How to weld on stake pockets

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I should have taken pictures, but for now the question is that I have these thin weld on stake pockets, have tacked them on using 3/32 7018 on an 180 A/C machine.Now my question is, what is best to try vertical up or vertical down with this rod and what setting, I am not bad flat, but this is a hobby so don't have much experience with different positions, last took welding over 37 or so years ago, so am thinking better to ask before I screw up.
Reply:"thin weld on stake pockets"?  A picture would help a lot.Rick V 1 Airco Heliwelder 3A/DDR3 CTC 70/90 amp Stick/Tig Inverters in Parallel1 Lincoln MIG PAK 151 Oxy-Acet
Reply:I would weld vertical up at about 70-90 amps with that rod. I am more worried about the thickness of the pockets. Rick is right, Have a picture of them?
Reply:I will post one when I get home and take a picture.
Reply:Are these the type that mount on the outside of a trailer frame?  Most of them are to thin in my opinion, ours are all bent up from hooking straps or binders into them. They are also meant to have a heavy strap of flat stock mounted on the outside for a rub rail this also adds a lot of strength. Anyway uphill will be better but downhill will still probably be stronger then the pockets themselves. If you are putting on a strap     hold it down a bit from the top of the pocket so you have a small fillet weld instead of a butt of the two edges. Can't recommend settings though, the pocket will be much thinner then the trailer frame so concentrate most of the heat there and then wash it onto the pocket to prevent burn through. Also there is nothing wrong with setting up a few test pieces to get your settings correct before you weld on the real thing.KenLast edited by KGIOR; 10-05-2010 at 08:23 PM.
Reply:Okay, here are the pictures as promised, they appear to be a little under 1/8" thick.
Reply:never mind about the pockets, i want to know how you managed to kill the grass and then bring it back to life all in one photo shoot
Reply:Originally Posted by rusty ripplenever mind about the pockets, i want to know how you managed to kill the grass and then bring it back to life all in one photo shoot
Reply:My lawn is slowly recovering from a dry summer, some has come back with a vengeance but some spots are still dry, in fact some slag dropped and was glowing pretty good, was worried I would end up with a small fire.
Reply:You have to weld vertical up with 7018.   The stake pockets are thin but you can keep the heat mostly on the heavier steel you are welding to.However welding vertical up with 7018 on AC is tough to do well.  A DC welder would work much better.  Another option is to turn the trailer on it's side and weld it flat.  This may be your best option with your welder and experience."The reason we are here is that we are not all there"SA 200Idealarc TM 300 300MM 200MM 25130a SpoolgunPrecision Tig 375Invertec V350 ProSC-32 CS 12 Wire FeederOxweld/Purox O/AArcAirHypertherm Powermax 85LN25
Reply:agreed with what norite said. how much are these things holding back? im guessing your putting sides on the trailer using these? you would be surprised of the welds i have seen hold a lot of stress. take your time try to get some 3/16" material and practice a little to get settings right and get a good feel of travel speed, work angle, ect. PS. when you use a tape measure for something like this start at the one inch line and go from there the end is always off by a little most of the time off by a 1/32nd or so making it a little more difficult to read smaller numbers. hope this info helps.
Reply:Thanks guys, all good input, and it is funny about putting the trailer on it's side, have done that on other things when I have had to in order to do a nice weld.Might be an idea.And yes, I want to put sides on or off as I need them, better when hauling dirt or gravel, rather than using my truck for it as I do now.
Reply:I would personally set my machine too 100amps and run downhand. Yes downhand with 7018 is possible, and is a widely used practice on many pipe procedures.
Reply:Originally Posted by Pressure_WelderI would personally set my machine too 100amps and run downhand. Yes downhand with 7018 is possible, and is a widely used practice on many pipe procedures.
Reply:Had a maintanence worker at the plant I used to work at griping an bitchin' about how this cheap *** company wouldn't even buy him good rods to run. He was having a hard time with his welds and they looked like crap. He was trying to run E7018 1/8" downhill. He never got it and I just didn't have the heart to tell him that he didn't know what the hell he was doing. Those maint. guys did not want a line supervisor telling them how to weld!   I've heard guys say that they can do it but never saw it happen. I've tried but all I got out of it was a good laugh and some BAD looking welds.Last edited by goinssr; 10-07-2010 at 10:01 PM.StephenMillermatic 251Miller Syncrowave 200Miller 30A SpoolgunHypertherm Powermax 30Etc., etc., etc.............Cancer Sucks!
Reply:of course its possible and works very well if you know what your doing. I have a pressure ticket that allows for a d/h hotpass and fill with 7018. I also use it extensively in the boiler. Once they do ultrasonic testing on the tubes to check for wear we are required to do whats called pad welding on those tubes that are below tolerences. Some of the wall thickness's on these tubes are sometimes less than 1/16" and still holding 2000 psi, quite amazing really. But theirs no way your running an uphand bead to build that back up so we're required to make multiple layers of downhand beads generally over 3/4 of the circumference of the pipe, sometimes in streches as long as 5' of the pipe. Generally this takes place where the soot blowers are " mechanisms that inject coal into the boiler " essentially their sandblasters to piping. The main reason people dontt think it works is because their running too cold, 3/32" 7018 run at 100 amps, it requires a slight weave and let the slag run away from the puddle dont panic and dont run past the slag!  try it
Reply:Originally Posted by Pressure_Welderof course its possible and works very well if you know what your doing. I have a pressure ticket that allows for a d/h hotpass and fill with 7018. I also use it extensively in the boiler. Once they do ultrasonic testing on the tubes to check for wear we are required to do whats called pad welding on those tubes that are below tolerences. Some of the wall thickness's on these tubes are sometimes less than 1/16" and still holding 2000 psi, quite amazing really. But theirs no way your running an uphand bead to build that back up so we're required to make multiple layers of downhand beads generally over 3/4 of the circumference of the pipe, sometimes in streches as long as 5' of the pipe. Generally this takes place where the soot blowers are " mechanisms that inject coal into the boiler " essentially their sandblasters to piping. The main reason people dontt think it works is because their running too cold, 3/32" 7018 run at 100 amps, it requires a slight weave and let the slag run away from the puddle dont panic and dont run past the slag!  try it