syncrowave or dynasty for shop???

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Im looking to buy a new shop welder...I do all kinds of fab ,, stick, tig, stainless ,,aluminum,,Whats your thoughts,??I was raised on an old school syncrowave,, but I hear a lot of guys talkin about the dynasty. ?.I aint here for a long time,,,,just here for a good time.!!
Reply:if you want it to be portable, then dynasty. if that's not an issue then synchrowave.Dynasty 200DXPassport plus w/ spoolmate 100victor 315c oxy/(act and prop)Miller digital elitemilwaukee power tools
Reply:Youll probably get a better deal and spend alot less on a syncrowave. I got my syncrowave 300 for 250 bucks! Works perfectly and i use it every day.-DaveAll Custom Welding and Fabrication
Reply:The Syncro will be cheaper but tougher to power when full tilt.  Depending on how much welding you do, the Dynasty has a lot more features you may or may not use.  The three I've found the most helpful are high speed pulse, AC frequency adjustment and expanded balance adjustment.  There are times when you want higher AC frequency than the fixed 60 on the Tranny machines.  I find it the most useful on small tight fillet joints.  High speed pulse is really nice when you're welding something with a very thin edge to something thicker.  Really gives you crazy puddle control. The ability to increase the EN/EP ratio on the dynasty up to 95 (IIRC the Syncro goes 68, that's it) allows a smaller tungsten to hold a point longer on AC.TA Arcmaster 300CM3XMT 304S22P12 suitcase feederX-Treme 12VSOptima pulserTA161SMaxstar 150STLHypertherm PM45OP setupStihl 020AVP, 039, 066 Magnum
Reply:if you want it to be portable, then dynasty.Last edited by reinesos; 11-29-2013 at 11:09 AM.
Reply:After welding with both and if i had the money i would go with the dynasty....but that's me and i had Terry (shovelon) teaching meBacked my CATMA over your CARMA oops clusmy me  What would SATAN do ?? Miller Trailblazer 302 AirPakMiller Digital Elite  Optrel Welding HatArcair K4000Suitcase 12RC / 12 VSHypertherm PM-45Rage 3 sawRusty old Truck
Reply:I have a Syncro 250 but would go with the Dynasty if I had it to do over. For full tilt the Syncro needs a 100A source and I'm running off a 50A... If I get over 150-160A AC for any length of time I end up popping the breaker. Makes 1/4" aluminum kind of toughMiller Dynasty 200DXMiller 252 Miller 250xMiller Syncrowave 250Miller AEAD200 LegendMiller 375 Xtreme plasmaLincoln WeldPak 100Victor O/A
Reply:We use dynasty's in our shop
Reply:Thanks guys...I have maxstar 150,and 200 for field work...I just need a new shop big dawg..;-)Dynasty being newer how have they been holding up any issues.?? thought I herd some board issues..??I want a 350 ..just need to find a good price for either..
Reply:The dynasty has more control options then the snycrowave, but you pay for those options. I think it would depend on the work you are using it for. Aluminum and exotic alloys the Dynasty would be my choice. Steel and Stainless I would go with the sync and save some money upfront. The Dynasty will save some money in the long run in power consumption. Just my 2 cents worth.Mike
Reply:Well i'm sure Terry will be along to comment and he can tell you all about the dynasty machines he has a 700 two or three 350 and a 200 at his shop If anyone can tell you about tig or dynasty's it's himBacked my CATMA over your CARMA oops clusmy me  What would SATAN do ?? Miller Trailblazer 302 AirPakMiller Digital Elite  Optrel Welding HatArcair K4000Suitcase 12RC / 12 VSHypertherm PM-45Rage 3 sawRusty old Truck
Reply:When I got out of welding school back in 2010 I bought a Dynasty 200 DX. I only do tig with it and money well spent. I love it. I am just starting to mess with pulse feature to figure it out. Haven't needed or used it so far in 3 years still its a killer machine.
