TrailBlazer Powering MM252?

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I have a 12 year old Miller trailBlazer 251. I've been told it will but have never attempted to run a mig machine using the 220V out put on the TrailBlazer. I have a MM 252 mig and a Lincoln 180 mig machine. Has anyone done this? Does it work? If so, can I run the mig machine off the TrailBlazer generator and stick weld with the TrailBlazer at the same time?Miller TrailBlazer 251Miller HF-250-1Miller MaxStar 150 STLHyperTherm PowerMax 380 plasmaLincoln PowerMig 180Millermatic 252Miller Diversion 180
Reply:I run the MM 35 off my TB 302 But i have not used both at the same time no....I'm not that good LOL Backed my CATMA over your CARMA oops clusmy me  What would SATAN do ?? Miller Trailblazer 302 AirPakMiller Digital Elite  Optrel Welding HatArcair K4000Suitcase 12RC / 12 VSHypertherm PM-45Rage 3 sawRusty old Truck
Reply:Originally Posted by waginI have a 12 year old Miller trailBlazer 251. I've been told it will but have never attempted to run a mig machine using the 220V out put on the TrailBlazer. I have a MM 252 mig and a Lincoln 180 mig machine. Has anyone done this? Does it work? If so, can I run the mig machine off the TrailBlazer generator and stick weld with the TrailBlazer at the same time?
Reply:I don't know where other's are getting their info, but Miller's spec sheet on the 251 doesn't seem to bear out their comments.According to the specs for the Trailblazer 251 the aux output is as follows:4 Kva/kW33/16.5A120/240 V ACThis means that you only have 16.5 A (at 240V) for powering auxillary tools.The MM252 draws 42A at rated output (60 Hz)You're not going to get much performance (if it even works at all) out of a MM252 powered by a Trailblazer 251.In terms of simultaneous operation.  Forget it.You may be able to "get by" with an inverter based mig welder (Passport Plus), but even that unit requires 20A input at rated output.If mig welding is the objective, your only real option is a suitcase feeder.PS.  All this info is readily available on Miller's website.Syncro 250 DX Dynasty 200 DXMM 251 w/30A SG XMT 304 w/714 Feeder & Optima PulserHH187Dialarc 250 AC/DCHypertherm PM 1250Smith, Harris, Victor O/ASmith and Thermco Gas MixersAccess to a full fab shop with CNC Plasma, Water Jet, etc.
Reply:Originally Posted by killdozerd11I run the MM 35 off my TB 302 But i have not used both at the same time no....I'm not that good LOL
Reply:I can tell you from experience that it won't work. I can't even run my little MM140 off of it, much less the higher draw 220v welder. You may get it to run, but you won't weld much more than sheet metal with it. It will also be a frustration in popping the breakers. Once it pops the first time it will pop much quicker the next. It may say that you have 4000 watts, but you can't draw it all out of one outlet.  Initially I just used my TB251 for stick welding, but had some jobs come up that mig welding light gauge tubing would have been way faster, so I tried my little 140. I could weld up to about 18 gauge succesfully. I have also run my spoolgun off of it running both MIG and FC using an SGA100c, and that works good, but not quite as good. My eventual solution was to run a Lincoln LN-25. It gives me all the weld power I want and welds beautifully.
Reply:My TB has 8kw generator.Miller TrailBlazer 251Miller HF-250-1Miller MaxStar 150 STLHyperTherm PowerMax 380 plasmaLincoln PowerMig 180Millermatic 252Miller Diversion 180
Reply:1) find/purchase a suitable wire feeder.2) connect to the CV output.3) connect the remote contactor control.As far a stick welding at the same time, don't count on it.Last edited by Joshfromsaltlake; 07-08-2012 at 05:37 AM.
Reply:Originally Posted by waginMy TB has 8kw generator.
Reply:hey not to get you guys off topic but im trying to run my syncrowave 180sd 3 prong 220 30 amp plug off my tb302 gas. the 240 recepticle is a 4 plug . how would you make this possible? i was thinking about making an extension cord with a male 4 prong to meet the generator into a 3 prong 3 wire recepticle for the syncrowave.  i will post this in the right topic when i get a chance im on my way to the jobsite any input would be appreciatedLast edited by 211welding; 02-25-2013 at 01:58 PM.
Reply:Originally Posted by 211weldinghey not to get you guys off topic but im trying to run my syncrowave 180sd 3 prong 220 30 amp plug off my tb302 gas. the 240 recepticle is a 4 plug . how would you make this possible? i was thinking about making an extension cord with a male 4 prong to meet the generator into a 3 prong 3 wire recepticle for the syncrowave. any help would be appreciated
Reply:i really appreciate it thankyou
Reply:I just made my own bought 14-50 plug and 6-50 receptacle and 3' of 8/3 cordCheap and easyBacked my CATMA over your CARMA oops clusmy me  What would SATAN do ?? Miller Trailblazer 302 AirPakMiller Digital Elite  Optrel Welding HatArcair K4000Suitcase 12RC / 12 VSHypertherm PM-45Rage 3 sawRusty old Truck
Reply:Originally Posted by killdozerd11I just made my own bought 14-50 plug and 6-50 receptacle and 3' of 8/3 cordCheap and easy
Reply:the 6-50 is a 3 wire, i think i understand that the 14-50 has 2 supply's? 1 ground and one neutral? would you wire the ground and neutral together for the 6-50 end. I'm curious to how this generator will run my tig setup on the syncro and soon i plan on investing in a 30a with a wc24 controller and a power block for my gas for a nice all around setup.
Reply:Originally Posted by 211weldingthe 6-50 is a 3 wire, i think i understand that the 14-50 has 2 supply's? 1 ground and one neutral? would you wire the ground and neutral together for the 6-50 end. I'm curious to how this generator will run my tig setup on the syncro and soon i plan on investing in a 30a with a wc24 controller and a power block for my gas for a nice all around setup.