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...with welders in it.Hi fella's,This is my first and last post of following the rules ( illegal is just a sick bird ). Someone tell me if there's a better topic thread for this request. I hope to gain some knowledge in order to ask the  welder I hire the right questions.I want to modify my Yamaha banshee's front end with the parts I have. The pair of shocks I'm going to use have reservoirs that need a 90 deg placement change in order to work for me. The way I want to mod them is to cut the eye let mount off and weld them at 90 deg from their present position. I think they're either cast aluminum or aluminum/magnesium alloy.I'm taking them apart first and pressing out the bearing.Cutting off the eye let should still leave enough material to work with. Here are some questions I have:1. does it matter what type of aluminum or if it has magnesium in it?2. does it matter if they're anodized?3. is there a specific cleaner to prep the metal with first?4. what type of welding will be the most successful, mig, tig,gig or rig? It's all Greek to me.How thick must the metal be in order for the metal to retain it's integrity?5. is this a reasonable expectation?5. what am I missing other than my sanity?It's obviously a high stress point. So I'd like it done by an expert with this material ( my grandma said an expert is somebody from out of town ).Keith
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Reply:I'd be more inclined to re-design the Shock mount on the banshee than to Cut & Weld the mount on the Shock itself.Ed Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:Originally Posted by Broccoli1I'd be more inclined to re-design the Shock mount on the banshee than to Cut & Weld the mount on the Shock itself.
Reply:rkc--Apparently the warning label in your pic above--means nothing to you.*GAS FILLED*DO NOT OPEN*DO NOT HEATIOW--this is a high pressure nitrogen charged reservoir with seals and valves.(The mfg. actually might have good reason to post that warning label.)And you expect somebody to do high strength, full pen. welding on this animal,yet not heat it up?Do you have any idea of what can occur when welding on this part?I hope the 'experts' you consult do--for their own safety.The scope and level of questions, problems and inquiries to this forum is becomingincreasingly  regressive.Blackbird
Reply:I'm not an engineer, or know a damn thing about your type of vehicle, but it seems that changing a mount on a part that's designed to take force in a straight line is asking for trouble.Now, I'll go climb  back under my rock"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Originally Posted by dave powelsonrkc--Apparently the warning label in your pic above--means nothing to you.*GAS FILLED*DO NOT OPEN*DO NOT HEATIOW--this is a high pressure nitrogen charged reservoir with seals and valves.(The mfg. actually might have good reason to post that warning label.)And you expect somebody to do high strength, full pen. welding on this animal,yet not heat it up?Do you have any idea of what can occur when welding on this part?I hope the 'experts' you consult do--for their own safety.The scope and level of questions, problems and inquiries to this forum is becomingincreasingly  regressive.
Reply:Originally Posted by rkcDave slow down, please re-read my post! I printed in english that I'm taking them apart!
Reply:Originally Posted by dave powelsonKeith said: 'The way I want to mod them is to cut the eye let mount off and weld them at 90 deg from their present position. I think they're either cast aluminum or aluminum/magnesium alloy.I'm taking them apart first and pressing out the bearing.Cutting off the eye let should still leave enough material to work with.'Okay--so "taking them apart first" implies complete disassembly of the nitrogen reservoir and associated parts......not simply pressing the bearing out.If that's the case, the heat of welding can still change any close tolerance, machined details in the reservoir, the attachment bores, etc.
Reply:Originally Posted by rkcYou still need to take it down a notch there god. I can't help it if your fighting with your wife. Is there anyone who wants to talk about welding?
Reply:Originally Posted by rkc4. what type of welding will be the most successful, mig, tig,gig or rig? It's all Greek to me.
Reply:Originally Posted by dave powelsonOkay--Keith--since I didn't provide you with the answers you expect, you start flaming.Go ahead and consult with local welders, until you find one that's agreeable and be done with it.
Reply:I would say it is just cast aluminum. I guess I wouldnt have any gripe about welding them for you.
Reply:Originally Posted by rkctks,  That's not a option the frame shock mount can only pivot in it's current position. The only other option ( with these shocks) is to modify the upper a arms and I don't want to do that. Maybe we can talk about welding it hypothetically.
Reply:Originally Posted by rkcOKay--Dave--since you think way too highly of yourself I'll set you straight. Your one answer of my few questions probably won't effect my project (metal distortion) didn't move my blood pressure one point towards discouragement but, did move me to reprimand you for your selfish over reaction. And if you think that was flaming you live too close to San Francisco.
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55OK, so you've established you know nothing of the topic.NO!That's about it.rkc, One can only conclude you aren't looking for the right answer only the answer you want to hear.  You asked very valid questions and when you received three very logical answers you rejected them with sarcasm and disrespect.  Obviously your opening comment was merely blowing smoke in an attempt to get someone to tickle your ears with what you were hoping to hear.Step back and look at it again.  It just may be that you have to do what you don't want to and modify those upper A arms - hypothetically.Good luck.
Reply:Hope you don't go fast on that Banshee, when you get those welded for your sake.Miller Thunderbolt 225Millermatic 130 XPLincoln HD 100 Forney C-5bt Arc welderPlasma Cutter Gianteach Cut40ACent Machinery Bandsaw Cent Machinery 16Speed Drill PressChicago Electric 130amp tig/90 ArcHobart 190 Mig spoolgun ready