Tips for a girl coming into the welding field?

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I started welding a year ago in the 9t grade and I fell in love with it, the teacher even told me I had a knack for it. Our school offers an internship through another company,at the time I was 15 so I couldn't get involved, but now that I've turned 16 the teacher has sent my information to the internship coordinator and I have to wait until a spot opens up to start. I was extremely excited at first, and I still am now, but I'm worried about being a young girl in a mans world and doing a mans job. I know this is what I really want to do for the rest of my life, but I have to say I'm REALLY nervous. This will be my first job expirence ever. I'm not going to let the gender ratio stop me from persuing what I really want to do, but I'll admit in terrifyed nobody will ever take me seriously because of my age and gender. I need ALL the advice and tips I can get, if you could share your expirences i'd really appreciate it too. I apologize for the long post.
Reply:Let your welds do the talking.   Get good at what u do and it will be recognized.    I would say talk to some women welders about their experiences.   there are a few around here.  Shoveln has A gal working for him.  Maybe you could PM him and see if you could set up a phone call to chat with her some time...here are a couple links that are worth reading for youhttp://www.arc-zone.com/blog/carmene...ding-champion/http://www.careersinwelding.com/indi...ails.php?id=12http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obam...y-welding-jobsAmerican Welding Society also has scholarships specifically for women interested in a welding careerTiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:Good for you, and glad to hear about your enthusiasm. Women are a lot gentler and have more finesse then men which makes them great welders. They have a lot more of a delicate feel for things. But on the flip side the trade needs grunts if you are planning on working in a heavy iron field, so that could be a little challenging for a young girl at times. Just being honest. Guys are jerks to work with hands down, even if you are a guy LOL, but carry yourself confident and stern, but at the same time open minded to learn from them, and you should fit in just fine in short time. Best of luck!  I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:Be a professional and continue to do good work. Thats all that matters.Hobart Stickmate LX235AC/160DCRanger 305GVictor 315 O/A rigHope to acquire in the next couple of years: Hypertherm PM45 and Dynasty 200DX
Reply:Tips? GO FOR IT!XMT304 (school)SP125+ (home)HF 4x6 BandsawGood judgement comes from experience and much of that comes from bad judgement.
Reply:I have worked with a few women pipe fitters (she fitters as their brothers called them), boilermakers, and dock builders. Biggest things I've noticed besides their nice welds is they have thick skin. ^like he said we are hard to work with. Good luck. Sent from my MB886 using Tapatalk 2
Reply:I wouldn't worry too much about the gender thing being this is coming thru school. If you do have any problems get in touch with the school and I can guarantee they will get things straightened out.  Note that at your age, chances are you probably won't be doing a ton of welding and "hazardous stuff". I know where I used to work no one under 18 could use any power tools by state law. That means you may end up doing "step and fetch it" work, or shop clean up. It may have nothing to do with your gender, only your age. Your counselor can tell you what the law will or will not allow them to let you do in the shop.Keep in mind, a bit of good natured ribbing is par for the course. As long as it stays that way, don't let it get to you. Usually people are just trying to push your buttons and see if you can put up with the stress and strain. If it goes to far, just tell them to drop it. If they don't let management and the school know. We had fun with the bosses nephew when he worked the summer for us. We "beat" him up pretty good because he was pretty cocky and wanted to play know it all. ( we nick named him "Rooster" because he was so cocky ) Once he learned to listen and not get upset at every little joke, he did just fine and he didn't get as much crap from us. Almost every low man on the totem pole goes thru this at some point. Roo laughs about all of this now when he looks back and realizes what an azz he was back then...I will say all the women I know who fab or weld are all "tough broads". By that I don't mean they are linebackers or biker babes, only that most are very self confident and won't take $hit from anyone. They can dish it out as well as take it. Once people realize this, there's seldom any issues. You will have to "prove" yourself, and probably do it over and over thru life, but then again most successful people usually do no matter what sex they are.Keep your eyes open and your mouth shut. Work hard and don't be a slacker and you will get the respect of most people in the trades. Expect there will be those who you will never win over. Deal with it and move on, don't dwell on it, that's just part of life. It's their problem, not yours.Probably your biggest issue will be with people being "condescending" to you. Chivalry isn't dead no matter what many think. Lots of times guys will naturally try to "help" women. Don't be rude or have a  chip on your shoulder about it. Thank them and tell them you are fine and you'll be happy to ask when you need help. Don't let them push you aside though. Ask if you can at least try 1st, if you can't, don't be afraid to ask for help or suggestions. Show them you are a hard worker. Naturally there are probably things that you can't do guys can physically, that would apply to anyone though. If you are small in stature, then maybe you fit in places large people can't and can reach things that they couldn't.The young ladies in the day school program at the tech school usually do quite well. They have "something to prove" and it usually means they work harder than they guys often do. Good luck..