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http://weldingcertification.com/ I'm looking into thisStangnetShop Full Of Stuff. Joey
Reply:What is this?    If it's what it look's do you need to be ticketed?Stephen
Reply:That is an odd site.  I wonder if a CWI would accept a badge with a cert number on it..Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom.
Reply:i'm not sure just how legit that is, i got an email back and basically you send them around $300 and the send you the metal, already tacked in place, you weld it and send it back, they certify you if it's good...StangnetShop Full Of Stuff. Joey
Reply:I'm not expert on the process of certification.  But I have found the old saying that "If it looks too good to be true..."  They may be legit, but I would do some research on the group before I dropped 300 bucks...heck, that's 3/4 of the price of the MIG welder I would like to buy!
Reply:If that's the set up don't do it. For it to be the real thing you have to have someone 'supervising' you when you do the weld.  Over here it's cheaper than that to do it properly so I couldn't imagine it's any different in the states, have a look through your phone book.Stephen
Reply:Notice that the email address is a hotmail account.  Hotmail should never be a primary contact for a business.  If it is a state opperated school it should have an edu address.  I work in a university and we are constantly running across bogus programs for cetrification for practically anything under the sun.  I would check with someone from a metal workers union to see what they think or would suggest.  They might be a legit business with no real credibility with the folks in the business.  If that's the case the certs will be of no real value anyway.  You can also check to see if they are registered with that state's Secretary of State.  That is where all businesses are incorporated and if the school is for-profit and registered, the Sec. of State will have info on them.
Reply:Originally Posted by wirehuntIf that's the set up don't do it. For it to be the real thing you have to have someone 'supervising' you when you do the weld.  Over here it's cheaper than that to do it properly so I couldn't imagine it's any different in the states, have a look through your phone book.Stephen
Reply:Hello, I would like to clear up any misconceptions about CWT National Certification Bureau to answer some questions posted on your forum about CWT BUREAU 1. The badge is required when Inspecting state and government projects also the badge is a level of achievement with recognition, it serves to identify Authority you can trust.2.CWT Bureau's biggest misconception stems from it looks to good to be true, but the companies and welders that we have certified find that CWT Bureau makes the process of certification seem simple that's because we are experts in the field, misconceptions stem from lack of knowledge in the certification field, if you don't believe that CWT Bureau can certify welders then ask a welding engineer to verify this for you, CWT Bureau has certified thousands of welders for large and small business for all kinds of welding projects and never has a project engineer or government official refused to accept a single certification as legit EVER.3. The setup that you say is not legit. is false the welder is supervised by the authorized rep. that signs the affidavit certifying that the weld was performed by the individual requesting certification.4. The hotmail email account was set up to provide a quicker response to emails sent to CWT Bureau of course you can send email to our corporate account [email protected] all certifications come with a 100% guarantee, CWT Bureau is not a school CWT is a accredited certification agency, community colleges cannot certify welders legitimately because they are not a accredited certification agency, CWT Bureau grants and issues accreditation to college's who want to certify welders, of course it is difficult for individuals who have limited knowledge of the business of certification to make a intelligent decision on what is real and is not you should seek professional advice if you have doubts. weldingcertification.comCWT Bureau National Director / Certification Chairman
Reply:anyone interested in weldingcertification.com  check out our frequently asked questions page @ www.weldingcertification.com/faq.htm
Reply:Originally Posted by cwtbureau... CWT Bureau is not a school CWT is a accredited certification agency, community colleges cannot certify welders legitimately because they are not a accredited certification agency, CWT Bureau grants and issues accreditation to college's who want to certify welders, ...
