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Ive got a Millermatic 252, and it came with a tank of argoshield gp. Ive got .030 solid wire. This seems to produce an unbelievable amount of splatter. Would i be better off with blueshield, or something else? A guy i work with has the same setup with blueshield, and his does not spatter like mine does. All in all though, this setup is making beautiful welds, with great penetration.
Reply:Originally Posted by yammymanIve got a Millermatic 252, and it came with a tank of argoshield gp. Ive got .030 solid wire. This seems to produce an unbelievable amount of splatter. Would i be better off with blueshield, or something else? A guy i work with has the same setup with blueshield, and his does not spatter like mine does. All in all though, this setup is making beautiful welds, with great penetration.
Reply:What is the wire class, ER
Reply:The welder, liner tip and nozzle should all be good, its still brand new. I don't like the tip nozzle configuration, its setup I believe more for short arc welding, but ill get that changed in the future. The wire is solid arc wire, its cwb certified, good stuff. Ill get back to you on the mixtures of the gas, its not written on the tanks, so ill do some research on it. I know blueshield is some type of co and argon mix, not sure what ratio. Never heard of argoshield gp until I bought this welder, and it came with it.
Reply:Argoshield GP is 85/15, I'd assume argon/CO2.  They also have an Argoshield 75/25, I suppose you would have to ask for it....This info was found here...http://www.falcon.shawbiz.ca/boc.htmI will never understand why every company thinks they need thier own nifty name for a gas mix.  If they'd all just call them by what's in them, life would be so much easier.Last edited by Boostinjdm; 06-28-2009 at 03:43 AM.
Reply:Originally Posted by yammymanThe welder, liner tip and nozzle should all be good, its still brand new. I don't like the tip nozzle configuration, its setup I believe more for short arc welding, but ill get that changed in the future. The wire is solid arc wire, its cwb certified, good stuff. Ill get back to you on the mixtures of the gas, its not written on the tanks, so ill do some research on it. I know blueshield is some type of co and argon mix, not sure what ratio. Never heard of argoshield gp until I bought this welder, and it came with it.
Reply:I don't like the tip nozzle configuration, its setup I believe more for short arc welding, but ill get that changed in the future.
Reply:Originally Posted by yammymanThe welder, liner tip and nozzle should all be good, its still brand new. I don't like the tip nozzle configuration, its setup I believe more for short arc welding, but ill get that changed in the future. The wire is solid arc wire, its cwb certified, good stuff. Ill get back to you on the mixtures of the gas, its not written on the tanks, so ill do some research on it. I know blueshield is some type of co and argon mix, not sure what ratio. Never heard of argoshield gp until I bought this welder, and it came with it.
Reply:Lots of spatter, not getting enough gas coverage.  Shouldn't spatter near as much even if you have incorrect gas.Make sure you don't have any gas leaks before trying to switch gasses.MarkI haven't always been a nurse........Craftsman 12"x36" LatheEnco G-30B MillHobart Handler 175Lincoln WeldandPower 225 AC/DC G-7 CV/CCAdd a Foot Pedal to a Harbor Freight Chicago Electric 165A DC TIG PapaLion's Gate Build
Reply:Dumb question, any chance the gas diffuser or shield tip are clogged with spatter?That will screw-up the flow too.
Reply:Ok before we can help at all we need to know what exact wire you have, volts, wfs, thickness of steel gas flow rate. Some pics would help too. I weld on a 252 every day but with your funky gas mix and .030 wire I won't be able to give you exact numbers but I can get you close.