Reply:Originally Posted by AKmudI have a Syncro 250 but would go with the Dynasty if I had it to do over. For full tilt the Syncro needs a 100A source and I'm running off a 50A... If I get over 150-160A AC for any length of time I end up popping the breaker. Makes 1/4" aluminum kind of tough
Reply:Well here I am. If I was in the market for a transformer tig it would be Lincoln Precision Tig. Not because Syncs don't work well, but because Lincoln come standard with PFC. Miller sells theirs with PFC as an option. Unsuspecting buyers take possesion of the Sync and have to make a choice to upgrade their service(many thousands) or field install the PFC kit(I was quoted $1100).On the other hand I went 3 phase long ago for performance and power savings. My transformer Hobart CyberWaves delivered on all counts but needed yearly shop maintenance to synchronize the transformers or they go boom. Well they all went boom eventually. I ventured onto 3 phase Miller AeroWave inverter hybrids, and they delivered the same performance at half the power draw. Light bulb went on big time. They all went boom though and now I am with true inverters(8 years). With the volume of work we do, and only 2 Dynastys went boom. One got repaired in warranty and keeps on chugging. The other is dead and replace with a Blue Lightning Dynasty700.So between the PFC issue the Syncs have, and the awesome Blue Lightning feature the Dynastys have, and the obvious power savings, the Dynasty is of course my choice.If power draw is of no concern, and the Sync can do what you want, then the choice is a toss up. Again I would still opt for a Lincoln tranny tig if that is the way you go. I am obviously biased though against Miller for cheaping out and not making PFC standard.Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li  ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.
Reply:Well I'm going to start looking at the  dynasty then...Anybody interested in an old Powcon 500...lol...
Reply:My friend who is a Welding machine distributor returned from some Miller factory sponsored course for his company about two weeks ago.  He told me that the Miller representative said they are going to discontinue  the Sychrowave line late next year or early 2015.   Get one soon or pay for more expensive inverter machines later, I guess.Lincoln Power Mig 216Lincoln AC/DC-225/125Miller  625 X-Treme PlasmaMiller 211 Forney 95FI-A 301HF 91110Victor Journeyman O/PMilwaukee DaytonMakita  Baileigh NRA Life Member
Reply:Originally Posted by gizzmoNot to argue but, I have my syncro 250 on a 70 amp breaker and never trip it. Gizzmo
Reply:My Syncro 250 had the PFC.  Only needed a 60 amp breaker to go WOT.  The PFC made it pull 53 amps at idle though, I had to disconnect it cause I only have a 50.  Look it up in the miller manual.  I'd look into the new TA/Tweco tigs as well.  Shovelon has a TA as well and IIRC, he likes it.  I have a TA300 Arcmaster and I love the damn thing.  Japanese made and can be found used with a little hunting.  The new 301 Arcmaster tig runner looks like a hot package at around $4000.TA Arcmaster 300CM3XMT 304S22P12 suitcase feederX-Treme 12VSOptima pulserTA161SMaxstar 150STLHypertherm PM45OP setupStihl 020AVP, 039, 066 Magnum
Reply:53A at idle is crazy. Without the PFC I think it pulls 4A at idle. My electric bill couldn't handle the PFC add on!Miller Dynasty 200DXMiller 252 Miller 250xMiller Syncrowave 250Miller AEAD200 LegendMiller 375 Xtreme plasmaLincoln WeldPak 100Victor O/A
Reply:Originally Posted by AKmud53A at idle is crazy. Without the PFC I think it pulls 4A at idle. My electric bill couldn't handle the PFC add on!
Reply:Originally Posted by AKmud53A at idle is crazy. Without the PFC I think it pulls 4A at idle. My electric bill couldn't handle the PFC add on!
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonTrue. But I bet you are surging at over 100amps, and that is a deal breaker for me. We learned to warm up the machine for a few minutes, set up the welds, and knock them out. Either on to the next weld or shut down the machine. That way we could put more people operating tig machines on any given circuit. Did I say I am done with tranny tigs?
