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Well, Seems I'll be starting to teach my daughter, 14, how to weld. I was wondering if any of the welding teachers or those with welding experience could give em advice on planning.I figure I'd try to teach her basics in this order depending on her interest and time. I have up to 4 years or so to take if needed1. Soldering. (Tin/antimony only) Teach her how to solder copper and iron pipe, soldering plate, and others. This can introduce her to a lot fo safety aspects, start good habits, and the basics of how molten metals can flow with or without cappilary action.2. Oxy cutting and oxy heating. To get her familiar with personal safety, fire hazards and avoidance, cutting concepts, Torch operations heat and it's uses, and to get comfortable in using full PPE.4. Mig welding, and Spool welding. Here I can teach her electrical safety and hazards, weld puddles, moving the torch to create different weld dynamics, impurities, grinding, and cleanup.5. Stick welding. An expansion on Mig welding to learn techniques and safety issues specific to this. Slag control, and stick patterns.6 Oxy brazing, an expansion on soldering that applies concepts learned previously to deal with higher heat, safety and introducing a filler rod.7.Oxy welding. Further expansion on previous with lots of practice.8. Tig operation and welding.. Take all the skills learned previously and apply them here.Is this a realistic path?ThanksLast edited by Housedad; 12-10-2012 at 09:49 PM.Victor Oxy weld/cut Setup Meco Midget Torch outfitEverlast 2016 250EX & Power Cool W300Lincoln Power mig 210MP w/amptrol and Spool GunEverlast Powerarc 200 Hypertherm Powermax 45Bandsaw, Lathe, grinders, press, Bridgeport, etc.
Reply:Oh, yeah, i am proud to say she and I went to the LWS and did a full PPE purchase for her today. Lincoln 2450 helmet, leather sleeved coat, fabric coat, full leather apron, Miller mig/tig gloves, Oxy shaded face shield, stick gloves that actually fit, sleek safety gogles, cap, bandanna, a Lincoln bag to put it all in, and steel toe boots at K-mart. She was estatic. Just have to finish the welding cart and welding table and we can begin. (note to previous post of mine: I have found a local retired welder in the neighborhood that I can call in for $20 and hour to teach her things and techniques that I don't know. I have a feeling that it will be many times. LOL)Victor Oxy weld/cut Setup Meco Midget Torch outfitEverlast 2016 250EX & Power Cool W300Lincoln Power mig 210MP w/amptrol and Spool GunEverlast Powerarc 200 Hypertherm Powermax 45Bandsaw, Lathe, grinders, press, Bridgeport, etc.
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749Anything you're teaching her is going to be a benefit.I still can't stress enough how good it is to learn how to stick weld & do it well. Throw that in if you can.Seen a good share of guys who are superstars with a MIG machine, but utterly lost if they had to stick weld.6010 & 7018 are great for almost every general welding application out there.Teach her what is most comfortable for you tho.Good luck with it.