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Hello clovermoses,I completely understand your concerns having been there myself, I was just 10 years older than you when I began my welding career about...well several years ago ;-) When I first walked into the Mill as a new apprentice, I was scared to death of what I would encounter and have to deal with. That being said however, my fears were mostly unfounded and I was treated very well.There are a few things that I noticed that made my experience easier than some of the women in the other trades (I was the only female welder apprentice in the history of that Mill) that I am happy to pass on to make your life easier.#1. Be coachable. Listen to instruction and try every approach you are given. There are many methods to get the job done, try each one suggested and find the method that works for you. The guys will offer all kinds of tips of the trade, and each will try to convinse you their's is best. Even if you know it's not for you, make an effort and try it. The saying "you have to work twice as hard to be considered half as good" is true. Hone those skills and no one can touch you. Everyone knows women have better hand-eye coordination with regards to welding, they just aren't willing to admit it - so you have to prove it - they just still wont admit it ;-)#2. You will be hit on, and rumors will fly about you and every "friend" you make in the shop. Do not let it bother you. You will learn quickly who is genuinely friendly and who is just looking to be part of the rumor mill. It is the nature of the beast. Men are worse than a sewing circle when it comes to gossip, just do not let it get you down.#3. Become a duck - as in let it all roll down your back. You will get some **** talking directed at you. Every misogynist will let you know exactly what they think about women in the trades, but it is only a response to their own insecurity.#4 Become a duck part deaux. Many will try to push your buttons, and if they get a reaction those buttons will be pushed at every opportunity to get a reaction out of you. It is  a form of entertainment to set the girl off and watch her get upset/pissed off at what ever does the trick. The sooner you can become unresponsive to it the sooner they will no longer try. If it gets to the point where the waterworks will kick in - leave the area and collect yourself somewhere that the boys wont see.#5 Don't wear make up. My reasoning for this is twofold: a) you will get dirty and sweaty and makeup just makes a mess, and b) I noticed the women who wore full face make up were given a much harder time. I wore my mascara every day, but other than that just chapsick/carmex. #6. Assimilate to the best of your ability. You are not there to change anyone's mind about anything - it wont work and will only backfire on you (see #3) It does take an extraordinary amount of personal strength to deal with the social aspects of the trade, but it is well worth it. With time you will earn their respect through your abilities and perseverance, gaining new brothers for life.I had an old-timer Journeyman who had spent 40 yrs in the plant and had seen it all. He caught me in one of those particularly difficult moments dealing with the guys and he said something to me that I have carried with me since. He told me "Hang in there little sister, it will get easier, 'cause I remember a time when they didn't want us (AA's) here either." It certainly put things in perspective for me. The women who came before me had it rougher than I did, and the women coming in behind me will have it easier for me being there. Cheers little sister and feel free to PM me should you need a sounding board.
Reply:I take it that you're 16 now. That's pretty young, so don't be surprised if you end up being just a helper, for now. My advice is to ask lots of questions and try to learn everything you can from the more experienced people, and don't be ashamed of asking for help when you need it, and asking to do yourself when you don't. Also, ask for opportunities to tackle new things, cause that's how you learn.Ian TannerKawasaki KX450 and many other fine tools
Reply:First of all I'd like to say you have character and I you have my respect. So many follow the status quo and end up unhappy.In my apprenticeship their was one girl out of about 52 apprentices. Mine was electrical but she was into steel fabrication and welding and she seemed to do fine. The lads talked with her normally and didn't make her feel out of place. I think if anything she was considered quite special and unique amongst us for learning a trade which was typically a mans world. When us lads were together we did talk about her but never in a piss taking way. It was more curiosity and a bit of the wow factor about a girl doing this.Remember something, this is what you want and love to do. Go all out at making good welds and I'm sure there's going to be quite a bit of respect coming your way. I'm sure there'll be a prick or two who don't exactly spur you on, but they'll probably be a dipstick in other parts of their life too. If anything gets you down, come back to to welding forums and get some emotional support, there's lots of good guys on this and other forums. Hey I'm sure lots of the lads with offer you suggestions on how to counteract any low life comments that are thrown at you. Little example, I worked on oil rigs in the North Sea in the middle of winter, sub-zero temperatures, icy winds, beautiful. I dressed to stay warm and dry, but many of the other lads were trying to be "North Sea Tigers" as we got named (what a load of bollocks). Some tried to ridicule me for be a "wuss" and dressing up like I did. I just fired back at them and said while they're freezing their nuts off trying to play tough North Sea Tigers (following the status quo), I'm happily warm, dry and comfortable. That seemed to shut them up real quick and I think they were a bit embarrassed actually.Go for it, what have you got to lose. You may have a lot more to lose it you never try and have the long road of regret.Keith.
