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New to this forum and I am not a welder but heard this is the place to come to have all your welding questions answered.....The pic below is of my boat. I would like to have the middle bench seat cut to where there are two pedestal seats and a aluminum floor welded in the bottom like the second pic...I have all of the pieces of aluminum needed but need to get a cost estimate. What would you guys charge for work like this and if you can give any other advice that would be great too... Thanks Guys
Reply:At the very minimum 3 to 4 hours of labor, if not more. It's not easy TIG welding inside a boat like that. You have cut time, fab time and weld time. It may appear easy but alas, all that stuff takes time to do, all the while sitting or laying inside a boat. Ask me how I know. Now if someone has a MIG with a spool gun, that will cut down on some time for the welding. That ribbed floor is the tricky part. It appears to act as bracing, so when cutting out the bench seat, you also have to be careful not to cut any of those. FYI - shop rates will vary and time alloted per job. For something like that it would be a minimum of $60/hr., possibly less if material was provided. Let me know if you have any other questions.John - fabricator extraordinaire, car nut!- bleeding Miller blue! http://www.weldfabzone.com
Reply:Thanks MicroZone...I will shop around and see who I can find. Not really that concerned with price but more concerned with the job being done right....The back seat is not connected to the floor and the seat is hollow filled with floatation....When I am calling around should I ask if they have a mig or spool gun? Know anybody who is set up to weld aluminum in Panama City, FL?
Reply:If you're not concerned with the look of the weld, certainly ask if they have a spool gun for welding aluminum. It will take much less time. Basically a point and shoot type deal. I wish I had a spool gun for my MIG when that customer brought me a boat last week. Remember - quality takes time, if they do a quality job and it looks good, then it will fetch a decent price.John - fabricator extraordinaire, car nut!- bleeding Miller blue! http://www.weldfabzone.com
Reply:Here is the description of the shop I am lookin at in the yellow pages.....Products & Services:Aluminum Free Estimates Handrails Heavy Equipment Specialties:Ship Repair,Handrails,Heavy Equipment,Aluminum,Pipe Fitting Additional Information:Complete Shop & Mobile Welding, Heliarc Stainless, Ship Repair, Pipe & Fitting, Tig Mig & Stick, Plasma Cutter, Steel & Aluminum Fabrication What do you think?
Reply:I think that's a great start. Give them a call and ask for an estimate. Let them know you have pictures of the boat to possibly give a more exact idea on an estimate. E-mail the pics to them.John - fabricator extraordinaire, car nut!- bleeding Miller blue! http://www.weldfabzone.com
Reply:MuddyDawg, I am a couple hours to the northeast of you, but My best friend has a place in P.C. and I go down quite often. I actually have a couple jobs down around Lynn Haven coming up. One where I will have a tig machine with me. Not sure what kind of time frame you are looking at, but if it will help I would be willing to pick your boat up one weekend while I am there, and bring it back to ya the next weekend. I'll be glad to help ya anyway I can. Just throwing it out there. ~JacksonLast edited by Hammack_Welding; 06-15-2007 at 01:18 PM.I'm a Lover, Fighter, Wild horse Rider, and a pretty good welding man......
Reply:Jackson,went and saw a guy at lunch that may be able to do it for me up the street from where I live. I am going to take my boat in there Monday and get a good estimate on cost and his turn around time. I will def. let you know if it does not work out with him ....thanks for the offer and if it doesn't work out with this guy I'll get in touch with ya and we can go from there. I am not concerned with time as long as it is not a month or longer....will let you know and thanks again!!!!
Reply:Muddy, one other thing to becareful of I did not notice it at first, but your boat is a riveted construction and the one in the picture is a welded boat. This is going to be pretty involved to do it right. Alot of time riveted boats are not build from as thick a materials as welded boats. Braces will need to be added or modified to get a level mount for the floor. then you still have the issue of a riveted bottom if you ever have a leak you will not be able to get into the inner part of the hull to repair it without cutting the boat up. my suggestion would be to have it modified so you can bolt/screw the floor sheet in place. That way you will be able to remove it if the case need be. You will also be adding a good bit more weight. another thing is I am not sure how the flexing and distortion from welding will effect the riveted seems. its a possibility it could leak. not a big one, but a possibility. I see the floor supports on your boat run up the side wall will you cover those as well or just notch around them and weld in another sheet for the floor? Not trying to discourage you, and my offer stands to help ya out. Just a few things to consider before you start. ~JacksonI'm a Lover, Fighter, Wild horse Rider, and a pretty good welding man......
Reply:Is the aluminum that you have a weldable alloy and compatable to the alloy of the boat? Are you putting in more floatation than you're taking out? You're add more weight so it reasons that you'll need more floatation. I believe that the boat should float when it's flooded. I really don't know much about making boats but I know that there is more to consider than cut and weld.