Reply:Sounds reasonable. I might flip #4 and #5 and do brazing after soldering rather than go to mig then back to brazing, but that's a minor issue.A few thoughts having worked with kids in Scouts.Safety is #1. Don't skimp on safety, but don't scare them either. They also need good well fitting personal PPE. Giving a kid your spare hood so they can watch once in a while is one thing, but the safety gear they use needs to fit them well. My LWS stocks very few gloves in small size for example, but there's enough there to check fit at least. Then they can order what you need in the size that fits. ( I found I need medium gloves with my short fingers, so I order in my tig and mig gloves in Medium) Let them be part of the choice as well, especially young ladies to whom "fashion" is a big deal. It might not matter to you, but it does to them. Taking them to the supply house to get gear is also a chance to show and teach them at the same time. Might also be a chance for her to "customize" her own stuff with some paint or stickers etc. You might also think about giving her her own box or bag to keep all her stuff in.Pick projects that will interest them. If you just do coupons, they will get bored fast. Try to talk to her and see if there's a project she might like to work on. For soldering it might be some sort of sculpture in copper wire or maybe a lamp or picture frame if you are working in copper sheet. For soldering pipe, I saw a really neat water feature one time. It was a bucket or watering can and out of the opening was a pipe with a 90 deg angle and a faucet. Water ran from the faucet back into the can/bucket below. A cheap pond pump hidden in the bucket supplied the water to the faucet. Great for the garden or maybe as a gift to a family member. Mig, maybe horse shoe coat racks ( most girls love anything to do with horses) Gifts for family or friends are always good projects. Projects can grow as skills with tools and equipment increases. #3 keep the lessons short. They will have a limited attention span even with neat projects. As soon as it even looks like they aren't interested or are getting tired and sloppy, it's time to call it quits for now and go do something else. Let them go at their own pace. Push to hard and you will drive them away because it becomes 'work", not fun.#4 don't be in a rush to do everything. Let them try and fail, especially cutting and fit up. Fab work is more than 90% of welding. It also builds all sorts of skills that transfer to other areas. Measuring, order of operation, problem solving, confidence, the ability to adapt when things don't go the way they are supposed to, budgeting and estimating materials. how to maximize usable materials and minimize waste, recycling ( what can be make with this old thing?), basic hand and power tool skills, imagination, drawing skills, research skills... I can go on and on about all the things working with your hands builds. It's why I think it's a shame kids don't get the chance to take shop many places these days any more.On this subject you'd be surprised how many young ladies and women are delighted to get to use tools to cut, fit etc. Most never get the chance as guys almost always want to jump in and do that sort of stuff for them. when someone lets them do it themselves, they really feel they accomplished something and that you were not patronizing them. I've seen this at the tech school, with friends and family and even with a few clients.Edit: I see you covered PPE while I was typing..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:My ultimate object here is to teach safety, concepts, procedures and technique in that order. But more along the lines of getting a good beginning in each area with strong emphasis on safety and safe operation.Victor Oxy weld/cut Setup Meco Midget Torch outfitEverlast 2016 250EX & Power Cool W300Lincoln Power mig 210MP w/amptrol and Spool GunEverlast Powerarc 200 Hypertherm Powermax 45Bandsaw, Lathe, grinders, press, Bridgeport, etc.
Reply:Keep it fun for her, some easy tack weld projects will hold her interest. You're a lucky guy, enjoy the time together!I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:Thanks, guys!DSW, Thanks for writing that up. I will need those words almost as a bible. Patience is key. As you pointed out with scouts, I did learn about stuff like that with Girl scouts. My wife and I became Girl Scouts to start a troop years ago for our first daughter. We no longer have a troop, but are active in they younger daugheters troop. Everything you mentioned definately applies and I will be printing it up to remind me on a constant basis.Victor Oxy weld/cut Setup Meco Midget Torch outfitEverlast 2016 250EX & Power Cool W300Lincoln Power mig 210MP w/amptrol and Spool GunEverlast Powerarc 200 Hypertherm Powermax 45Bandsaw, Lathe, grinders, press, Bridgeport, etc.