Reply:Thank you, everybody, for the fabulous tips, personal experinces, and reassurance! A lot of you brought up things I never thought of! I won't mind if I'm mostly doing little "helper" jobs at first, I just want learn all I can!
Reply:Hiyyyyy, so who's gonna do the housework and mind the kids while you're out doing the welding thing?I fully support stay at home mums, especially when it comes to child care and training.I think a lot of people don't think about the role playing aspect of life, especially when it comes to marriage, kids and house management.No comments please, we don't want to argue on the difference of opinons aspect....I merely pointed out the other side of the coin, and if anyone disagrees with me, that's fine as I'll disagree with anyone when I feel the need to make a point.Welding is a good career, or should I say job, as you will be just an employee, working for the man, expected to make money for him by your work/time while you're on the job, That's when the shine goes off, as a welder is just a worker, not a role to be taken lightly, especially when it comes to competing in a man's field as a bread winner.Best of luck.....BTW, if you want to get an idea of what you're up against, lie on your back under a heavy steel structure with the wind blowing so cold it makes your..... teeth hurt and do a bit of overhead welding with a stick.......that seperates the men from the boys for a start.They say you can tell a welder by the pock marks on their face and neck, rough hands and scarred arms too, and a really gravelly voice from the welding fumes.Your hearing ability deteriorates every time you strike a piece of steel with a hammer or work near someone using an angle grinder and it only takes a couple of flashes to have your eyesight permanently damaged forever. Ian.
Reply:Puddytat;  thats why they call you guys down under.......Clovermoses, You will intimadate them but like these guys said, learn all you can and be the best there and they will start looking up too you...good luck.
Reply:PuddyTat is a weiner, but on the other end he is correct! He described me like he knows me! Sorry for the weenie comment puddy, but I know you try your hardest to be to be the biggest! LOL     I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:My advice is try other things. I didn't know what the heck I wanted to do with my life at 16. even now I continually want to learn other trades. One things for sure I dont' want to do one type of job for the rest of my life, there is too much to learn.
Reply:Puddytat; no offense taken, I respect your opinions.I understand this is generally a 'mans job' but it's something I'm interested in, and just like everybody else, man, woman, or inbetween, I have the right to persue what I'd like. Maybe when I have children years down the road I'll have the opportunity to be a stay at home mother to tend to the house and raise my children, but it's highly unlikely, that's just not the kind of person I am.
Reply:Originally Posted by Mick120I recently saw some aluminium welding, that was carried out by a woman employed by a member of this forum, that would put a lot of the 'so called' experts to shame.
Reply:A friend that has a welding business in another town had a woman hired for several years. She was a top notch weldor and all around good hand. I've worked side by side with her several times and I had no complaints. However after about 10 years in the trade she went into weld inspections. She said the physical aspect of being a weldor was just too much. Moving steel around is hard work and that part of the job was just breaking her down. It's a shame too, she was the best tig hand I've ever seen. Yeah, way better than me.
