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something outside the shop wooo hoo well i went mobile today only cause its for the marina i have repaired their stuff for 20 yrs now ... was different easy $$$it's a 74 footer house boat  ..#1  the holes 3 little ones  ..#2 repair  not purrrrddy but will work  ,,#3the truck and boat..#4 the boat Attached Imagesidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tigidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tig #2 used for sticklincoln sp100hh125dual arbor grinder polisher30 yrs of hand tools52 pitch blocks 6p-26prake gauge -pitch gaugeG&D prop repair 918-207-6938Hulbert,okla 74441
Reply:Hey prop-doctor, that's definitely not a skiff! It looks as if they at least had it set-up half way decent for you to gain access to work on it. Am I correct in thinking that this might be a fresh-water craft? If so, that's another plus, if not, then I can sympathise with you immensely. Many of the craft that are around the area where I live have usually seen a lot of salt-water action and repairing the aluminum on them can be a real bear often times. Best regards, Allanaevald
Reply:its  fresh-water  marine growth sucks a little breeze today had some tarping stretched on one side would still whip all around insurance job.. got lub it ... the big truck came all the way from tennesse to pull out the boat just enough room to set under itidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tigidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tig #2 used for sticklincoln sp100hh125dual arbor grinder polisher30 yrs of hand tools52 pitch blocks 6p-26prake gauge -pitch gaugeG&D prop repair 918-207-6938Hulbert,okla 74441
Reply:Looks to me like they need rub bars welded full length down those corners. That size a boat doesnt take much of a stump to hole it.  Mac
Reply:wasn't any damage to the hual  just 3 bad spots right under were the bilge pump sets,,,, i say electroysis it has anodes but thay olny do soooo much lets just say it rusted lolidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tigidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tig #2 used for sticklincoln sp100hh125dual arbor grinder polisher30 yrs of hand tools52 pitch blocks 6p-26prake gauge -pitch gaugeG&D prop repair 918-207-6938Hulbert,okla 74441
Reply:In the picture of the repair, it looks like a small pinhole left underneath on the right side end of your weld. Is that just a dirt spot or is it possible you missed a little spot? Wouldn't want them to put it back in the water and find some seepage after going thru all this.
Reply:no pin hole --was were i dobbed the tung an stuck it the hull is 3/16 --was sitting on my foot an working the peddle with the back of other legwelding  sitting down ,,,welding up-side-down.. hull was 40 inches off the groundLast edited by prop-doctor; 11-18-2011 at 02:59 PM.idealarc 250/250 ac-dc tigidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tig #2 used for sticklincoln sp100hh125dual arbor grinder polisher30 yrs of hand tools52 pitch blocks 6p-26prake gauge -pitch gaugeG&D prop repair 918-207-6938Hulbert,okla 74441
Reply:Originally Posted by prop-doctorno pin hole --was were i dobbed the tung an stuck it the hual is 3/16 --was sitting on my foot an working the peddle with the back of other legwelding  sitting down ,,,welding up-side-down.. hual was 40 inches off the ground
Reply:thanks for da spell check  lol  gettin old -- i no guessthat was my first choice to flip it on its side i just tig  no squirt gun here  i would have been better to lay down had blocks to set on but made (Me ) too tall  ....now this is when a thumb slid would have been the ticketbut i don't go mobile,,,, first time in 20 yrs ran the idealarc tig  ( aint no suitcase fur sure)  off the ranger10idealarc 250/250 ac-dc tigidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tig #2 used for sticklincoln sp100hh125dual arbor grinder polisher30 yrs of hand tools52 pitch blocks 6p-26prake gauge -pitch gaugeG&D prop repair 918-207-6938Hulbert,okla 74441
Reply:Hello prop-doctor, I have long considered building a "knee brace" type of holder for a foot pedal. If you are able to follow me here, I would essentially make it so that I could strap it around my calf so that it wouldn't slide up and down much, incorporate a couple of metal bars that would run down both sides of the rest of my leg to the bottom of my foot and have a place for the pedal to attach so that I could pivot my foot at the ankle to control the amps. Hopefully you can visualize that. I suppose that I should get over having to figure out how to use a slide or rotary control, I'm just too darn stubborn to get away from my trusty foot pedal. I definitely appreciate the challenge on your repair there. Best regards, Allanaevald
Reply:have thought of all kinda things to maybe work the peddle when out of positionhave used allmost thing from elbow, knee, to thigh ,back of leg ,to squeezing like "the thigh master"but still trust the peddle .. when your a tig weldor  you become a contorsionist (?)all i can say it was a change of pace and kinda neat welding on a $$ half million $$ boat best part it was paid by insurance CO. easy buxLast edited by prop-doctor; 11-18-2011 at 08:06 PM.idealarc 250/250 ac-dc tigidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tig #2 used for sticklincoln sp100hh125dual arbor grinder polisher30 yrs of hand tools52 pitch blocks 6p-26prake gauge -pitch gaugeG&D prop repair 918-207-6938Hulbert,okla 74441