Reply:Great of you to teach her. I kind of wish my dad was like that or I could find someone to take the time to teach me. My dads a truck driver so he's not home much and isn't really interested in welding or working on stuff like me. He thinks it's cool that I do it, he just doesn't want to. Your daughter is a lucky kid. Have fun -Pat
Reply:Originally Posted by AMWelder89Great of you to teach her. I kind of wish my dad was like that or I could find someone to take the time to teach me. My dads a truck driver so he's not home much and isn't really interested in welding or working on stuff like me. He thinks it's cool that I do it, he just doesn't want to. Your daughter is a lucky kid. Have fun -Pat
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWPat I'll assume from your post that you are younger than 18. You might look into Scouts or 4-H. Both have a variety of programs that may interest you. Both have welding programs ( though they may or may not in your local area). One of the greatest thing I found about Scouts when I was in was that I was exposed to a huge range of interesting jobs and hobbies. Shooting, hiking, camping, metal fab, wood working, leather work, boating, fishing and on and on. I got to go to some really interesting places because of dads of other members. I went spelunking in caves in WV, did rock climbing and repelling, did tours of numerous military bases both Army, Navy and Air Force, got an inside tour of Grand Coule Dam, did all the Smithsonian museums, camped for a weekend in an ice cave we made, never did SCUBA when in, but I've helped several Scout troops get ready for adventure camp with SCUBA...4-H is very similar, but a bit more farm based in many areas. Still they do a lot of the stuff Scouts do as well, Archery, rifle, shotgun, welding...If you find a good group I doubt you will regret it.If you are older. Look into local high school votech schools and community colleges. I learned tig by going to night classes at one of the local tech schools years ago. Last year I went back and did two terms to learn basic machining. They also have auto body, cooking, carpentry, plumbing and electrical as well as other classes. This past summer I took a forging class offered by a local college. I may take another class this spring or summer there again to get more forge skills. They also offer a stone carving class that looks interesting. I know when I was in college one of the near by schools had a stained glass class they offered... Many people never even bother to look and see what classes are available to them locally. Many classes are stupid cheap when you start adding things up.
Reply:Originally Posted by HousedadWell, Seems I'll be starting to teach my daughter, 14, how to weld. I was wondering if any of the welding teachers or those with welding experience could give em advice on planning.I figure I'd try to teach her basics in this order depending on her interest and time. I have up to 4 years or so to take if needed1. Soldering. (Tin/antimony only) Teach her how to solder copper and iron pipe, soldering plate, and others. This can introduce her to a lot fo safety aspects, start good habits, and the basics of how molten metals can flow with or without cappilary action.2. Oxy cutting and oxy heating. To get her familiar with personal safety, fire hazards and avoidance, cutting concepts, Torch operations heat and it's uses, and to get comfortable in using full PPE.4. Mig welding, and Spool welding. Here I can teach her electrical safety and hazards, weld puddles, moving the torch to create different weld dynamics, impurities, grinding, and cleanup.5. Stick welding. An expansion on Mig welding to learn techniques and safety issues specific to this. Slag control, and stick patterns.6 Oxy brazing, an expansion on soldering that applies concepts learned previously to deal with higher heat, safety and introducing a filler rod.7.Oxy welding. Further expansion on previous with lots of practice.8. Tig operation and welding.. Take all the skills learned previously and apply them here.Is this a realistic path?Thanks
Reply:Originally Posted by HousedadWell, Seems I'll be starting to teach my daughter, 14, how to weld. I was wondering if any of the welding teachers or those with welding experience could give em advice on planning.I figure I'd try to teach her basics in this order depending on her interest and time. I have up to 4 years or so to take if needed1. Soldering. (Tin/antimony only) Teach her how to solder copper and iron pipe, soldering plate, and others. This can introduce her to a lot fo safety aspects, start good habits, and the basics of how molten metals can flow with or without cappilary action.2. Oxy cutting and oxy heating. To get her familiar with personal safety, fire hazards and avoidance, cutting concepts, Torch operations heat and it's uses, and to get comfortable in using full PPE.4. Mig welding, and Spool welding. Here I can teach her electrical safety and hazards, weld puddles, moving the torch to create different weld dynamics, impurities, grinding, and cleanup.5. Stick welding. An expansion on Mig welding to learn techniques and safety issues specific to this. Slag control, and stick patterns.6 Oxy brazing, an expansion on soldering that applies concepts learned previously to deal with higher heat, safety and introducing a filler rod.7.Oxy welding. Further expansion on previous with lots of practice.8. Tig operation and welding.. Take all the skills learned previously and apply them here.Is this a realistic path?Thanks
Reply:No matter how good you are you may to brush up to ensure you don't teach her bad habits. They can be darn hard to break.Miller thunderbolt 250Decastar 135ERecovering tool-o-holic ESAB OAI have been interested or involved in Electrical, Fire Alarm, Auto, Marine, Welding, Electronics ETC to name a just a few. So YES you can own too many tools.