Reply:From another thread below,  without the skills of women welding in shipbuilding to airplane manufacturing, we might not have been the country we are nowadays. Lot of history came before you and you are the future of a great tradition. You might do a search for Jesse Combs:http://www.westermans.com/blog/jessi..._welding_gear/https://www.youtube.com/results?sear....1.MngQHZnxG2cShe has had jobs in fabrication on television shows.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Female welder sparking discussion17-year-old welder says people are surprised to see her succeed in typically male activityhttp://cjonline.com/stories/090908/lif_330133507.shtml-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Think females can't weld? Think againhttp://www.thefabricator.com/article...dr-think-again--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------TC class teaches women to weldhttp://www.texarkanagazette.com/news...welders-18.php----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Without the skilled women in WWII, we would have been in serious trouble from airplane manufacturing to ship building. Show Heather the links below.http://www.studenthandouts.com/01-We...rld-War-II.htmhttp://www.patriotledger.com/lifesty...calls-war-daysVideo about Winniehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=6TEAIdNJq3MYou know a female won the national contest:Carissa Love Wins AWS Professional Welder Contesthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=eWPuQSAIhzQhttp://www.studenthandouts.com/01-We...rld-War-II.htmhttp://www.arc-zone.com/blog/carmene...ry/new-rosies/Dental Technician or Welder?http://www.arc-zone.com/blog/carmene...ian-or-welder/Monday, November 12th, 2012Danielle Alys Ruyne: Woman WelderIn 2006, after working a myriad of jobs from construction to waitressing and even some clerical work, Danielle Alys Ruyne decided to go back to college. “I wanted something that was going to give me a solid base to build [a career] from—different from what I’d done in the past,” she says.After a bit of research, Danielle decided that the dental profession would be a good place to start so she went to the local college to research. She talked to instructors and students but on her way to the Administration office—application in hand—she saw sparks flying from behind a fence. She took a peek then walked into what she discovered was the welding department. There was equipment and metal everywhere and she wanted to know more.Danielle had been intrigued by fire since she was a young girl, from bonfires with friends to burning garbage and yard waste. She loved to watch the sparks, “Every little flame was different in its own flaming way,” she says.She found an instructor who told her about the prerequisites for the program (none) and all the opportunities for welders (many). The prospect of getting paid to play with fire and build awesome structure or fabulous pieces of art sent Danielle straight to the Administration office to hand back the Dental Program application and request the Welding Program paperwork: she wanted to play with fire, not clean teeth! She signed up that day and started two weeks later.Danielle: Woman Welder at WorkWith a great attitude, an ability to work well with others, and the ease with which she picked up different processes and knowledge about metals, after three quarters in school, the Department hired her on as a Lab Technician helping other students. She assisted in teaching a diverse group of students not only to weld, but also with general mathematics in fabrication and how to read blue prints. “I encouraged them to expand their minds at not only the different processes of welding, but the endless opportunities in the welding industry as well,” she says.Danielle’s enthusiasm made her a perfect candidate to give tours of the Welding Department to local school children and travel to the high schools to let students know about grants and scholarships for college as well as the jobs and potential money to earn as a welder/fabricator. “I enjoyed it even more because as a woman I was hoping to give the ladies a little encouragement—to say that if I could do it so can you; it’s not only a man’s profession!”One of the most popular show-and-tell pieces: “….a copper rose made out of 22G. The copper is heat treated with an oxy torch to bring out the deep reds and magentas and the stem is painted green, because I can’t clear coat a natural patina.”She enjoyed participating in the “Expanding Your Horizons” program for young girls. The event offered girls an opportunity to weld. “We would cut up small pieces of 22G copper, big enough for a their name or a maybe a heart or a smiley face, let them put on the hood, jacket and gloves, and let them experience for themselves…what it is like to weld.” Danielle even brought her then 13-year-old daughter in to teach her to weld and discovered she was a natural. After a 20-minute tutorial on safety and a quick lesson, she was welding (brazing copper to be exact) like she’d been doing it for years.In 2008 Danielle graduated with the highest honors and certifications but ran into two huge roadblocks in her search for employment: the economy had taken a dive, and she was a woman. Employers would give her the once over, tell her that her certifications looked great, and never call. She was puzzled at first, and frustrated, then realized DUH! It’s because I’m a woman! She didn’t let that stop her, and instead says the letdowns—that continued for the a year—gave her more drive and