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. I built this Aluminum handrail for my customer, it is removable and just sits on concrete. At the ends I made parts that capture the permeant handrail. Materials are about $600 for 200' of 1 1/2" aluminum pipe. One section is 32' and the other is 25'. I have about 20 hours in shop fabrication, plus a couple for on site measuring. So what the market price for handrail like this?It seemed like a good idea at the time!
Reply:Materials are $600, so add $1200 for labor.
Reply:Only you can decide what your time is worth. It looks very good so I'd probably charge your going shop rate and add an hour or 2 or so for onsite measuring. More if you have to install it. It's a custom job and 20 hours or so seems reasonable to me. Materials are usually the lowest cost of the fabrication. Up here shop rates are well over $100/hr. For 22 hours $1200 is only $54.54 per hour. 24 hours is only $50/hr.Last edited by Welder Dave; 06-18-2021 at 08:31 PM.
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Originally Posted by Welder Dave
Materials are usually the lowest cost of the fabrication. Up here shop rates are well over $100/hr. For 22 hours $1200 is only $54.54 per hour. 24 hours is only $50/hr.
Reply:You seemingly have a welding business and you don't know what to charge?
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Reply:I generally figure cost of materials x 3 if I am bidding a job , otherwise it is time and materials.Trapper
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Originally Posted by SweetMK
Even at $100 per hour, I only consider that the rate for the worker,, (pay, plus taxes, plus SS, plus medical, plus bebefits such as vacation)There then has to be a charge filler metal, gases, depreciation of the machinery, the monthly rent of the building, heck, go get a car fixed today, there is even a line item for shop rags.Those items MUST be paid for, or you will not be in business next year,,Oh, yea, there is also 401K , IRA plans, etc,, $100 per hour can not cover all of that,,
Reply:welding1 where are you located?
Reply:Thanks for the replies, some great response's. I'm in North Port Florida (SW Florida). SweetMK had the most accurate comment, my main reason for the post was to see what others charge. I'll be comfortable at $125 P/H and mark up the Aluminum at least 50%. After being in business for almost 20 years I've learned that you can charge damn near what ever you want on theses small jobs! Larger shops won't even bid on these tiny jobs.It seemed like a good idea at the time!
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Originally Posted by Welder Dave
I don't know shop rates are where the OP is located but they cover all the things you mention. You can't have a shop rate and then add a bunch of extra charges for everything imaginable. I was just pointing out that around $50/hr. is way too low.
Reply:Quoting rails per hour may cover expenses, but leave a couple thousand in your clients pocket, I suspect. Should of shot a price before building. Can not imagine there is a shortage of Ally rail builders in Florida. Call one of them. Did you just weld or finish them. Any seams? Any finishing to the tube. Price seems ridiculously low.
Reply:If you didn't already discuss a price with your customer and you spent time and money on this project, it seems that you're going to be behind the 8-ball when you negotiate.
Reply:In regards to Tapwelder and Denis G's comment, lots of Aluminum fabricators here in Florida, problem is they want the really big jobs, like an apartment complex or 2 miles of handrail along side a culvert for a side walk. What it really comes down to is my customer trust my work and never ask for a price! I invoice them and next time I open the mail box there a check!It seemed like a good idea at the time!
Reply:Ironically, I debated leaving a line in my previous statement, "at those rates, you will have a customer for life".On Friday, I bid a job identical to that minus the bends, tabs and only 107 feet.... The happily acceptedYou are ridiculously low... And not being compensated for your skill.Let me bid your next rail job and I will send you $150 per hour wages. At least submit a number on the front end that will make them uncomfortable.
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Originally Posted by SweetMK
I never intended for all of my add-ons to be part of a quote,, I intended my statement to be what must be covered to keep a shop running, honestly.Small shops need to pay the bills,, ALL of the bills,, if you simply quote $100 per hour, the shop will loose $$$ on most jobs.Heck, take $100, deduct the items I mentioned, you are left with so little money you are better working at McDonalds.(I just read that many McD employees are earning $17 per hour, and the shift manager is getting $20/hr)Ya gotta make it worth the risk to run a shop, or else, take the easy route, go to work for "the man"...