Reply:Superarc. I'm not great when it comes to electrical power, but here's the way it was explained to me. The caps in the system using PFC store power. When you need that power, they release it cutting down the max amps that are drawn under load. However when idle these caps keep charging, hence why they have a very high draw at idle, but low max draw under load compared to the same unit without the PFC caps. It's useful in shops where they pay for power based on demand. High and low spikes in the power cause your bill to actually be higher. If you draw a nice steady draw, the power company doesn't charge you as much even though you do the same amount of work with the PFCs as without. I believe this has to do with how much "reserve" power the power company has to have available. They plan this based on your highest usage, assuming that in a worst case scenario, that's the power you will need to use, and thus that's how much power they need to generate just in case you need it. If you flatten out the spike, even though you draw more over  time, the power company doesn't have to make all that "wasted" power, just in case you need it. Thus they cut you a brake in cost since you are using all the power they are making for "you" and there isn't power that is just sitting there waiting in case you need it.I'm sure this was way over simplified so I could grasp the concept and understand it better. Maybe someone else can explain it better..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Originally Posted by AKmud53A at idle is crazy. Without the PFC I think it pulls 4A at idle. My electric bill couldn't handle the PFC add on!
Reply:Originally Posted by Silicon-basedActually, the PFC caps won't make your electric bill go up at all. They draw a fairly high CURRENT but almost no POWER. It sounds counter-intuitive, right? Power = amps times volts.But that's only true with DC. On AC, caps draw current out of sync with voltage, so the actual power draw is near zero. So as long as your breaker can handle it, you can let the welder run with no fear of high electric bills.JohnOriginally Posted by Silicon-basedActually, the PFC caps won't make your electric bill go up at all. They draw a fairly high CURRENT but almost no POWER. It sounds counter-intuitive, right? Power = amps times volts.But that's only true with DC. On AC, caps draw current out of sync with voltage, so the actual power draw is near zero. So as long as your breaker can handle it, you can let the welder run with no fear of high electric bills.John
Reply:I called Miller about it after my electrician brother said it made no sense. The tech at Miller said that the PFC caps were continually pulling current from the circuit and then putting it back in so that they were ready to push additional power when needed.  He told me that they would not increase my electric bill one bit.  My machine would 100% trip a 50 amp breaker at idle with the Pfc connected. Disconnected, it pulled 8 amps but needed more to put out at full throttle.TA Arcmaster 300CM3XMT 304S22P12 suitcase feederX-Treme 12VSOptima pulserTA161SMaxstar 150STLHypertherm PM45OP setupStihl 020AVP, 039, 066 Magnum
Reply:Originally Posted by Drf255I called Miller about it after my electrician brother said it made no sense. The tech at Miller said that the PFC caps were continually pulling current from the circuit and then putting it back in so that they were ready to push additional power when needed.  He told me that they would not increase my electric bill one bit.  My machine would 100% trip a 50 amp breaker at idle with the Pfc connected. Disconnected, it pulled 8 amps but needed more to put out at full throttle.
Reply:It was a 250.  I got rid of it and went inverter because I only gave 50 amps and not much room in my garage.TA Arcmaster 300CM3XMT 304S22P12 suitcase feederX-Treme 12VSOptima pulserTA161SMaxstar 150STLHypertherm PM45OP setupStihl 020AVP, 039, 066 Magnum
Reply:Originally Posted by Drf255It was a 250.  I got rid of it and went inverter because I only gave 50 amps and not much room in my garage.
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveI was hoping someone would mention this - I have PFC on my Airco and looked up the theory that last time someone brought it up.After research I'm convinced it's true but am not really sure I fully understand it. If I understand what I read - the out of phase current is not read by the meter?  Someone clarify please.
Reply:Originally Posted by SuperArcMy friend who is a Welding machine distributor returned from some Miller factory sponsored course for his company about two weeks ago.  He told me that the Miller representative said they are going to discontinue  the Sychrowave line late next year or early 2015.   Get one soon or pay for more expensive inverter machines later, I guess.