Good reburbished retailers?

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I'm looking for a small flux or mig welder and was wondering if you guys have dealt with any online retailers that sell refurbished units?
Reply:I bought a factory refurb Suitcase feeder from Miller.  It was only slightly less expensive than a brand new one but was in practicaly brand new condition and carried the factory warranty.  They tried to get out of providing all the stuff the feeder was supposed to come with (torch and drive rolls) so the shop I bought it through had to fight with Miller about it untill they finally agreed to send the torch and drive rolls.  Looking back on the experience, I would not bother buying a refurb Miller machine again.  I didn't save very much money and had to go through alot of hassle and I would rather have just bought a new one and been done with it.MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:DR I remember you posting about that and that was pretty much a hassle for nothing.When you use your equipment to make your living it doesn't take all that many hrs to make up for the diff between new and used.I would never buy re-furb myself. It just seems too expensive. Used would be something I would think one can get their best deals on if you are savy. JMOMiller Dynasty 700Miller 350P with Aluma-pro push-pullMiller 280 Dynasty with expansion card Dynasty 200 DXMigMax 215 Enuff power and hand tools to create one of anything..... but mass produce nothing!!!
Reply:Yes, used is definately best.  My first Suitcase was an 8VS I bought used for $500.  Great deal, but someone else thought they needed it more than I did so it sneaked off in the night.  The 8RC I replaced it with, even though it was a refurb, was about $1300 before tax and extras, if I remember right.  A new one would have only been maybe $150 or $200 more and I could have had it in a matter of days instead of fooling around for weeks trying to get a torch!  I think the warranty is only 2 years on this refurb instead of 3 years with the new one.MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:I wasn't thinking factory refurb at first. I was thinking more on the lines of what Steve (7A749) here does. Used unit completely gone over and cleaned, any issues adressed and repaired. I picked up my VS feeder from a local shop that rebuilt it. It's nowhere near as nice as Steve's work, but it worked 100% mechanically, vs a gamble on someones used POS they were trying to unload. Just like a used car, I'd rather pay a bit more to have a pro go over the unit and find the issues, then get burned on some lemon just because I couldn't see the problem at first..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:My feeder was a Class A refurb, which is basicaly a next-to-new machine when they're done with it.  All new stickers, face plate and knobs are perfect like new, meter lense is perfect with a protective plastic cover over it just like the new machines, all clean like new in and out, no major scratches or damage, barely even any minor scratches.  It really was quite nice and I think of it as if it were a new machine.  If I didn't know it was a refurb, I wouldn't have guessed it wasn't new by it's condition.  Only bad thing was the hassling over the torch and drive rolls and only saved a tiny bit of money on it.MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op