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Reply:No, cut it off.
Reply:Backing over customers garbage cans shouldn't be a problem anymore Nice job as alwaysFire!, Fire! Oh wait, that's my torch...Lincoln PT-225 TIGLincoln 175 MIG
Reply:Whats behind it?
Reply:Muuuuuuuuch better Still could use heavier plate, bigger gussets and heavier duty D-Rings. But it looks a million times better than the last one, especially with the ground down jagged edges. Whats this gonna pull?[Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:Somebody's bound to complain about welding on the frame.It looks like the gusset on the underside is connected to the inside of the frame rail.  Is this a fully boxed frame?  If not then the gusset connection to the open end of the C frame is pretty useless.  You should have put the gusset in line with the vertical part of the frame.Is that 1/2" material.  I'd probably also add a stiffener behind the main plate.  You have a nice plate for vertical loads, but only 1/2" thickness of material to take the pulling and braking loads.Edit, I see from the first picture that it's not a fully boxed frame, just a CLast edited by AndyA; 10-23-2011 at 08:48 PM.Dynasty200DX w/coolmate1MM210MM VintageESAB miniarc161ltsLincoln AC225Victor O/A, Smith AW1ACutmaster 81IR 2475N7.5FPRage3Jancy USA1019" SBAEAD-200LE
Reply:Sorry if I'm wrong but in the third picture there is a weld that looks cold and uneven.If what I see is true I hope all the welds were not made the same.Not trying to make anyone mad or anything with my first post but wanted find out why it looks that way.Maybe it is just slag that I see but would like to know for sure.
Reply:Originally Posted by VPTNo, cut it off.
Reply:Originally Posted by ThorsHammerI'm going to have to agree. you should refer to this threadhttp://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php...ht=water+truckDSW shows the proper design for this.
Reply:whether or not this is ok depends on the load it is designed for.  the only thing i would cut off are your gussets, you should really bring those up the outside of the frame,  I myself would not condemn welding it to the frame like you have.  I think a nice touch would be to weld the gussets on the outside of the frame like i said then join them into a heavy piece of flat bar wrapped around the bottom edge of the plate.   it would be nice to see the plate go the whole way to the top of the frame but with the dump bed angle in there it would be difficult, as long as you welded into that angle good along the top edge and its welded on good then I'd be happy.
Reply:a large gusset welded to the hitch plate then bolted to the frame using the predrilled holes would be betterwould spread the loadidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tigidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tig #2 used for sticklincoln sp100hh125dual arbor grinder polisher30 yrs of hand tools52 pitch blocks 6p-26prake gauge -pitch gaugeG&D prop repair 918-207-6938Hulbert,okla 74441
Reply:some things we do know from the photo, this is not a huge tri-axle truck.  it has wedge brakes, its likely a F-650 sized rig, I doubt they are trying to pull a full size backhoe or anything like that as he is limited on truck and trailer braking power.
Reply:I think Ed should stop taking on work that he's not qualified to do.From what we can see (not much really), there are several "flaws" in the design and execution.  What we can't see is what support is behind the plate where the hitch is mounted.  If he is relying strictly on the strength of the plate, then he has a major fubar.It's BS like this that continues to drive up the insurance premiums for the pro's in the business.  Installing hitches on heavy duty towing equipment requires an understanding of "strength of materials" (lacking) and good execution (severely lacking).PS.  Hope this truck is never operated off the highway.  Unless we're dealing with an "optical illusion", there's not enough ground clearance aft of the rear wheels to go over a curb.Last edited by SundownIII; 10-24-2011 at 12:25 PM.Syncro 250 DX Dynasty 200 DXMM 251 w/30A SG XMT 304 w/714 Feeder & Optima PulserHH187Dialarc 250 AC/DCHypertherm PM 1250Smith, Harris, Victor O/ASmith and Thermco Gas MixersAccess to a full fab shop with CNC Plasma, Water Jet, etc.