Reply:From Welder Daves and Tapwelder sounds like I need to raise my rates, I like the idea of "A customer for life", and I'm a For Profit business.It seemed like a good idea at the time!
Reply:When did you buy your metal? Seems like a great price. Is ally not inflated?
Reply:You said you have roughly 20hrs in the job? That wouldve taken me twice as long to do that same job lol. I build a ton of steel handrails of all different styles and specs. I get at least $150/ft and thats just to build and install. I dont paint or powdercoat so thats not included in my price, Id bid that job at 8k at the least, I mean its aluminum and aluminum can be/is a pain to work with usually. Id be curious to know what you end up charging.
Reply:I'm probably be around 4500 before tax. It was really an easy job. This customer has a 2 marina's and always gives me work and never questions the bill. I'd love to get 150/ft, but I dont think I would be comfortable asking for that much. And to answer Tapwelder about the cost, I bought the Aluminum only 1 month ago, I'll have to look at the invoice but I think it was about $60 per 20'.It seemed like a good idea at the time!
Reply:I agree with Welder DaveIf word gets out on on over charging you can loss business. FYI: All my work was quoted I never charged by hour.Everyone new prices be for I started and signed on agree price.Dave
Originally Posted by welding1
. I built this Aluminum handrail for my customer, it is removable and just sits on concrete. At the ends I made parts that capture the permeant handrail. Materials are about $600 for 200' of 1 1/2" aluminum pipe. One section is 32' and the other is 25'. I have about 20 hours in shop fabrication, plus a couple for on site measuring. So what the market price for handrail like this?
Reply:Some jobs have to be by the hour though because you don't always know what to expect. Just moving that railing around to do the welding is a lot of work.
Reply:Over charging occurs giving a price after the job is done. Otherwise, you are just just giving a your price for them to accept or deny. You cannot determine the ceiling price until you are denied multiple times. If you get everything then you are wearing yourself out and chasing minimal dollars.Consistency is most important than a "fair" wage. "Fair" wage and " industry standard" are traps.
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Originally Posted by welding1
. I built this Aluminum handrail for my customer, it is removable and just sits on concrete. At the ends I made parts that capture the permeant handrail. Materials are about $600 for 200' of 1 1/2" aluminum pipe. One section is 32' and the other is 25'. I have about 20 hours in shop fabrication, plus a couple for on site measuring. So what the market price for handrail like this?
Reply:Good stuff, thanks guys! So went over my price on materials and it was $60 per 20'. I miss spoke when I said 600 for material, really its 1200. I think $75.00 / foot is good.It seemed like a good idea at the time!
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Originally Posted by welding1
Good stuff, thanks guys! So went over my price on materials and it was $60 per 20'. I miss spoke when I said 600 for material, really its 1200. I think $75.00 / foot is good.I think people do not get the taxes, the forklift repairs, fuel or electricity to power it, all the insurance, building maintenance, vehicle maintenance. They just see the price of the pipe and want it for free. I am pretty good with forklifts as well and I find myself going to my friend's shops and just helping them get their forklifts going because they really cannot afford to call the forklift company and be without the lift while they wait for them to pick it up and bring it back. These are some sad times. I remember Super Storm Sandy, the government gave people a small amount of money to make repairs. When the people took that money that was not enough they themselves or they had friends do the work for them just so they could get back into their businesses to work again, the government wanted the money back or would not pay them for the work they had done without a receipt from a contractor. If they gave them the right amount of money they would not have hired a contractor. I did a lot of free work on people's heating and cooling systems that they ended up not getting paid for the materials much less labor. I suspect they are going to hit people hard and get back the money they laid out during the "pandemic".Sincerely, William McCormickIf I wasn't so.....crazy, I wouldn't try to act normal, and you would be afraid. |
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