put “Fire under her feet.” She continued to focus, stay positive, and feed her ambition: “TO BE A WOMAN WELDER!”As many of our New Rosies have advised—Danielle opted for more education and signed up for the college’s Automotive Program. She continued to work as a Lab Technician in the Welding Department and took a break from filling out applications. “Please do not mistake this as me giving up,” she says, “I simply figured that if I had more ‘man skills’ it would help me get closer to my dream.”The Automotive Program included electrical and diagnostics—and when she finished she had a lot more to go into her resume. Within two months of her next round of filling out applications she landed a job at a local Fabrication Shop as the 2nd Lead Foreman. Of the shop owner, Danielle says, “He wasn’t one bit concerned that I was a woman, he was just amazed at all my qualifications and certifications.”The main process in the shop is Flux Core though on occasion they use other welding processes if the job calls for it. The shop deals with a lot of “I” beams as well as structural tubing, but there’s something different almost every couple of months from structural building to something as small as air shutters. “I absolutely love my profession as well as the career path I am on,” Danielle says. “I get a kick out of building and fabricating whatever may come across my hands, starting from scratch and seeing it through to the end. I to go to work, do what I love to do, have fun and get paid to do it!!”The advice Danielle would give herself at 15 and other young women:Stay focused on your dreams and goals. Continue to go that extra step or mile, I promise it will pay off in the end! Do not let anyone tell you, you can’t because you’re a girl. You most definitely can! Even when life gets you down or things don’t seem to go the way you intended or hoped, keep pushing forward and keep your head up, everything happens for a reason. You can be and do anything your heart desires, it’s your world, your life, you’re living it! ALWAYS believe in yourself! If you, for any reason get discouraged and start to feel you can’t, remember this, I not only feel you can, I know you can, because I believe in you!!Danielle’s message is something we all need to hear, not just at 15, but every day of our lives!Last edited by TxDoc; 12-19-2012 at 10:51 PM.TxDoc's Photos Lincoln SP175 PlusLincoln Power Mig 256Lincoln 250 LX Spool Gun Lincoln Precision Tig 225 Hypertherm 600 KMG 2x72 Belt GrinderBaldor 812RE Grinder
Reply:Originally Posted by AluminumWelderI didn't know what the heck I wanted to do with my life at 16
Reply:My girlfriend is also getting into welding, in fact I met her in my welding class. Her father is a weld engineer for a nuclear power comp,her grandfather  started a very successful machine/weld shop after coming back from WW2,  so welding is a major part of her life. I can honestly say that she has "it" in her to be a very good welder. But she wants to follow her fathers footsteps and become a weld engineer sometime in the future... My advice is if you really have a passion for welding go with it, (and applies to others not just women) learn everything you can. Listen to advice or suggestions unless they are obviously ridiculous. Be confident even if you don't have a clue, but also ask when you feel you need to. There are always going to be A-holes in the workplace, doesn't matter where you work or what industry you work in, it's just the nature of humans.Lincoln pro mig 180Lincoln Square Wave Tig 300/wp 20/home built water cooler Victor, Purox, Harris, O/A welding/cutting setupsVintage Craftsman drill pressVintage Craftsman/Atlas 12"x 36'' lathe7''x 12'' w/c band saw Everlast 140 st
Reply:The best part of a woman getting a trade is that she has financial independence and if her old man or whomever treats her wrong she can walk out the door and look after herself and her kids.  Just being able to do that gives you the chance of finding a better class of mate.  The loose cannons and men who want to dominate steer clear which is a good thing.
Reply:Give every task you are assigned your best effort, no matter what it is.  Listen and soak up all the knowledge and information you can but don't be afraid to ask questions.  Have a positive attitude and show up at work every day on time.  If you can do all that you will earn everyone's respect and you will go far.Get all the education you can and go for the best paying jobs, don't settle for less.At your age if you know what you want to do, you are already a step ahead of most of your peers.Good luck!"The reason we are here is that we are not all there"SA 200Idealarc TM 300 300MM 200MM 25130a SpoolgunPrecision Tig 375Invertec V350 ProSC-32 CS 12 Wire FeederOxweld/Purox O/AArcAirHypertherm Powermax 85LN25
Reply:Clover,     I think it's great you wanna weld. My wife actually does oxy/fuel welding (sculpture mostly). She learned from her father and has actually had formal training at a local metal sculpture and art school here in upstate NY. She's the type of girl who definitely does not let her gender control her fate. We have a brand new baby girl (4 months old) who will probably be just as strong willed as her and I. In this day and age I think it's ignorant for people like that pu$$ytat dude and aluminumdestroyer to give advice like "try other things" and " women belong at home with the kids."      Long story short, do what you want to do and be who you want to be and let the other guy worry about it if it bothers them so much.