Reply:Show her some of the art, sculpture, architectural, furniture and craft work that is being done using welding. This may be more of a motivation for her to learn to weld. Also let her know how much women welders can earn in the trades. You are very lucky to have a daughter who is interested.good luck."The reason we are here is that we are not all there"SA 200Idealarc TM 300 300MM 200MM 25130a SpoolgunPrecision Tig 375Invertec V350 ProSC-32 CS 12 Wire FeederOxweld/Purox O/AArcAirHypertherm Powermax 85LN25
Reply:Thanks folks.Great ideas Rog02. I know that the first area is soldering, and It can be fun. While we work on that, I can fine tune the order of where to go from there. I got a feeling that once she learns to make cool stuff with soldering, she will take off making stuff and learning.I 'm considering a Meco Midget kit from Tinmantech to go along with my victor outfit.. That would allow her to start making small to medium artwork to help keep things interesting when the time comes and do it with a more comfortable torch for her small hands.. I just ordered a bunch of free training (and safety) posters and publications from the Lincoln website, and ordered the Wal Mountain video series. Sometime today I'll be ordering the Miller education package http://www.millerwelds.com/resources/tools/#calculators With all that, the net, and Weldingweb, I think it will work out well.Victor Oxy weld/cut Setup Meco Midget Torch outfitEverlast 2016 250EX & Power Cool W300Lincoln Power mig 210MP w/amptrol and Spool GunEverlast Powerarc 200 Hypertherm Powermax 45Bandsaw, Lathe, grinders, press, Bridgeport, etc.
Reply:Another thought just occurred to me when you mentioned the midget torch. We would occasionally get art students in at the other tech school I used to work with. Lots of the ones wanting to learn OA and brazing were learning so they could work on jewelry, so there's another idea for projects that a young lady might be interested in making..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Originally Posted by HousedadThanks folks.Great ideas Rog02. I know that the first area is soldering, and It can be fun. While we work on that, I can fine tune the order of where to go from there. I got a feeling that once she learns to make cool stuff with soldering, she will take off making stuff and learning.
Reply:Smartflix has quite a few metal working videos you can rent.http://smartflix.com/store/category/115/MetalworkingThere's a ton of welding vids you can rent like Ron Corvels.http://smartflix.com/store/author/21/Ron-CovellYou might also find some of George Goehl's OA videos interesting and helpful. I haven't gotten these yet, but they look very interesting.http://smartflix.com/store/author/113/George-Goehl.No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Meco Torch ordered. Torch, 00 through 4 tips, lightweight hose, Y shutoff valves to work with current Oxy/acet setup. from Tinmantech.https://www.tinmantech.com/html/all_meco_related.phpOrdered a Everlast 200 Powerarc. Better duty cycle than Square Wave 175 and eats less current. Ordered a new Lincoln stinger handle as that is what I am used to. Heck, I have a lot to practice. Been out of this too long. Looks like I will end up teaching her and myself at the same time. Luckily I am a housedad and I have time during the day while she is at school to practice myself and set up projects and lessons when she has the time and inclination to do them..(with just a small reminder now and then)Last edited by Housedad; 12-12-2012 at 05:39 PM.Victor Oxy weld/cut Setup Meco Midget Torch outfitEverlast 2016 250EX & Power Cool W300Lincoln Power mig 210MP w/amptrol and Spool GunEverlast Powerarc 200 Hypertherm Powermax 45Bandsaw, Lathe, grinders, press, Bridgeport, etc.
