm PMX45XPWishlist:HTP Invertig 221
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Originally Posted by DerekV
Not being able to control the pulse at all while also having it limited to 20 pps is pretty lame.
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Originally Posted by pantelones
It's not stuck at 20pps, you can vary from .1 to 20pps. The problem is that you have a set on time, and a set background amperage (50%). IMHO that makes the pulse function not only hard to use, but it's teaching you bad habits for when you do get to change the background and on time. At my work we fiddle with the on time and background a lot to get our pulsing just right, and I can't imagine why someone would make the jump from a Chinese import, to a name brand only to "dumb down" the machine that they are using.Someone only using this for straight TIG, and has little experience I would probably recommend it. The nice foot-pedal/torch, 200amp AC/DC, and easy to use functions alone are worth $1400. I just feel that they missed the mark on a great business opportunity. If they made a rival to the HTP 221 and it was $1000 cheaper, you bet I would buy it over the HTP, but it's not the case. What's done is done, they already set the bar, and other brands will follow...
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Originally Posted by pantelones
It kills me to think that people are putting a price point before a usable machine...Seriously, think about it... Why wouldn't Lincoln make a 200amp AC/DC inverter version of the old Square wave 175, and sell it for $1,199. THEN sell a "professional" model that has fully adjustable AC balance, Frequency, Pulse, Pre/post flow, Ect and sell that for $1,999. Both markets are covered, and both machine are a game changer that no-one else can compete with. I swear, people just don't think anymore...
Reply:Sorry, I knew that it's not stuck on 20, should've clarified.Millermatic 211 w/Spoolmate 150Hypertherm PMX45XPWishlist:HTP Invertig 221
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Originally Posted by Gamble
Funny because some machines with half the price still have twice the options...I sold welding machines too..big deal |
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