Reply:Originally Posted by puddytatHiyyyyy, so who's gonna do the housework and mind the kids while you're out doing the welding thing?I fully support stay at home mums, especially when it comes to child care and training.I think a lot of people don't think about the role playing aspect of life, especially when it comes to marriage, kids and house management.No comments please, we don't want to argue on the difference of opinons aspect....I merely pointed out the other side of the coin, and if anyone disagrees with me, that's fine as I'll disagree with anyone when I feel the need to make a point.Welding is a good career, or should I say job, as you will be just an employee, working for the man, expected to make money for him by your work/time while you're on the job, That's when the shine goes off, as a welder is just a worker, not a role to be taken lightly, especially when it comes to competing in a man's field as a bread winner.Best of luck.....BTW, if you want to get an idea of what you're up against, lie on your back under a heavy steel structure with the wind blowing so cold it makes your..... teeth hurt and do a bit of overhead welding with a stick.......that seperates the men from the boys for a start.They say you can tell a welder by the pock marks on their face and neck, rough hands and scarred arms too, and a really gravelly voice from the welding fumes.Your hearing ability deteriorates every time you strike a piece of steel with a hammer or work near someone using an angle grinder and it only takes a couple of flashes to have your eyesight permanently damaged forever. Ian.I would offer the same advice to anyone, regardless of gender, who wishess to enter any type of construction industry.Grow thick skin.Most guys in construction are, by comparison to other industries, crude, crass, harsh, and short tempered.  They will tend to say things that get under your skin as long as they see that it gets a reaction.  They also tend to "call 'em like they see 'em",  if they say it sucks, it is either because they think it sucks, or they are trying to rub you a bit ... but it will be up to you to figure out what the intent is.  Most of the guys i work with from year to year tend to be chauvinistic, sexist, and somewhat bigoted. So there's the bad ... if any of those things tend to bother you on a personal level, you will have a difficult time in any construction environment. to be blunt: you will be working with guys like puddytat, if it bothers you, pick a environment, or you'll go nuts.but here's the good:they do tend to tone it down a bit in the presence of women, they are aware, but in other environments the behavior would still be "unacceptable" by comparison.  Most guys are firecrackers, they go off quick, but when they explode then it is done.  I've been yelled at and called every dirty name in the book, and had the guy buy me coffee 10 minutes later.  Just understand that when someone is mad at you, they are mad at you "right now" ... and that has nothing to do with how they will feel about you 10 minutes from now.  Use it to your advantage, say what needs to be said, get it off your chest, and get on with your day.  If words were said, no one remembers it by the next day.
Reply:I can't thank you all enough for the positive comments and help you're giving me, I really do appreciate it. And I'm glad I wasn't the only one who found the sexist comment that was left above kind of rude xD but hey, if you want to be sexist there's not much I can do about it.and about developing a thick skin: I'm not concerned about that being a problem, I've never really had an issue with getting sore over others actions, it's just a moment in time, after all Thank you again everybody!!
Reply:clovermoses,one item not mentioned above, and true regardless if the learning welder is a man or woman; not all welders are able to give training advice that is useful.What I mean is, that I've worked as a welder for many years and worked around lots of hands that could weld very well. But most of those same people were not very well versed in explaining what they knew to others.I know when I asked (too many) questions that most of the welders I was helping would reply with phrases that hardly made any sense to me!For example, when I first asked about the 5P, coated electrode down hand, stringer bead in pipe?  I was told "well... yuh just lay it in there."To this day that hasn't made a very clear explanation of how that man's extraordinary pipe welding skills were developed or practiced.  He could put in a stringer on 8" sched 40, carbon pipe, down hand without any hood or looking at the bead - just by feel and sound.I never, ever became that skillful.  But that man's skills were not something he was very experienced in explaining.   I believe that Mr. JW Barham has passed to the Lord? [and his 798 Book has been returned to the Hall or retired?]. But even if he was the best pipe welder I ever saw in person, JW could not (did not?) explain or share his incredible skills with others- at least not verbally.So one thing that you may want to keep in mind is that when you ask a question, the answer may come from someone that hasn't spent much time developing the skill to teach or answer questions in a way that inform you of what the other person knows.What we have to do as learners from those who know how; is to study what was said, and see if we can find that nugget in the less than articulate replies we get.Good luck with your interest in learning the trade.Cheers,Kevin MorinKenai,AK
Reply:Kevin, that's one hell of a good point, and something for Clevermoses to consider. Clevermoses, if you get a kick out of teaching others how to do something and you could do what Kevin said, there's a future possibity that is definetely light duty (no harm in looking 10 or 15 years down the track). I always look at my electrical instructor from my apprenticeship as a bit of a hero. He had a great way of teaching and took you deep in the subject to give you a real understanding. People like that are worth a lot, and I can imagine their job could be quite rewarding.And you'd still get to weld a bit.Keith.