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWSmartflix has quite a few metal working videos you can rent.http://smartflix.com/store/category/115/MetalworkingThere's a ton of welding vids you can rent like Ron Corvels.http://smartflix.com/store/author/21/Ron-CovellYou might also find some of George Goehl's OA videos interesting and helpful. I haven't gotten these yet, but they look very interesting.http://smartflix.com/store/author/113/George-Goehl
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Reply:Hey Housedad what a great post you have here. After reading you forgot about plasma cutting and gouging? Also you could teach her how to prep a project for painting. Maybe let her pick out her favorite paint color? Here is a different idea also maybe let her bring a friend or her favorite aunt or cousin or her mother ? I showed friends to weld and i figured out that if you make it fun for them they will enjoy it a lot more. also let her come up with a welding project makes it more fun? Maybe you could take her to the steel yard . You could make it a whole new welding experience. Good luckMillermatic 211 with mvp plugs miller titanium series welding helmetstihl chain saws 8 ft welding table
Reply:Noop. As soon as she grabs the caulk gun, like many on this forum, she won't want to use anything else.126784Bubble gumTooth pixDuct tapeBlack glueGBMF hammerScrew gun --bad battery (see above)
Reply:Good for you! I spent some quality time with my 11 year old granddaughter this summer. She lives 2000 miles away so our time was limited. She saw some of my junque yard art and liked the iron sprocket flowers. We covered safety but I wanted her to be able to make something she could take home. She sketched out her own ideas and we made a dragonfly out of a 12" gate hinge bolt and some sheet steel and a flower so she used a OA torch, grinder, and stick SMAW. I helped a lot but she did enough to feel like it was hers.I don't know if Girl Scouts offers a welding badge but they should.Let her complete a fun project before she gets too bored with the technical stuff.
Reply:Originally Posted by HousedadWell, Seems I'll be starting to teach my daughter, 14, how to weld. I was wondering if any of the welding teachers or those with welding experience could give em advice on planning.I figure I'd try to teach her basics in this order depending on her interest and time. I have up to 4 years or so to take if needed1. Soldering. (Tin/antimony only) Teach her how to solder copper and iron pipe, soldering plate, and others. This can introduce her to a lot fo safety aspects, start good habits, and the basics of how molten metals can flow with or without cappilary action.2. Oxy cutting and oxy heating. To get her familiar with personal safety, fire hazards and avoidance, cutting concepts, Torch operations heat and it's uses, and to get comfortable in using full PPE.4. Mig welding, and Spool welding. Here I can teach her electrical safety and hazards, weld puddles, moving the torch to create different weld dynamics, impurities, grinding, and cleanup.5. Stick welding. An expansion on Mig welding to learn techniques and safety issues specific to this. Slag control, and stick patterns.6 Oxy brazing, an expansion on soldering that applies concepts learned previously to deal with higher heat, safety and introducing a filler rod.7.Oxy welding. Further expansion on previous with lots of practice.8. Tig operation and welding.. Take all the skills learned previously and apply them here.Is this a realistic path?ThanksI love this thread. I love children, I have 3 myself. Both my daughters have their own auto dark shields. My oldest girl is 6. She watches every move I make while stick welding in the shop. When I need another rod, she hands me one before I can ask for it. I can tell she has an interest in it and that makes me happy. I love teaching kids also. Both my daughters have logged many hours in my shop watching my CNC/plasma table cut out parts and metal art. Many items we've cut are things for them to paint themselves and hang on the wall in their room. I'll know I have succeeded when each of them pass an all position structural stick welding test with the CWB when they are older. I'll teach them how to do that as well My son is only 1, his day will come as well. I can't wait.Momma wants the kids to grow up being nurses and bankers etc...daddy has a back up plan that will allow them to make all the $ they want. It's up to them and it never hurts to have a skilled trade to fall back on I need be.Last edited by snoeproe; 10-15-2013 at 04:43 PM.
Reply:As others have said, make it FUN, let her make screw ups (except in the area of safety) and KIDNLY teach her how to fix them- best way to learn IMO.Personally, I would start with OA welding or stick first. I learned on stick first, and think that is the best for creating a foundation with welding. Once you learn how to start an arc and control the puddle, it's a lot easier to learn MIG and TIG."I fully know my place in life, and it's behind a welding helmet...." - Jesse JamesIG: @weldakota |
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