Reply:It's jobs like this where the Dynasty 200 DX with a finger control really shine.Easy repair and good money.IF electrolysis caused it, your repair is not going to last.  Considering the cost to haul, I'd probably have recommended a patch applied to a larger area of the hull.Holes created from electrolysis are "very difficult" to repair correctly.  The base metal is generally broken down, similar to the effects of salt water exposure.Syncro 250 DX Dynasty 200 DXMM 251 w/30A SG XMT 304 w/714 Feeder & Optima PulserHH187Dialarc 250 AC/DCHypertherm PM 1250Smith, Harris, Victor O/ASmith and Thermco Gas MixersAccess to a full fab shop with CNC Plasma, Water Jet, etc.
Reply:i have no idea what caused the holes  but that was just a guess as to why the leakown siad he may have hit something ??/ who knows i was the weldor was told to weld up the leak  which i did hardest part was drying it outidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tigidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tig #2 used for sticklincoln sp100hh125dual arbor grinder polisher30 yrs of hand tools52 pitch blocks 6p-26prake gauge -pitch gaugeG&D prop repair 918-207-6938Hulbert,okla 74441
Reply:Many steel boats corrode more from the inside than outside.  Also corrrosion is greatest in the upper six inches of water where the oxygen is more plentiful.     I agree that a patch would be the way to go but people often don't want to pay.  On one boat I saw built new the inside of the bilge where the bilg pump sat and the water collected was fiberglassed over so that the water sat against fiberglass.
Reply:this is an aluminum hull.    5/16 thickidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tigidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tig #2 used for sticklincoln sp100hh125dual arbor grinder polisher30 yrs of hand tools52 pitch blocks 6p-26prake gauge -pitch gaugeG&D prop repair 918-207-6938Hulbert,okla 74441
Reply:is that boat kept on ft. gibson or tenkiller?
Reply:ft. gibsonidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tigidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tig #2 used for sticklincoln sp100hh125dual arbor grinder polisher30 yrs of hand tools52 pitch blocks 6p-26prake gauge -pitch gaugeG&D prop repair 918-207-6938Hulbert,okla 74441
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Reply:was nice  and the guy uses it a few weeks a yr then it sets ----- i would have to live on it for the kinda bux it costtryed to sell him new props ..ones that are on it are ate up around the edgeswith marine growthidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tigidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tig #2 used for sticklincoln sp100hh125dual arbor grinder polisher30 yrs of hand tools52 pitch blocks 6p-26prake gauge -pitch gaugeG&D prop repair 918-207-6938Hulbert,okla 74441
Reply:Originally Posted by SundownIIIIF electrolysis caused it, your repair is not going to last.  Considering the cost to haul, I'd probably have recommended a patch applied to a larger area of the hull..
Reply:i have learned that when you are hired to just weld you weld ..if you say the wrong thing to the adjuster  with owner there you will never get a job from the owner again ... i was just guessing here since i can,,,,,an not effect the out come of the job as to what or why like said before no idea what caused the leaks, they were just wide enough to stick my littleswiss knife in at first ..then was cleaned they look bigger in the pic  [ was 2 pin holes and a small crack ,crack was 1/4 long an knife blade wideowner was going to power wash and put a coating over repair  we all can guess what or why,,,,it was not my call to say what caused itthat was between the owner and his insurance manLast edited by prop-doctor; 11-19-2011 at 10:44 AM.idealarc 250/250 ac-dc tigidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tig #2 used for sticklincoln sp100hh125dual arbor grinder polisher30 yrs of hand tools52 pitch blocks 6p-26prake gauge -pitch gaugeG&D prop repair 918-207-6938Hulbert,okla 74441
Reply:Well, you being the Prop Expert and couldn't convince him he needed new props, you probably won't convince him he needs extra material over this spot either. Some people just have more Dollars than Sense. You'll probably be called back in a few years to do this job over, maybe then he'll need new props too, if he don't need them before that time. But he's probably the kind that won't get new props until AFTER getting the lower units of his outdrives rebuilt because of running out of balance props. Then the insurance co. will probably pay for them as well. Even though he could have avoided the lower unit rebuild intirely by running good/balanced props to begin with.He.'ll think the vibration coming from the back of the boat is normal, until the bearings fall out and he ends up getting towed back in.