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Reply:Originally Posted by BoostinjdmIF they send you after a bucket of steam.....don't forget the lid.
Reply:I haven't read all the posts as I don't have time this morning, but if it hasn't been mentioned, it is perfectly ok to be a welder and still be a lady.  one woman welder I worked with tried to be like one of the guys and was just plain nasty.  She would fart, burp, swear, and was plain over the top in trying to fit in.  Most men I have met in the field don't mind working with women so long as they remain a lady.  I have met some great women in the trades.  Just for the record men who act like pigs are liked either.
Reply:Originally Posted by Scott YoungI haven't read all the posts as I don't have time this morning, but if it hasn't been mentioned, it is perfectly ok to be a welder and still be a lady.  one woman welder I worked with tried to be like one of the guys and was just plain nasty.  She would fart, burp, swear, and was plain over the top in trying to fit in.  Most men I have met in the field don't mind working with women so long as they remain a lady.  I have met some great women in the trades.  Just for the record men who act like pigs are liked either.
Reply:There are quite a few women TIG welding bicycle frames in the high end titanium and steel shops across the country doing absolutely incredible work. I worked in a shop that has a women who is a machine. She cranks out amazing work and is faster than anyone in the shop. We always joked about how women make better TIG weldors than men because they have more rythem and can dance. Do what you like. There will always be places that you'll prefer to work at with regard to co-workers and atmosphere. Find a place that suits you. It's the same for all of us. I think some industries and shops will be more progressive. As has been mentioned, let your talent speak for itself, be coachable, be riliable, and have some thick skin. You'll knock it out of the park if you can do those things.
Reply:One of the welders reconditioning generator turbine blades at the local Alstom plant is a gal."USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA  Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:Women's attention to detail is maniacal for the most part and have a good  memory. Like Zank said, they are a natural for precision tig. They got these mouse like fingers that can get into tight spots.And they want a WPS to go to the rest room even, so they are pretty thorough. Don't know if that comes from fear or discipline.Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li  ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.
Reply:Another point is that most companies today are looking to diversify their workforce.  Being a lady means you bring an entirely different perspective to the table than a room full of all-male welders.  Yeah, throwing you into a group will probably change the group dynamic but in the end the solution will be that much better and stronger for it.  The worst thing I see in an industrial environment is that we sometimes try to solve a problem with a whole bunch of people who are exactly alike.For example, I'd probably try to solve a structural problem by really beefing it up which means a heavier product that will take a lot more time to weld.  A lady would probably have the sense to make it lighter and easier to weld because that's more important to them.  Lighter/easier to weld = cost savings.Only caveat I would say is that is that you need to be extra careful when planning pregnancy.  Just had a lady at work step back from the industrial side to protect her baby from the fumes produced from welding/torching/grinding.  I'm sure that's a long ways off for you but it's something I've never had to consider.
Reply:Now if all the guys doing welding for a living could get to choose all the "nice" jobs instead of having to be a "do all, wherever, whenever" then I suppose welding would be a nice type of job to pass the time. In the hard cruel light of day, a welding job is THE most arduous, unhealthy, dangerous, self inflicting injury type of work you could choose to do, and if you can't find work within a decent distance from where you are living, then you must move to it, and if you have a husband, boy/girl friend who is otherwise employed, then the conflict of interests is something not to be anticipated.I actually do respect your interest in the welding trade Clover, (I'm a fitter & Turner myself) but as a line of work it's something to really be aware of what it takes to work with metals, especially when there's heat involved and someone else is paying you by the hour.Best of luck,Ian.
