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I was wondering if anyone knows about the quality of rods made in China. I have a chance to purchase some at a good price but it does not say CSA on the box. Can I use these rods. I am in Canada.Thanks
Reply:I would automatically assume the quality of those rods are the same as the quality of the chicom welders and everything else they make. An absolute waste of money, POS!Remember, you most often get what you pay for."Where's Stick man????????" - 7A749"SHHHHHH!! I sent him over to snag that MIC-4 while tbone wasn't looking!" - duaneb55"I have bought a few of Tbone's things unlike Stick-Man who helps himself" - TozziWelding"Stick-man"
Reply:x2... While the Chinese are perfectly capable to make high quality goods just like the rest of the world, much of their welding stuff has a hard earned bad reputation. I'd stay away from it.[Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:Ive read some pretty interesting corrosion articles that touch on the fact that China and other foreign countries produce a measurably lower quality of steel. I have seen some pretty terrible Chinese fittings and pipe myself so I could certainly entertain the argument that their filler rod would also be of low quality. to go even further, i have noticed alot of chinese tools are of a pretty craptastic quality. Ive seen some brand new chinese chainfalls let loose under moderate loads.
Reply:Ask any Drywall Contractor about Chinese Drywall.  If they take as much pride in their electrodes as they do their drywall; you have been warned.I offer three choices: Good, Fast, & Cheap. You may pick two.Hobart AC/DC StikMate LXHarbor Freight AD HoodHarbor Freight Industrial Chop SawDeVilbis 20 Gallon, 5 HP Compressor
Reply:Trying to save a buck just might get someone killed...Lead coated steel.  Yum!Buy American, or don't whine when you end up on the bread line.
Reply:I wouldn't use if it were free. Seriously.
Reply:Dam it!  Now you got me thinking; Chinese rods and Nuclear power.  Talk about a scary scenario.
Reply:Though I myself wouldn't use chinese sticks like these, you may want to realize majoirty of the tungsten electrodes produced comes from that side of the world.
Reply:Originally Posted by OldtimerI wouldn't use if it were free. Seriously.
Reply:Remember the multi story building that fell in China, and one of the walls was filled with garbage instead of concrete.Think about the stadium roofs that have collapsed in the USA then. Failure to install ALL of the bolts on the drawing.About the electrodes.Do they conform to ISO 9000 ,aws, astm standards? Anything?Can you read anything on the package? /is there any english on the package?Make sure the welding electrodes conform to some kind of standards that you can verify.BTW ESAB makes welding consumables in China.Caterpillar tractor has plants all over the world.Last edited by Donald Branscom; 04-02-2011 at 12:50 PM.AWS certified welding inspectorAWS certified welder
Reply:you get what you pay for
Reply:Thanks for the input, it has been a real eye opener, I think i will pass on the cheap rods for now.
Reply:I was looking at electrodes today at Tractor Supply.Hobart brand are made in taiwan.A while back I wanted to try some 1/16  6013,lws didn't stock it.I bought some at HF.(made in china)Came in sealed plastic package that said "dry before use".Miller a/c-d/c Thunderbolt XLMillermatic 180 Purox O/ASmith Littletorch O/AHobart Champion Elite
Reply:I tried some Chinese 6011 and they stunk like sewage, no joke. I have had my fill of Chinese junk (isn't that what they call their ships?) Harbor Fright included. My brother in law wanted to go to Harbor Fright today, I said I'll wait in the truck.Miller Challenger 172Miller Thunderbolt AC/DC 225/150Miller Maxstar 150 STLVictor 100CVictor JourneymanOxweld OAHarris O/ASmith O/A little torchNo, that's not my car.
Reply:"1998 was a year of expansion, acquisition and product development for Lincoln Electric. In the global arena, Lincoln Electric opened an electrode plant in Shanghai, China "Hmmmmm
Reply:Originally Posted by bigbI tried some Chinese 6011 and they stunk like sewage, no joke. I have had my fill of Chinese junk (isn't that what they call their ships?) Harbor Fright included. My brother in law wanted to go to Harbor Fright today, I said I'll wait in the truck.
Reply:Originally Posted by bigbI tried some Chinese 6011 and they stunk like sewage, no joke. I have had my fill of Chinese junk (isn't that what they call their ships?) Harbor Fright included. My brother in law wanted to go to Harbor Fright today, I said I'll wait in the truck.
Reply:Originally Posted by Donald BranscomThe Chinese have been sailing for 400 years and have made some real innovations.I do not know about the quality of their welding consumables,but I can tell you this...Some of their ship loading cranes have collapsed. It do not if they were the same as the ones installed in Oakland,Ca and shipped here on special tankers. I guess they got a deal on them?Also some large valves made for steam generation plants were shipped here and tested, and they blew up.
Reply:China is a country of shady men making shady products and a far cry from the romantic image that much of the world has of their past.  Last year I saw a photo article of a bridge that was falling apart because the contractor has used garbage as a filler in the cement in place of gravel because he ran out.  China has had numerous products come here that have been contaminated with various chemicals and if you look back over the last 6 or 7 years you will find this out.
Reply:But their food is sooo good!!!Ya know how when you eat chinese food, and 1/2 hour later you're hungry again.And when you eat Italian food, and a month later you're hungry again!!!"Where's Stick man????????" - 7A749"SHHHHHH!! I sent him over to snag that MIC-4 while tbone wasn't looking!" - duaneb55"I have bought a few of Tbone's things unlike Stick-Man who helps himself" - TozziWelding"Stick-man"
Reply:Originally Posted by Big65moparChina is a country of shady men making shady products and a far cry from the romantic image that much of the world has of their past.  Last year I saw a photo article of a bridge that was falling apart because the contractor has used garbage as a filler in the cement in place of gravel because he ran out.  China has had numerous products come here that have been contaminated with various chemicals and if you look back over the last 6 or 7 years you will find this out.
Reply:Originally Posted by Donald BranscomRemember the multi story building that fell in China, and one of the walls was filled with garbage instead of concrete.Think about the stadium roofs that have collapsed in the USA then. Failure to install ALL of the bolts on the drawing.About the electrodes.Do they conform to ISO 9000 ,aws, astm standards? Anything?Can you read anything on the package? /is there any english on the package?Make sure the welding electrodes conform to some kind of standards that you can verify.BTW ESAB makes welding consumables in China.Caterpillar tractor has plants all over the world.
Reply:Originally Posted by Donald BranscomAlso some large valves made for steam generation plants were shipped here and tested, and they blew up.
Reply:Originally Posted by welds4dYou're exactly right. I work in the electric power industry, and we have found counterfiet bolts from China as well. They have all the markings of high strength bolts, but are made of garbage steel. I wouldn't trust a Chinese welding rod as far as I can throw it, regardless of whether it has "Certifications" or not.The Chinese are famous for cheating in everything they do.I have enough us made rods to last till hell freezes over.
Reply:Is it really worth the money you intend to save? I mean come on Hobart or forney are pretty cheap compared to Lincoln or esab. I would stick with what I know.Miller Pro 30068 SA 20064 SAF 300305 G Lincoln gasserMiller 210