Reply:Here are the specs for my boat in the first picture and the specs for the second boat pictured....They look the same or am I missing something? CONSTRUCTION 5052 Marine Grade Aluminum Alloy All welded .100" (.25 cm) marine grade aluminum one piece bottom Aluminum beveled transom Commercial net rails Double knee brace Extruded aluminum tubular transom Extruded aluminum V stem and formed in keels Extruded hat ribs on 12" (30.48 cm) centers Hard Chine Hull NMMA certified Reinforced stainless steel bow and stern eyes Stainless steel fasteners Upright level flotation with closed cell foam Wood free construction VSCONSTRUCTION 5052 Marine Grade Aluminum Alloy All welded .100" (.25 cm) marine grade aluminum one piece bottom Aluminum beveled transom Commercial net rails Extruded aluminum tubular transom Extruded aluminum V stem and formed in keels Hard Chine Hull Longitudinal stringer system Navigational lights NextWave Electrical System (Plug and Play) NMMA certified Reinforced stainless steel bow and stern eyes Stainless steel fasteners Upright level flotation with closed cell foam Wood free construction Thanks for all your advice...keep it coming
Reply:Hey Jackson,to answer your question I am planning on having the sheet for the floor notched around the floor supports and will probably just screw the floor in...I found a sheet of aluminum .100 gauge which is 6ftX4ft wide and weighs 33.53 lbs...I may not go with the floor at all if it is too much trouble and just do the back bench seat....just for ease of operation of my mud motor....
Reply:Muddy, I could very well be wrong, but it sure looks like rivets on the bow of your boat as well as the rear bench looks like it has flanges turned out and rivetted to the hull. Either way you have the boat. Just look and see if there is small round head rivets on the outside of the hull. In the pics the boats are similar but not exact. As far as welding in some tabs for you to screw your floor to, and cut the bench seat. I don't see it being much of a big deal. I just caught something in your comparison. It says all welded "Bottom" not all welded boat. That could explain the rivets I think I am seeing. could be the bottoms are welded and insides are riveted. If that is the case you are way ahead of the game with a welded bottom over a riveted one. Look around and see what ya can come up with and let me know if I can help. ~JacksonI'm a Lover, Fighter, Wild horse Rider, and a pretty good welding man......
Reply:Jackson,I do not see any small round head rivets on the outside of the hull anywhere and the beams that run across in the floor are all welded...Is that good or bad ?? You still interested in doing this for me? How soon could you get it back to me and what do you think the est. cost would be? The place where I was supposed to get the aluminum for the project fell through...Can you order the materials needed to do the project if need be? If you can get me an estimate together on price and time maybe I can just have you do it. Where are you located??? Maybe I could drop it off on my way to Atlanta this weekend and then pick it up the following weekend when I go up to our place around Bainbridge, GA. Let me know and I'll let you know.... thanks again -Garrett-
Reply:Garrett, No rivets = A good thing. Rivets tend to leak over time and an all welded hull is always preferred. I'll work you up a price and see what I can come up with. If I can get the aluminum as drops from a local Salvage yard. (which they usually have a good bit of .120 & .100 AL sheet on hand) it will save ya some money. Right now there is not a lot going on so next week could be a good time. I don't see any reason why I can't have it completed in a week. I really don't see much more than a day involved if you just want to cut the seat, and add the floor, but I won't be able to work on it continuously. I'll have to do it in between repairs so it'll take a few days from start to finish. I am located right on the GA/AL line. (directly north of Bainbridge about an hour) Most of my work is in Alabama between here and the Dothan area. Which way will you be going to Atlanta? If you will be coming thru Dothan I have several clients and friends in that area that I could meet you at to drop the boat to save you some time, and I can meet you somewhere around Bainbridge the following weekend to deliver it. I'll P.M. you a price and the details later. ~JacksonOh I need some rough measurements as to the height, depth, and width of the bench seat, and how much you want to take out of the middle. Also I need the length and width of the floor area you want covered.Last edited by Hammack_Welding; 06-19-2007 at 02:59 PM.I'm a Lover, Fighter, Wild horse Rider, and a pretty good welding man......
Reply:Sounds great man. I look forward to hearing from you. I will get those measurements this afternoon and send them to you. I know that the floor from the back of the bench seat to the front deck that I want covered is about 7ft length X 4ft width (may require some cutting to fit). I'll get you the rest of the measurements tomorrow morning. We usually go up through Donalsonville and Blakeley...if you think it would be quicker for us to go up through Dothan let me know and we can set up a meet. Talk at ya tomorrow. Thanks again.
Reply:Garrett if you go up thru Donalsonville, you will drive past my house. I live just north of Blakely on US27 about 15 miles.I'm a Lover, Fighter, Wild horse Rider, and a pretty good welding man......
Reply:Here are the rough Measurements I came up with last night.Let me know if you need anything else.Bench Seat Dimensions:67"X 22" width X 14" depthAmount To be Removed: 37" approx.Floor7ft length X 4 ft 3" inches if we notch around the ribs7ft length X 4 ft if we do not notch around the ribsI may have you make some additional cuts for installing a hatch, a rocker panel, and lights in the boat. I will mark all the places on the bench seat and places for the above accessories where I want them cut.....let me know about the estimate when you have time and we'll be ready to rock and roll
Reply:Garrett, I will work you up a price and get it too you tommorrow now that I know how much material you will need. ~JacksonI'm a Lover, Fighter, Wild horse Rider, and a pretty good welding man......
Reply:sounds good. just pm me the estimate, your address, and phone number. we'll probably be leaving here around 5:30 or 6pm tomorrow after we get off work and we'll probably be coming by there around 8:30 pm or so given yall or a hour ahead of us. -Garrett- |
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