Reply:The ground clearance comment made me relook at the pictures.  It doesn't look totally unreasonable if the truck is staying on the road.But... why is there so much steel *below* the hitch?  How much does that contribute to the load carrying?  Should have used that material behind the hitch 90 deg to the main plate.Dynasty200DX w/coolmate1MM210MM VintageESAB miniarc161ltsLincoln AC225Victor O/A, Smith AW1ACutmaster 81IR 2475N7.5FPRage3Jancy USA1019" SBAEAD-200LE
Reply:Optical illusion. Look at the second pick where you're looking at the set up from dirrectly behind it. plenty of ground clearance. but the whole thing still needs to be cut off and redone.There are no problems. There are only solutions. It's your duty to determine the right one.Hobart Handler 210Airco 225 Amp MSM Stinger
Reply:Also, the steel below the hitch is to allow for the height adjustment of the hitch. thats why there are holes drilled above and below where it's mounted now.There are no problems. There are only solutions. It's your duty to determine the right one.Hobart Handler 210Airco 225 Amp MSM Stinger
Reply:i to would like a pic of the back side. i agree with side rail bolted on gussets, the steel at bottom used as a v shape attached behind hitch with large backing plate to side rails, if it is half inch plate that is fine if properly braced.  preferably flanged on edges though, or at least backed in the corners with angle welded vertically. the d-rings should be fine for the light combo hitch if it is used according it's rated capacity. not related to the fab job breaking power with wedge breaks is very minimal. hate them suckers.225NT bobcatAEAD200LEScott 125mm175, mm252 w 30A, PT225mm211, TA 181iHyper Therm 380, cut master 529100X & XX, Digital Elite6 Victor setssmith little torch, meco midget kalamazoo band sawsteel max saw evoulution circular saw
Reply:Originally Posted by ThorsHammerAlso, the steel below the hitch is to allow for the height adjustment of the hitch. thats why there are holes drilled above and below where it's mounted now.
Reply:This is Edmac we're talking about here, who really knows why he does what he does. I can only assume it was so that the hitch didn't go below the plate.There are no problems. There are only solutions. It's your duty to determine the right one.Hobart Handler 210Airco 225 Amp MSM Stinger
Reply:worms worms everywhere are worms, do this don't do that can't you see the worms.
Reply:Originally Posted by g-manworms worms everywhere are worms, do this don't do that can't you see the worms.
Reply:My guess is it's 3/4" plate, it's thicker than the leaf springs.I would wrap it and put the angle gusset on the outside of the frame.Leo
Reply:Just for the record..Welding hitches to the frame is COMMON PRACTICE when you know what you are doing..Look at ANY big truck with a hitch..NO BOLTS!!None on my truck..None on any truck.So stop being so anal about welding to the frame in this application..Personally if he welds it CORRECTLY it will not be such a big problem with the set-up he has..I have seen worse..Like the first attempt.By the way what's a truck from Stoneham Ford in Mass. doing in Fla anyway??...zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:thank you zapster
Reply:Originally Posted by dbl612thank you zapsterI like the way Ed throws stuff like this out there for us to review.  You have to admit that he really has improved his hitch making since that one that sent everyone over the edge.  At least this one doesn't appear to be actually DESIGNED to fail.Miller Syncrowave 350Millermatic 252/ 30A spoolgunMiller Bobcat 225g w/ 3545 spoolgunLincoln PowerArc4000Lincoln 175 Mig  Lincoln 135 Mig Everlast 250EX TigCentury ac/dc 230 amp stickVictor O/AHypertherm 1000 plasma
Reply:http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...005-Todays-job Ed mac     Someone forgot to mention that it wasn't their work. Then again he never really said it was either.Last edited by trouble007; 11-03-2011 at 07:10 PM._______________________OF COURSE I DON'T LOOK BUSY... I DID IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME
Reply:Uh oh.