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Not really much welding, but its right up our alley... http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/guides...xford_and_SonsHTP Invertig 201Lincoln Idealarc SP250Miller 180 AC StickBy farmall:They should have held the seagull closer to the work, squeezing evenly for best deposition.
Reply:wow, all those guys staring at lathes with no saftey galsses on. Times sure were different back then.ESAB MigMaster 275Miller Econotwin HFMiller Syncrowave 250
Reply:Any one else note the general lack of over head lights and the huge windows to supply natural light? And people think "green" is a new concept....No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWAny one else note the general lack of over head lights and the huge windows to supply natural light? And people think "green" is a new concept...
Reply:Originally Posted by mathilI'm gonna take a swing and say that "green" had 0% to do with it. Electricity was expensive, especially during the 30's. Keep in mind these guys also built engines that consumed  6 tons of diesel a day...
Reply:Cool pantograph setup with the torch:
Reply:Nice pantograph! And it is CNC, Charlie numerical control!!
Reply:Wow!  Those pictures are amazing!  That was back when men were men and boys were made into men darn quick!  Work like on that scale would generate so many jobs in todays broken economy. Stop and think about it, . . . the politicians up there in dc today can't even put their finger on work ethic like that!  That was back when MEN WORKED for a living.  I'm glad my dad taught me skills to work with my hands first, before I went into the army and off to college.  Any day welding is an earned income.-MikeThurston WeldingHuntington, IN
Reply:Originally Posted by DSW ... they did this in the 30's like you mentioned......I'd bet most of those engines were steam rather than diesel if your date of the 30's is right.
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Reply:Does anyone else think this guy looks like Jude Law?Do what it takes to get the job done right.
Reply:I also enjoyed seeing the engineers in their white coats that actually had some dirt on them.Do what it takes to get the job done right.
Reply:Originally Posted by Mick120If that pic was taken today, the guy would have eye, ear and dayglo body protection.The con rod would be strapped and bolted down and, the area would be bristling with warning signs, cages, laser guards etc......How did they survive without all that....
Reply:Those pictures are amazing and depict what the world was like when things were made by hand and made with quality.As far as going green is concerned, ships are one of the most economical modes of freight transportation. Those ships burned a lot more than 6 tons of fuel per day. However, when you take into consideration a ship can move 100,000 tons of cargo at one time, they are not so bad. When I first started working on ships I could not believe that the steam turbine power plant could burn 1200Bbls a day, but making 30,000 SHP isn't easy. Reciprocating steam engines are still powering ships to this day and steam turbines can be found on many new ships, most notably nuclear aircraft carriers. Ships are an amazing feat in engineering and construction. Most people could not even begin to understand what goes into creating and operating a ship.Cain's Mechanical LLC Southwick, MAwww.cainsmechanical.comRig:-2006 Chevy 2500 utility body-Lincoln Ranger 10-Miller Spectrum -Tons of hand and power toolsAWS D1.2 Structural Steel Certification
Reply:I REALLY love this stuff. Whenever I am on the rivers off Lake Michigan, I can pull the boat up next to a HUGE ship and just stare at it for a long time. I just look at every detail, from the welds to the 2" thick steel rub rails."Where's Stick man????????" - 7A749"SHHHHHH!! I sent him over to snag that MIC-4 while tbone wasn't looking!" - duaneb55"I have bought a few of Tbone's things unlike Stick-Man who helps himself" - TozziWelding"Stick-man"
Reply:Wish we still built stuff like this. I am still young and doing large scale work like that manually is a dream of mine! (as i sit here listening to cncs run at work) And forgive me for reposting these pictures. I should be sued for thatHTP Invertig 201Lincoln Idealarc SP250Miller 180 AC StickBy farmall:They should have held the seagull closer to the work, squeezing evenly for best deposition.
Reply:the thing i noticed above all others was that they were Brits making British products with mostly British machines.    Back when people took pride in everything including work and countryVantage 500's LN-25's, VI-400's, cobramatics, Miller migs, synch 350 LX, Powcon inverters, XMT's, 250 Ton Acurrpress 12' brake, 1/4" 10' Atlantic shear,Koikie plasma table W/ esab plasmas. marvel & hyd-mech saws, pirrana & metal muncher punches.