Reply:prop-doc,Know you do good work, but....I've never let a "non-welder" tell me HOW to do a repair.  I've had to explain my rationalle as to "why" at times, but I've also walked off jobs where the owner/yard wouldn't let me fix it the way I knew it should be fixed.  My "long term" reputation is worth more than any one job.I suspect the "waterfront/marine community" there is a lot like here.  Very small and tight knit.  Screw up a job and everyone in town knows about it before the sun sets.Sounds like you may have even had access to the inside, since it's adjacent to a bilge pump.  I'd want to know a lot more about the job before I just dabbed a bit of filler on the exterior.  Generally, when I see a problem like that, it's just "the tip of the iceburg".If that boat sinks in the next few months (or year), don't think the insurance man won't be knocking on your door.Syncro 250 DX Dynasty 200 DXMM 251 w/30A SG XMT 304 w/714 Feeder & Optima PulserHH187Dialarc 250 AC/DCHypertherm PM 1250Smith, Harris, Victor O/ASmith and Thermco Gas MixersAccess to a full fab shop with CNC Plasma, Water Jet, etc.
Reply:I concour (?)  AGREEpeps with boats like that and use them 3-4 weeks a yr allways have mo-bux than cents  LOLnow i coulda guessed that who ever installed the bilge pump may have drilled tooo far an craked HULLbut thats were big ears an a small voice say,,, weld  weld  thats U jobidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tigidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tig #2 used for sticklincoln sp100hh125dual arbor grinder polisher30 yrs of hand tools52 pitch blocks 6p-26prake gauge -pitch gaugeG&D prop repair 918-207-6938Hulbert,okla 74441
Reply:yep SD  tight kniti puy WAY more bead over the spot than needed it was just that bulk head that was leaking now if i tell that it may have been over drilled at one pointi may have UPSET the owner and caused the job to be nilled (if i said that to the adjuster)what would you have done?????one of those catch 22 dealskinda one reason i stay in shop repair ---I GOT CONTROLidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tigidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tig #2 used for sticklincoln sp100hh125dual arbor grinder polisher30 yrs of hand tools52 pitch blocks 6p-26prake gauge -pitch gaugeG&D prop repair 918-207-6938Hulbert,okla 74441prop-doc,Funny you should ask.Couple years ago one of the local yard managers brought me a Tide-Ride boarding ladder to repair.  Handrail supports had been pulled out.Drug the unit into my shop and started telling me how he wanted it repaired.I didn't say anything at that point.  Reached down and picked the unit up and set it on one of my sets of work horses.  Rolled the Sync 250 over to that section of the shop.  Hooked up the work lead, laid the torch on the steps, and laid a couple filler rods next to the torch.  Went off to another part of the shop and went back to work.He looked kinda puzzled when he walked over and asked, "when did I think I'd have it ready?".  Told him never.  Seemed like he knew how to do it so I gave HIM the tools.  He got the point and has become one of my better customers.Syncro 250 DX Dynasty 200 DXMM 251 w/30A SG XMT 304 w/714 Feeder & Optima PulserHH187Dialarc 250 AC/DCHypertherm PM 1250Smith, Harris, Victor O/ASmith and Thermco Gas MixersAccess to a full fab shop with CNC Plasma, Water Jet, etc.
Reply:lol  have done that too when i was turning wrenchs for Cummins  in Albu.NMwith a truck driver i was working on truck --then he comes up and grabs a screwdrive from my box and starts checking hose clamps i put down my tools and sat back and watched him till he was done HE asked, you done --i said nope  but when you are I'll go back to work he put the driver on the toolbox an huffs  off to the loungeidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tigidealarc 250/250 ac-dc tig #2 used for sticklincoln sp100hh125dual arbor grinder polisher30 yrs of hand tools52 pitch blocks 6p-26prake gauge -pitch gaugeG&D prop repair 918-207-6938Hulbert,okla 74441