what brands sell Dual shield wire in .035

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I've spent most of today trying to find dual shield wire for low carbon steel in .035, the only brand I've found is Blue Demon, and even then I've only been able to find it on ebay.Anyone know of brands that produce dual shield in .035 diameter that is fairly readily available to purchase?
Reply:ESAB. ESAB is the only brand that sells Dual Shield wire. I just googled it, Airgas has a 33 pounder for $235
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Originally Posted by walker

ESAB. ESAB is the only brand that sells Dual Shield wire. I just googled it, Airgas has a 33 pounder for $235
Reply:Lincoln 71M https://www.google.com/aclk?sa=l&ai=...M&dct=1&adurl=
Reply:From what I've read, "dual-sheld" wire is a wire that needs gas to allow for better deposition rates and is used for thicker applications. Regular flux core wire has chemicals that react with oxygen and help clean the base material so using a shielding gas with those types of wire would be detrimental. That being said, Forney offers a flux core GS single pass wire that can use c25 to reduce spatter. I do not know how readily available it is though.Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk
Reply:HTP sells it in 035.

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Reply:Hobart has it in 33lb spools as does Esab. Esab's website is kind of wonky but found it at Airgas.https://www.hobartbrothers.com/wp-co...xcel_Arc71.pdfhttps://www.airgas.com/product/Weldi...p/ESA248000622
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Originally Posted by bplayer405

From what I've read, "dual-sheld" wire is a wire that needs gas to allow for better deposition rates and is used for thicker applications. Regular flux core wire has chemicals that react with oxygen and help clean the base material so using a shielding gas with those types of wire would be detrimental. That being said, Forney offers a flux core GS single pass wire that can use c25 to reduce spatter. I do not know how readily available it is though.Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk
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Originally Posted by Welder Dave

What do you mean by regular flux-core, self-shielded? There are self-shielded flux-core wires will very high deposition rates. Forney may have some decent products but generally any wire with a GS in the description, the GS stands for generally s-itty. GS wires don't  have to meet any AWS specifications.
Reply:I use Blue Demon it welds very good. The best part is price.I use E71T-11 0.030" in 10 pounds. Dave

Originally Posted by ttoks

I've spent most of today trying to find dual shield wire for low carbon steel in .035, the only brand I've found is Blue Demon, and even then I've only been able to find it on ebay.Anyone know of brands that produce dual shield in .035 diameter that is fairly readily available to purchase?
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Originally Posted by smithdoor

I use Blue Demon it welds very good. The best part is price.I use E71T-11 0.030" in 10 pounds. Dave
Reply:I'm still having no luck, ESAB sell's they're dual shield 7100 ultra in .035 in my country, but only in a 33 lb spool (i need it in a 10 or 11 lb spool), lincoln make they're outershield 71M in .035 in a 10 lb spool, but they're don't distribute it in my country, same problem with the blue demon E71T-1C, they make it in .035 in an 11 LB spool, but can't get it in my country.I was hoping that perhaps another brand I wasn't aware of made it, but it seems its just lincoln, ESAB and blue demon.Last edited by ttoks; 06-28-2021 at 04:07 AM.
Reply:Well I ended up settling on buying some .035 and .030 E71T-1 gas shielded wire and having it sent over from the U.S from https://www.weldingcity.com/, price for the wire itself I'd say is pretty good, works out to be able $50 AUD for a 10lb roll which isn't really that much more than what I pay for .035 ER70S-6 solid wire here, and cheaper than I pay for E71-11 self shield (and half the price of .035 lincoln NR211MP here in Aus at $110 for 10 lb)But the shipping for 4 rolls (40 lb) of wire was $180 lol, still only ended up being $9 per pound with shipping which is about what i'd pay locally for .045 gas shield, albeit for a name brand like lincoln 71M or ESAB 7100 ULTRA.
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Originally Posted by Oscar

That's not a gas-shielded flux core wire though and the wrong diameter.  The OP is looking for FCAW-G in 0.035" specifically.   Blue Demon does make some though.
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Originally Posted by bplayer405

From what I understood, your typical Hobart E71T-11 or Lincoln NR211-MP found at the box stores won't weld properly in the absence of oxygen (shielded with gas). I have personally never tried to use either with a shielding gas to know the difference, just going by what I've researched. I believe neither descriptions of these wires suggest the use of a shielding gas. I have used both without shielding gas with good results. I would have to defer to anyone in the industry because my experience is quite limited. I also understand the GS designation for wire to be for whoever doesn't want to go through the rigorous testing ($) to get a full classification. I'm just a hobbyist and won't trust this class of wire to use again. I got a sample spool of GS wire with a welder and it was single pass. I made a mess trying to weld exhaust with it because it simply would not take a weld to a previous weld. Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk
Reply:InnerShield = Outside        Outershield = InsideIt reminds me of a George Carlin bit, maybe. "Why do people park in Driveways, and drive on Parkways  ? "   