Reply:Originally Posted by Dualiethe thing i noticed above all others was that they were Brits making British products with mostly British machines.    Back when people took pride in everything including work and country
Reply:Yes it would create jobs, but now everyone wants to make make 50$ an hour, have full benefits, be unionized, and as soon as you tell them to lift a heavier piece, they all go on strike and declare that things aren't safe in there.... they would still be more boys than men I think. Originally Posted by skidaddyWow!  Those pictures are amazing!  That was back when men were men and boys were made into men darn quick!  Work like on that scale would generate so many jobs in todays broken economy. Stop and think about it, . . . the politicians up there in dc today can't even put their finger on work ethic like that!  That was back when MEN WORKED for a living.  I'm glad my dad taught me skills to work with my hands first, before I went into the army and off to college.  Any day welding is an earned income.
Reply:when i look at  pictures like these  they make me think i was born to late...SIN CITY METAL WORKSvisit my YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/devvon
Reply:Originally Posted by dj55bYes it would create jobs, but now everyone wants to make make 50$ an hour, have full benefits, be unionized, and as soon as you tell them to lift a heavier piece, they all go on strike and declare that things aren't safe in there.... they would still be more boys than men I think.
Reply:Well as far as safety goes back then not many thought much about loosing an eye or finger or other limb or appendage! Having worked in the steel industry for a little over 20 years I have seen changes in the attitude towards safety and I think it has been for the better, case in point!.... In my early years I was doing some erection on a loading gate at the airport, I was about 40' to 50' up on the roof with another guy carrying a 20' length of 4' channel walking on a beam that was at most 6'' wide. One slip and I would have fallen to my death, today I would be required to be tied off with a fall restraint harness!  25 years ago it wasn't mandatory to even wear eye protection while grinding, now eye protection is mandatory once I enter the shop area, grinding or no grinding!On the subject of wages, skilled tradesmen even back then made a decent wage union or non union!  If you take into account the rate of inflation and all the other stuff I'd be willing to bet that tradesmen today are about on par with what tradesmen of 50 or 60 years ago where making!Lincoln Ranger8 Hobart Handler 135Hobart Hefty CC/CVIronworkers Local #712
Reply:Originally Posted by dj55bYes it would create jobs, but now everyone wants to make make 50$ an hour, have full benefits, be unionized, and as soon as you tell them to lift a heavier piece, they all go on strike and declare that things aren't safe in there.... they would still be more boys than men I think.
Reply:Originally Posted by claymans13i take it you're not in a union?
Reply:You could make a good living still if it wasn't for lawyers and lazy kids who are affraid of workMillermatic 252millermatic 175miller 300 Thunderboltlincoln ranger 250smith torcheslots of bfh'sIf it dont fit get a bigger hammerOriginally Posted by farmshopYou could make a good living still if it wasn't for lawyers and lazy kids who are affraid of work
Reply:I know this thread is old .........BUT.......I have worked in the unions not in fabrication but in skilled trades. I find safety to be a good goal or mind set if you will, but some of the regulations are suffocating to the workers. I find that most ppl will practice safe procedures of there own volition given the chance.  I now live in the south where there are few unions at all and the jobsites are run with over zealous superintendents who dont have a clue about safety. Case in point....(I do know they are the boss)....Driving a 80' boom lift and required to wear a hard hat and safety glasses......first off I dont drive with a hard hat in my vehicle, whats it going to do for me in an accident.....nothing.....safety glasses?....nothing....whats going to happen is going to happen no matter what protection you wear. Only thing its going to prevent is a seagull crapping on my head. And the heat a hard hat collects in the hot sun can cause you to get heat exhaustion or stroke.   Now a safety harness and a seat belt are something that is a reasonable standard. Drive a lift without one and you might find yourself thrown out of the basket the first bump you drive over. Or a seat belt  prevents you from being thrown out the windshield. But you can still suffer serious injurys utilizing both safety protocols.   Or how bout a short sleeved shirt because its more protection than say a wife beater or tank top, Please get real!!!  Its so bad here they have mandatory stretch and flex on job sites, if you dont show up they throw you off the job. Please I have spent 2 hrs prior to work loading up my truck ......driving to work....ect and for those that get up before work and do there own workout routine, who do they think they are Gods!!! when did it happen that the (man) gets to tell us we have to stretch or else!!!!!  These are some of the reasons ppl go postal.Or my most favorite one NO Radios on jobsites .....REALLY .......safety these days seems more about control then safety. Go to OSHA's web site there is no rule about radios being a safety hazard ...in fact the only rule is 79 decibels for ear-buds and if its a monotonous job or repetitive one they recommend one as there studys show there is less accidents listening to the radio. And worker happiness who cares just as long as we are safe. The first thing I think about when I get to work is I cant wait for this hell to be over. No room for workers to take pride in what they do...we are so concerned with safety. No wonder we have lost our ability to design and create, we cant even think for ourselves.  Studys show that you cant pay for genius.....tell a engineer he will get a bonus if he can get this design problem resolved by a certain deadline and he will fail every-time. Ask and engineer to fix this engineering problem for the benefit of the company or for a good cause and remove all rules and regulations and he will succeed everytime. And everyone is happy in the end.Dont get me wrong safety is GOOD in moderation.Thats just my venting for the day.