Reply:I don't know how it works over there but here in oz the government controls all our classification's you start a Apprenticeship when you finsh you are classed as a 1st class welder /boilermaker/bodybuilder depending on which trade you work in for welding I did my trade as a 1st class welder I have work as a boilermaker (alot of companys over here call welders boilermakers )and I work as a bodybuilder now and have done for over 20 yrs the company I work for we have to be bodybuilders for the work we do we very rarely build new truck bodys but because we work on very part of the trucks the law deems we are bodybuilders and as such we had to get that ticket to say sowhich is not as easy as it sounds you have to give your work history for the last so many years and if you did your trade outside of which class you what if there not happy you have to go and do a test to prove you now your tradeCreative metal Creative metal Facebook
Reply:Originally Posted by MAC702Mr. National Director/Chairman:You are accredited by whom?  And is this the same accreditation organization that accredits schools/certifiers like Lincoln Electric and Hobart Schools?You say colleges are not accredited, and then you say that you provide accreditation services for colleges.  Which is it?  Are you the only ones who provide accreditation for colleges?  Oh wait, they're not accredited?Hey, you might still be legit.  But you haven't made the case, yet.  Who accredited your spelling/punctuation classes?
Reply:I prefer to hand them my money as they are handing me my cert.....but then that's just me.
Reply:After you send them the money , how bout buying my  bridge . big  money maker . Connects Marin county to San Francisco. It's called the "Golden Gate Bridge ". you may have heard of it .
Reply:The proof of legitimacy can't come from employees/officials within the CWT, but should come from a recognized third party...maybe a government agency or a trade organization that recomends of uses their services. My suggestion about contacting the State's Sec. of State provides the bare minumum of info on a firm, but will at least confirm the firm's existence outside of a website.Smithboy...if it ain't broke, you ain't tryin'.
Reply:Good lord, if they at least want the site to be half-believable, they should hire out someone to make it look professional...as opposed to cheesy. I agree with MAC, his spelling is atrocious! Something I always like to see when sending $300 to a "National Director/Certification Chairman". John -  fabricator extraordinaire, car nut!-  bleeding Miller blue! http://www.weldfabzone.com
Reply:Welders can go to a CWT Bureau test site facility where certification tests are administered, certification test sites are available in all states throughout the U.S.weldingcertification.com
Reply:Well, now that all of our concerns/questions have been addressed, I feel much better now.
Reply:Just out of curiousity, Where in GA?Smithboy...if it ain't broke, you ain't tryin'.
Reply:Originally Posted by welloI don't know how it works over there but here in oz the government controls all our classification's you start a Apprenticeship
Reply:I'm certified thru the Cwt Bureau, my certification is recognized nationally, and accepted for any job that i have ever applied for, this company is legit, and the certifcation that i have is one of the best certifications that i have ever owned. I really don't have much to say about this, but i do want to add that if u are a welder, and you don't have 300 dollars to spend to get certified, you might want to look into getting a real certification like the one i have received from the CWT Bureau and get a job making better money like me. I'm glad to say,  that I make plenty of money per week because of this certification and i could pay to get certified every week for 300 dollars and still pay all of my bills and etc..  i also would like to mention that most of you guys probably couldn't pass a welding test, or you are not sure if you want to risk spending 300 dollars and failing the test. Maybe you should seek a job doing other things.. One other thing. For the people talking about spelling errors and etc, as you know most welders don't type much, or write many letters, and more than likely they didn't finish High School or they wouldn't be in this profession, how immature is it to sit and try to find errors of someones typing and knock them for it. But then again, it's probably the guys that i used to take their lunch money in school, now i just take their spouse, then they cry.
Reply:You're certifiable, all right...
Reply:Originally Posted by BigBankHankOne other thing. For the people talking about spelling errors and etc, as you know most welders don't type much, or write many letters, and more than likely they didn't finish High School or they wouldn't be in this profession...
Reply:Originally Posted by BigBankHank...my certification is recognized nationally, and accepted for any job that i have ever applied for,...Can't help but wonder what the relationship is between BigBankHank and cwtbureau.  One and the same I wonder?????  If so, interesting advertising tactics to say the least . . . . .   Sure makes me want to go send them $300!
Reply:LOL, this is funny, I'm just another certified welder, and just so happens im certified thru this bureau.. I was just letting the people that was wondering about it know my situation.. Not trying to pick fights or anything like that, but seems to be alot of dissing towards this bureau and i thought i would say something, instead of letting the bureau get "Jumped" by people that don't know anything about certifications to begin with.