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Reply:Why does electricity(DC) flow from - to + instead of + to -? So many questions????
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Originally Posted by Welder Dave

Why does electricity(DC) flow from - to + instead of + to -? So many questions????
Reply:The better question would be if your south of the equator why doesn't it flow positive to negative.
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Originally Posted by Welder Dave

Why does electricity(DC) flow from - to + instead of + to -? So many questions????
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Originally Posted by M J D

The better question would be if your south of the equator why doesn't it flow positive to negative.
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Originally Posted by ttoks

how do you know it doesn't? everything else is backwards down here.
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Originally Posted by Jack Ryan

Electrons do that because they are attracted to a positive charge. Positrons go the other way - in fact, I think resistance is caused by the electrons and positrons trying to get past each other.Helpfully,Jack
Reply:kiswel makes a .035 dual sheild. was readily available on amazon when i got some 6mon ago. ine also has some dual sheildinvertig 221 water cooledmillermatic 211hypertherm powermax 30xp
Reply:I'm currently using Hobart's 0.035 Excel Arc 71 gas shielded flux core. Prior to using it, I've read/heard people describing it as "butter" smooth. Can confirm - buttery-smooth and fun to weld with.

Originally Posted by Jack Ryan

Electrons do that because they are attracted to a positive charge. Positrons go the other way - in fact, I think resistance is caused by the electrons and positrons trying to get past each other.Helpfully,Jack
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Originally Posted by Campbell45

I'm currently using Hobart's 0.035 Excel Arc 71 gas shielded flux core. Prior to using it, I've read/heard people describing it as "butter" smooth. Can confirm - buttery-smooth and fun to weld with.
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Originally Posted by cornchip

but is it made in china? neither kiswell or ine is made in china
Reply:well china has practically stolen everything there is to steal from usa. one of the oldest american hand tool makers was just recently bought up by the chinese. probly they couldnt stay afloat any longer from all the "americans" already buying so much products from china. maybe one day you or your brother or freing wont have a job because every manufacturer is practically goneinvertig 221 water cooledmillermatic 211hypertherm powermax 30xp
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Originally Posted by cornchip

well china has practically stolen everything there is to steal from usa. one of the oldest american hand tool makers was just recently bought up by the chinese. probly they couldnt stay afloat any longer from all the "americans" already buying so much products from china. maybe one day you or your brother or freing wont have a job because every manufacturer is practically gone
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Originally Posted by cornchip

well china has practically stolen everything there is to steal from usa. one of the oldest american hand tool makers was just recently bought up by the chinese. probly they couldnt stay afloat any longer from all the "americans" already buying so much products from china. maybe one day you or your brother or freing wont have a job because every manufacturer is practically gone
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Originally Posted by ttoks

The way I see it is compete or change, if you can't compete with another person/company/country ect then you have to change so either you can compete, or you don't have to anymore.just remember it's exactly what the U.S did to Europe in the late 1800's-early 1900's, the U.S out competed them, now the U.S is starting being outcompeted in manufacturing, can't blame the country that's beating you, you have to do something better or different, people have been put out of work from technological and economic advancement for as long as "work" has been a thing, change or be steam rolled.
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Originally Posted by N2 Welding

A lot of the Chinese competition is only able to do so because of tech and intellectual property theft.  So you can not compete with a country that operates the way China does.
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Originally Posted by N2 Welding

A lot of the Chinese competition is only able to do so because of tech and intellectual property theft.  So you can not compete with a country that operates the way China does.
Reply:I tend to favor the INE Italian wire for the price.  I understand what you are saying ttoks but if some one does not put a stop to it the whole world will be speaking Chinese as a primary language and not by choice fair or not.Lincoln, ESAB, Thermal Dynamics, Victor, Miller, Dewalt, Makita, Kalamzoo.  Hand tools, power tools, welding and cutting tools.
Reply:Hundreds if not thousands of N. American companies no matter how long they've been established have moved production to China. That's not the same as saying China took them over or stole their designs. For most companies it's all about the bottom line and for most consumers it's all about the best price/quality ratio.
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Originally Posted by Welder Dave

Hundreds if not thousands of N. American companies no matter how long they've been established have moved production to China. That's not the same as saying China took them over or stole their designs. For most companies it's all about the bottom line and for most consumers it's all about the best price/quality ratio.
Reply:I try to by western made stuff wherever i can. That means Esab/bohler/Lincoln consumables and I always check the COO. Recently they've all being doing cheaper product lines made in china, though, so you have to be careful.None of my welding machines are chinese, which is something I'm happy about.Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.