Reply:You can disregard my answer, because I don't work in the welding field, but I do work in a male dominated field.  I own my own business and have hired over 20 workers through the years.  One of those was a girl.  I was a bit worried about how she would work out, our business is dirty, messy, physically challenging work.  She was one of the 3 best employees I have ever had.  Work hard, conduct yourself with dignity, and remember, guys say stupid things, and some of them never seem to learn how to behave around a lady.  In my case, not only did she turn out to be a great employee, she earned the respect of her co-workers by the end of the first day.  Other guys would go out of their way to help her out, or make sure she felt welcome. Good luck, women should be good at welding, they generally have better developed fine motor skills and steady hands.  I teach shooting classes sometimes, and women generally pick it up faster than men.... that could also just be that they listen better.... who knows.Check out my channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkz...bZg8AYNXGqBjZQ"Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of arms." - Aristotle
Reply:Practice, practice, practice!!! Keep your eyes and ears OPEN! If you can, watch your leader/teacher weld. I mean REALLY WATCH! And practice safety! And if you never lose that love for molten metal, you'll be fine. No one will be able to stop you!http://www.facebook.com/LockhartMetalArthttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Grumpy...44306259043484
Reply:My advice...  Same as it would be for a guy!Marry a Doctor  -  weld because you love it, not because you have to...The best things in life all come on a stick!
Reply:Originally Posted by emeraldbison    ... " women belong at home with the kids." ...
Reply:Read the book "Communicating from 9-5" by Deborah Tannen. It will address much of what you're concerned about.What it sounds like is making you nervous is being in an environment that uses a predominately male communication style. I think the experience of most of the men on these forums would agree that women can do well in the welding field, they can also do not well...just like any man can succeed or fail. I've read a lot of mention about being thick skinned and doing a good job. Let me explain what that means.Male communication is based on two primary tasks, getting work done and establishing a hierarchy of leadership (alpha male).  In order to succeed in a field that is male communication dominant you need to be able to understand both of these.getting work done: Men will always appreciate quality work. They don't care how you feel, they don't care what your motivation is. They just care that you get the job done. Imagine a school playground, boys playing sports. One boy falls and hurts himself, the other boys just want him to get out of the way so they can continue working at the objective. Girls playing hopscotch will stop to help their tattered friend. With female commo style, the individuals are most important, in male, the task is. I'm in the military, and it's very male commo. It doesn't matter if it's raining, snowing, 120 degrees out and there are people trying to kill you, just get the job done. Be professional...it can be a little over-stoic at times.Establishing leaders: Men banter and make fun of each other a lot. This is because their commo style is geared towards getting to the top. It's not that that is always what is going on, but it usually just becomes part of a game. Men will fight over who has to leave the tv to get a bag a chips, inventing endless reasons why someone else has to, a woman walks in a says, well this is silly, I'll go get the chips. The woman lost the game, because she put herself in a one down position. The whole point of the game is to be one up.Often time success or failure in a male or female communication environment has far less to do with actual gender than it does with an individuals ability to communicate with that style in that environment. So learn to recognize when the one up/one down game is being played and join in the banter, keeping it light hearted. But above all DO GOOD WORK and focus on getting the job done as the most important thing and you will have the respect of (male commo style) men.Cheers!
Reply:...oh and one more thing, don't try to BE a man. I've seen a lot of women in the military/construction trades/etc try to behave like a man (ie swagger, vulgarity, etc). This behavior doesn't work for men, it wont work for you. Just be you. Be professional and you'll be ok. Try not to highlight gender differences, don't be "girlie" but also don't try to be "manly." There are many fears men have when working with women in male dominated fields, most of those fears are whether or not they will stick through the job when it's (mentally) tough. Any male who is worth anything in that field will always respect a woman who can communicate with their style.
Reply:Do what it takes to become a great welder and anybody would be glad to have you as an employee. Work hard and make your employer money and they will not care if you are a guy or girl. learn as much as you can about welding  the more you know the more valuable you will be.   You can and will do it so good luck  and work hard.Miller Trailblazer 280 ntS 22 p 12 suitcase wire feeder Miller high frequency box dynasty 200 Millermatic 252 Millermatic 211 Miller XMT 300 Miller spectrum 2050 plasma cutter Cutmaster 42 plasma cutter. Miller dynasty 350
Reply:Originally Posted by 41 Farmall AOnly caveat I would say is that is that you need to be extra careful when planning pregnancy.  Just had a lady at work step back from the industrial side to protect her baby from the fumes produced from welding/torching/grinding.  I'm sure that's a long ways off for you but it's something I've never had to consider.