Reply:I would also like to mention, that when you purchase something online, you pay for it then the "seller" whoever that may be sends it, Only thing that i can think of that you pay COD is when you order a pizza or something like that.. If companies sold things to people and mailed them to them first them asked for their money, do you actually think they would get it ? Use your brain, or is it the welding fumes that have gotten to you?Last edited by BigBankHank; 06-09-2006 at 10:17 PM.
Reply:Originally Posted by lotechmanFrom my experience a great shortcoming with the American system is that anyone can claim to be anything.  In Commonwealth countries there is a tradition of training and apprenticeships that goes back to the middle ages.  ( London City Guilds is an example)    Only now is the AWS attending to this shortfall with certification or welders and fabrication shops.  It is my belief that some individuals see an opportunity and profit to take part in this certification process.     If I earn a "C" level welders certification it is good across Canada.  My journeyman fabricators papers again with the "Red Seal" attached is recognized across the country.  Only provincial government authorities are able to certify tradespeople.  As soon as you get private interests involved there is always the risk of graft and corruption.  Maybe some would consider those strong words but there is too little ethics when the dollar is involved.
Reply:info: SOME Jr. colleges have weld instructors who can test you, and give you papers to submit to the A W S for certs, that can be renewed every 6 months on the cheap.
Reply:Ditto, Mac- i think we agree on something. I wonder how many guys who are "welders " could pass a good plate test - like the navy  110-18 stick test  -xray 2 plates 7/8ths thick ,single v-but . 1 verticle , 1 overhead with hy 80 steel. ? 1/8th" electrode for root , the rest with 5/32
Reply:I may find myself a real welder, let him weld the part for me, send it off with my 300 and who is to know?
Reply:Right , you said it . Who is to know? that is why it's so phoney sounding . Even if the test is done by the person who wants the cert, whats to keep him (or her) from doing it   F L A T  ?   - that's easy - for anybody who has some welding ability .
Reply:Originally Posted by BigBankHankI'm certified thru the Cwt Bureau, my certification is recognized nationally, and accepted for any job that i have ever applied for, this company is legit, and the certifcation that i have is one of the best certifications that i have ever owned. I really don't have much to say about this, but i do want to add that if u are a welder, and you don't have 300 dollars to spend to get certified, you might want to look into getting a real certification like the one i have received from the CWT Bureau and get a job making better money like me. I'm glad to say,  that I make plenty of money per week because of this certification and i could pay to get certified every week for 300 dollars and still pay all of my bills and etc..  i also would like to mention that most of you guys probably couldn't pass a welding test, or you are not sure if you want to risk spending 300 dollars and failing the test. Maybe you should seek a job doing other things.. One other thing. For the people talking about spelling errors and etc, as you know most welders don't type much, or write many letters, and more than likely they didn't finish High School or they wouldn't be in this profession, how immature is it to sit and try to find errors of someones typing and knock them for it. But then again, it's probably the guys that i used to take their lunch money in school, now i just take their spouse, then they cry.
Reply:Didn't finish high school...don't type...can't spell....don't really know anything about certifications.....Big Bank sure knows how to win over an audience. Insult the crap outta them and then dazzle them with???????? Wait....I was neither dazzled nor convinced....but I was a little insulted. I finished high school...have several college credits....can spell and know quite a bit about some certs I have held in the past....and could hold again if I wanted to. I own my own business and do quite well for myself. Kinda like a lot of guys you just besmirched.I believe you assume way too much. I have held several certs, as have many here. Just because you have a piece of paper doesn't mean squat in the real world. They will still test you, regardless of who you are and where your papers are from. If you can produce, great...if not you are down the road. THAT is the real world where certs are required. Most do it in house or have someone come it to do it....and when you go to the next one, you do it all over again...and again in six months. And in the real world, I know of plenty of places that require certs and still pay less than 10 bucks an hour. Papers sure got them a better paying job.
Reply:Don, no use trying to hide it anymore.  You're an illiterate pig wallowing in his own ignorance.Oh, by the way, can I have a job?  You should know I have no papers...  I hear I can get some for $300, though.  Can you front me the first check?
Reply:Aren't we all, though??? It is amazing we can make it through the day without maiming ourselves from tripping over our own ignorance. I am paperless as well, now. Don't need them at the moment. Besides, I don't need to have a piece of paper to tell me I can weld....esp since I am doing it nearly every week. Mac, I just faxed you a check. I made it for three thousand dollars. Take your three hundred out of it and send me the balance.