Reply:I got a little more info now. Wire is .030 er70s-6. Welder is still setup as delivered, Ive got my 220 plug all checked and fixed( had problems at first, believe they sold me a faulty setup, but it had a 4th wire they could swap for the bad one). Ive had the voltage set between 24.3 up till 26.5., with wire speed ranging from 420- 700. That obviously will make a difference, more speed, more spatter. Diffuser and shield tip are clear, ( im very picky about crap in there), and Ive got no leaks. As for welding process, Ive never worked on a machine like this, i guess whatever they normally set these up for with, is what Ive got.  Gas is set at about 18 cfh. I'll see if i can figure out a way to get pics on here. The way everything works, and the way the welds look, to me it just feels like the gas is not quite the right stuff. I got about 75 lbs of some .035 wire give to me today, might have to try it next week sometime, see if its any different. It has "no good" written on it, but ive used up others "no good" wire, and it worked perfecly fine. Usually these are wires that come from people that go through machine after machine, saying that the welders are not working right. They are partially right, they are just blaming the wrong welder! lol. Thanks for all the input so far.
Reply:Holy cow, what are you welding?  I run between 17and 19 volts and 240-325 on the wire using .035 er70s-6 and 75/25 gas.  I'll weld anywhere from 14ga to 3/8" with settings in those ranges.  Now before I get jumped....I have been using these settings for a long time,  when something breaks maybe I'll change.  Until then, these settings work well for me.
Reply:Originally Posted by yammymanI got a little more info now. Wire is .030 er70s-6. Welder is still setup as delivered, Ive got my 220 plug all checked and fixed( had problems at first, believe they sold me a faulty setup, but it had a 4th wire they could swap for the bad one). Ive had the voltage set between 24.3 up till 26.5., with wire speed ranging from 420- 700. That obviously will make a difference, more speed, more spatter. Diffuser and shield tip are clear, ( im very picky about crap in there), and Ive got no leaks. As for welding process, Ive never worked on a machine like this, i guess whatever they normally set these up for with, is what Ive got.  Gas is set at about 18 cfh. I'll see if i can figure out a way to get pics on here. The way everything works, and the way the welds look, to me it just feels like the gas is not quite the right stuff. I got about 75 lbs of some .035 wire give to me today, might have to try it next week sometime, see if its any different. It has "no good" written on it, but ive used up others "no good" wire, and it worked perfecly fine. Usually these are wires that come from people that go through machine after machine, saying that the welders are not working right. They are partially right, they are just blaming the wrong welder! lol. Thanks for all the input so far.
Reply:Ok, once I get my helmet at home ill try some lower voltages, but im used to welding fast, I like to get er done, if you know what i mean. At work I weld 16 gauge up to half inch, with voltages from 19-27.7, depending on which welder im using at the time. I don't think im too far off here at home though, seeing as the welds look great, hopefully i get a roll soon so i can try this .035 out.
Reply:Well, couldn't wait to get my helmet, so i made a few adjustments. I found out the gas was not at 18 when welding, so i cranked it up a bit, volts are at 24, wire speed 675. On the tubing, very little spatter, the flat bar had more, but was not excessive. Penetration was good on all. And be kind, these are with no helmet!! Attached Images
Reply:candy@$$! crank that thing as high as it goes  At an old job we used to weld 12g frames with 035 wire on a Millermatic 250 maxed out on wfs and volts....overhead. Good times. You would have better results with 98/2 and .035 wire. 80/20 is more of a short circuit gas than a spray gas and .030 is a little small for spraying with. These numbers may be a little off but I usually run 16g-3/16 carbon steel at 17.5-20v and 190-300ipm with .035 wire and 75/25 gas on the machine you are using. I would guess that I would add 30-50ipm for the smaller wire you have. Spray settings I'm clueless on with .030 wire and 80/20 gas.  I'd have to do it by feel. If there is any spatter turn the wire down or the volts up until it hums with maybe a tiny bit of sizzle here and there.
Reply:NO HELMET!!! That’s an immediate fail. The bead looks better, but it’s too hot, no dimes. The puddle looks to be in spray arc mode and will be difficult to control if not horizontal, could have problems with undercut and out of position welding.At 24 volts and WFS of 675, you are defiantly in spray arc mode.
Reply:Sorry for the late reply, my modem took off runnin, but i got it with the -06 at 300 yds !! lol. Thanks for all the input, shes hummin now, gonna get the .035 out one day and see how fast I can get er done! Good times!!!