Ontario Introprovincial Red Seal certificate qualify me to take the b pressure test?

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hey i just passed the red seal welder test in ontario. I was wondering if that would qualify me to take the b pressure test?Note: Im not a journeyman as far as i know. i was never a registered apprentice.If I am allowed to do the b presure test and pass, would a union or employer look at me the same as a journeyman with b pressure tickets?
Reply:I didn't know that the Red Seal certification was in effect in Ontario?Journeyman status is usually acquired after a 4 yr apprenticeship.I did and passed my TSSA P1 and P8 pressure pipe tests without any apprenticeship at all. I'm earning the same rate and doing the same jobs as a journeyman in a unionized industrial environment.Has this opportunity changed in Ontario?JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Reply:The Red Seal is the interprovincial ticket. At least for the other trades (mech/elec), which I have some direct experience with.
Reply:Originally Posted by snoeproeI didn't know that the Red Seal certification was in effect in Ontario?
Reply:Originally Posted by Black WolfTo the best of my knowledge (which is somewhat limited) I believe that the "Red Seal" Welder designation is used by the Provinces and Territories which chose to make Welding an Elective Trade as opposed to legislating it as a Compulsory Trade.I do know from First Hand experience that this is how Welding is accredited on Prince Edward Island as well....  The do not follow a formal Apprenticeship, but rather test to "Red Seal Standards" (Whatever THAT is???) and are recognized In-Province as a "Red Seal Welder"I am from Alberta, where Welding is a Compulsory Trade, so I completed the mandatory 4 Year Apprenticeship to Journeyman, and then wrote an Interprovincial Standards exam to get my Red Seal Endorsement so that my Alberta Journeyman Certificate is supposedly recognized Canada-Wide, except Quebec (Of Course)  Only AFTER earning my Journeyman Certificate, did I qualify to test for "B" Pressure Certificates.
Reply:In BC we have A, B, and C, and B pressure is not to be confused with your B ticket. B pressure can be obtained here once you have your B. You also cannot challenge the Red Seal (Inter provincial) until you've obtained your B. Upon completing your C schooling, you require 1000 hours in the field to have your C certification, and another 5000 hours before you can go back for your B. Then again I know of people working in Vancouver who have nothing more than a CWB certificate. It really depends on the employer's needs. I think of all the provinces the schooling in BC and AB are more similar to each other than any of the other provinces meaning very in depth and quite long. My C "Qualification" was 7 months and that's before your 1000 man hours for the certification. The ITA also recently changed the way apprentiships work here. No longer are there 4 year apprentiships in the traditional way where you go to school a couple weeks per year. Now when you've gone to school for the 7 months and have your C qualification you register as an apprentice at that time and considered an apprentice until you have your hours regardless of level. You can be a Journeyman C, Journeyman B and Journeyman A ticket pending on how far you want to take your schooling. At least that's my understanding of ITA's new system.
Reply:I'm curious though how one could have a "Red Seal" with no other levels or qualifications.... That just doesn't seem right. Forgive me if I'm confused. It would be really stupid if they were handing out "Red Seals" to people who've not invested the time for the actual education.
Reply:One thing that's consistent about welding in Canada is inconsistency. At the pulp/paper mill I work at, there are 10 welders in total. None of them (myself included) have red seal certification. As far as I know, welding is not even considered a trade in Ontario, it's considered a skill. We all have our TSSA pressure pipe tickets and from what we hear they are working at having our welders CBW plate certified. We are all paid the same as the journeyman millwrights and pipe fitters.JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Reply:Originally Posted by snoeproeAs far as I know, welding is not even considered a trade in Ontario, it's considered a skill. .
Reply:http://www.ellischart.ca/h.4m.2@-eng...=23#bm_trdchrtThis is the link to the Interprovincial Standard Red Seal Ellis Chart Home Page.From here, you can research ANY recognized Trade and see a side by side comparison between the various Provinces and Territories.  BC's Level 'B', and Level 'A' are also listed, as are Welder-Fitter, and Welder - Wire Process Operator to name a few.http://www.ellischart.ca/[email protected]?cid=3This is the link to the Master list for the Provincial and Territorial Apprenticeship Web Sites.You can research all the rules and regulations for your particular place of residence, or any place you are interested in relocating to.All the up to date, and accurate information is there.With that, I will bid you all a Good Night.Later,Jason
Reply:bump thought i would ask here instead of starting a new thread anyways,  i have 2 years working in shops and in the field as a welder, one of my co workers has his inter-provincial what do i need to get registered ? post secondary etc? im in ontario canada