Reply:Originally Posted by DDA52Didn't finish high school...don't type...can't spell....don't really know anything about certifications.....Big Bank sure knows how to win over an audience. Insult the crap outta them and then dazzle them with???????? Wait....I was neither dazzled nor convinced....but I was a little insulted. I finished high school...have several college credits....can spell and know quite a bit about some certs I have held in the past....and could hold again if I wanted to. I own my own business and do quite well for myself. Kinda like a lot of guys you just besmirched.
Reply:I could...but I choose to actually use my money for things that are actually worth something.  My new portable Walrus polishing kit should be arriving soon. Loads of fun soon to follow.
Reply:Okay, you should be alright, I'd maybe keep an eye on the spouse though just in case. I hate to see welders cry. There's no crying in welding.
Reply:Big***hank said "bureau get "Jumped" by people that don't know anything about certifications to begin with."  There are MANY people here who are properly certified, they WORKED for their certs.  I hope that I never buy anything, upon which my life or safety depends, welded my a mail order certified weldor.For $300 I can be 'The Reverend Pentawelder PHD'.Somebody has to say it  "Badges, don't need no stinkin' Badges".Last edited by Pentawelder; 06-10-2006 at 02:14 AM.My angle grinder is my best friend!
Reply:Originally Posted by Roy HodgesRight , you said it . Who is to know? that is why it's so phoney sounding . Even if the test is done by the person who wants the cert, whats to keep him (or her) from doing it   F L A T  ?   - that's easy - for anybody who has some welding ability .
Reply:You can most definately tell if someone has welded flat/vertical/overhead. Well i guess not everyone (Roy Hodges can't obviousely)
Reply:Does anyone remember Peter Styversant or Peter Minuet of Dutch fame regarding the sale of Manhattan for 24$ and trinkets???Well, this just the inverse of getting more than your money's worth because with this, you get your trinkets worht at best!!! Btw, what does "AL-BM 0#1A" signify on the so-called badge???Anyone can order one of those 'Badges"  ...Respectfully,SSBN727P.S. Good to se you fella's here: Gerald, TexRedneck!!! Last edited by SSBN727; 06-10-2006 at 02:46 AM."Run Silent...  Run Deep!!!
Reply:Originally Posted by spuddownOkay, you should be alright, I'd maybe keep an eye on the spouse though just in case. I hate to see welders cry. There's no crying in welding.
Reply:Originally Posted by lotechman  Only provincial government authorities are able to certify tradespeople.  As soon as you get private interests involved there is always the risk of graft and corruption.  Maybe some would consider those strong words but there is too little ethics when the dollar is involved.
Reply:Oh and that badge is a hoot.I made my own out of cardboard, tin foil, glue and some glitter. It's really special.JTMcC.
Reply:[QUOTE=DDA52]  I dunno about that. When I welding the truck frame the other day, I was just about crying. I was welding the bottom and shifted my weight while sitting flat on the ground..When I raised my butt up a little, it allowed the biggest BB in the place to roll under my butta and burn through my jeans and drawers! Got a burn almost the size of a dime on my butt.......I almost cried then.  And again when I did it again about ten minutes later. .....Does that count? Or do I need to read Ed Craig's work front to back in repentance? Maybe a little crying, your just not supposed to talk about it. I really hate those red BBs. I wear carhartt bibs and I'll get them down my neck, I suck in my chest hoping they will cool, then suck in my gut hoping they will cool, once they get to my waist though, its like the stateline, you just have to slap them with your hand and let em burn out. You never let them cross the stateline.
Reply:Below the state line and I'll be bawling like a baby!   That is somewhere fire has no business being! OK, I'll stop yelling when I sit on BB's.....It will be difficult, but I'll try.
Reply:Obviously big bunk hunk wouldn't even recognise a REAL test plate if it fell on him. I know i've passed more tests than him, &probably before he was alive . A private company is going to pass  or fail on their whims , not trying to guess was it done flat or overhead . HAS he ever taken a 3n10 monel test overhead ?