Reply:I understand you're venting.In reality these things are no longer about "safety" it's all about liability. Make an "exception" to the "rule" and it's your fault something happens. Exempt eye protection from some one in a vehicle on the job site and they get glass in their eyes because something busts the windshield, and you'll have to explain in court WHY it was ok for someone to loose their eyesight because they didn't need safety glasses. It won't matter if it was a bird, a falling meteor or a thrown rock. It must be "your" fault, because you let them work in an "unsafe" manner.  The radio is the same thing. Some one gets hurt and it was because they were "distracted" by the radio. Not because they did the same repetitive job 1000 times and just got lazy or careless. It can't possibly be the fault of the person working... No one "deliberately"  does things to hurt themselves... ( Yes that's sarcasm you hear)I know a lot of it is BS, but it's all about CYA..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:As far as safety glasses in a vehicle. I've been driving trucks for over 18 years. I once had an owner/operator working for me driving down Interstate 55 in chitcago and another truck in front of him threw a 3" rock. It broke his window, and the glass actually flew and cut up his face pretty good. I'm glad he ALWAYS wore sunglasses. Now I try to always wear them, cause ya never know when it will happen."Where's Stick man????????" - 7A749"SHHHHHH!! I sent him over to snag that MIC-4 while tbone wasn't looking!" - duaneb55"I have bought a few of Tbone's things unlike Stick-Man who helps himself" - TozziWelding"Stick-man"
Reply:The safety regs are suffocating and they've always been about liability. The company only "cares" about its employees to the extent that they can be sued and/or fined. I'm in management in a big corporation and we have to deal with so much safety stuff it's like some kind of Sat Night Live skit or Dilbert cartoon. It's just silly the extent that we take things to, and it's all because the vulnerability of being sued and fined. We actually told our maintenance people they couldn't carry pocket knives. These guys have tool boxes the size of Volkswagens and they work on huge pieces of machinery with tools that seemed designed to inflict any number of various deadly wounds, but we took their pocket knives away for their own safety! I sit at a desk and I'm not even supposed to have my knife. (It's a little spring assist Kershaw - real deadly stuff.)Lincoln Squarewave 175Ex-aircraft sheet metal guy
Reply:Somewhere back in this thread someone was talking about living wages and such. I'll skip the economics lecture, but the long and short of it is - in my opinion - that we took the craft out of products. We used to be a nation of craftsmen and merchants. Now we have operators and clerks. We used to be somewhat engaged in the products we use, now they're disposable. The whole "scientific" approach to manufacturing was to, in a sense, take the skill out of a given job and concentrate that knowledge in management. Then management would set up their factories with their assembly lines and such and replace the skilled craftsmen with an unskilled operator. (And then automation came along.) Not that there isn't a skilled workforce out there still, but that work force is considerably smaller than it used to be. Now everyone wants to know if you're skilled in Microsoft this or that, and "how are your people skills." How are my people skills?! I'm an old jarhead, how do you think my people skills are?! (I've been told recently that I might have to go to some touchy-feely seminar on being a better communicator. That'll be the day I put my notice in.)Lincoln Squarewave 175Ex-aircraft sheet metal guy
Reply:I sent that link to our safety manager saying how did they survive back then without all of that safety gear?  I think they had more "common sense" back then than we do today.---No good deed goes unpunished---
Reply:Originally Posted by Shopclass How are my people skills?! I'm an old jarhead, how do you think my people skills are?! (I've been told recently that I might have to go to some touchy-feely seminar on being a better communicator. That'll be the day I put my notice in.)
Reply:You never once called someone a "maggot". . . .
Reply:thats pure craftsmanship ...... somthing thats missing in alot of shops thease days