Handicap ramp railing

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All 1-1/4" sch 40 pipe, few pics did this about a 3 weeks ago. Attached Images
Reply:looks great.. I used to do alot of handicapped railings. Really enjoyed making them.
Reply:Do you normally use 1 1/4 pipe?  California rules are different now than the other states, but it allows up to 2"OD rails, so I have switched to 1 1/2" sch 40 for extra strength on commercial projects.
Reply:Looks good. What rod did you use for that job? Did you use fittings to make the 90 degree turns?Mastering others is strength, mastering yourself is true power.
Reply:Looks like a nice job to do. I miss doing jobs like that at my old job.
Reply:You can use up to 2"od out here also.Job spec,d 1-1/4".Yes i used fitting for the 90,s  and  i used 6011- 3/32 on this job.
Reply:I do not know and why I am asking,Not trying to cause a problem here but is there a code requirement on the base or at the ramp/walk  to keep some one from slipping off the walk or a wheel chair wheel from going off the ramp under the rail,
Reply:Originally Posted by FarmerboyI do not know and why I am asking,Not trying to cause a problem here but is there a code requirement on the base or at the ramp/walk  to keep some one from slipping off the walk or a wheel chair wheel from going off the ramp under the rail,
Reply:Gub'mint rules-n-regs don't HAVE to make sense.  And they often don't.But a handicap/ADA ramp does need toeboards or a 'curb'.  2 inch high minimum, unless the 'outboard' edge of the ramp/landing is ~12 inches outboard of the handrail (which is acting like the 'guard' or there are walls/etc to prevent/minimize someone from slipping past the edge of the ramp (especially blind or visually impaired folks using a cane technique where the cane would 'sweep' right under the handrail and then the person would bump into the rail and/or their foot would go right off the edge of the ramp).ADA guidelineshttp://www.access-board.gov/adaag/html/adaag.htmADA ramps (with handrail and curb/toeboard requirements) in Section 4.8 (Ramps), specifically 4.8.5 (Handrails) and 4.8.7 (Edge Protection).  See also Figure 17http://www.access-board.gov/adaag/ht...res/fig17.htmlTop gripping surface of handrail is to be 34-38 inches above the ramp surface.  With caveat that if used 'primarily' by children (or as a second/secondary parallel rail as you have done), then the 'lower' rail is to be 20-28 inches above the ramp surface (28 inch max, per A4.8.5, with a recommended minimum spacing between the upper and lower rails of 9 inches to help prevent entrapment).  Cross-referencing handrail size/diameter to the more child-specific "Playground" section in Section 15 (not enforceable, but recommended) in Section 15.6.4.5.1 (Handrail Gripping Surface) is 'recommended' as 0.95 inch minimum width/diameter to 1.55 inch max width/diameter (or 'equivalent' gripping surface).  The best laid schemes ... Gang oft agley ...
Reply:Just to throw further fuel on the ADA fires of confusion, you also have to take into account all applicable local zoning laws.Public access or private residence?  The public access regs are pretty clear cut, although confusing and contradictory at times.  Private residence can be governed by local ordinances to "anything goes" depending on the location.  I happen to live "in the county" and no zoning exists out here on the "goat pasture" so I could have just tossed a couple of 2x4's out there and called that good.  The ramp I built for my mother was a basic design and the urgency of the situation combined with the weather conditions forced me to build the basic ramp first with provisions for adding the hand rails when possible.  The ramp worked well for the wheel chair, but the day I had to call the ambulance pointed out a couple of flaws such as the different tread with of the gurney.  The crew said the ramp was better than most but suggested I add the rails as soon as possible.  Unfortunately, I am taking the ramp out next week as Mom passed away 2 weeks ago.RogerOld, Tired, and GRUMPYSalesman will call, Batteries not included, Assembly is required, and FREE ADVICE IS WORTH EXACTLY WHAT YOU PAY FOR IT!Dial Arc 250HFThunderbolt 225 AC/DCAssorted A/O torches
Reply:Looking at the style of the house it will likely be followed up with balusters and such by the carpenter. It a lot faster to install all the welded rail without working around the wood work. Like the OP poster said he was just there to install the continuous railing. I bet the ramp is now done, inspected, and painted to match the house.
Reply:Originally Posted by fdcmiamido yourself a favor, don't resurrect this thing again.  what credibility you may have had because you drive a shiny truck is definitely gone now.  i figured there were no finish photos because you got tagged.did you ever think that handicap includes someone on crutches?  da
Reply:Originally Posted by admsweldingJealous the "trucks" get it right.Fdc keep hate,n pal.If anyone else beside this hater can see a problem with what i did please speak.I did not have time to take pics of the finish but seeing i have had no call from this guy i,m sure the inspector was fine with my work.
Reply:Originally Posted by ZTFabDon't worry about fdc...he's apparently pissed off at the world.He just an old, jealous curmudgeon who's stuck in Miami with nothing better to do than accounting as a hobby. Good looking work on that job...and even better looking trucks.
Reply:billy, would you please stop sending me pm's.  thought i would share them with the board.  ps, i have compiled an email comprised of the three threads that you put up. it includes the one on the miller board also.guess i'll send these guys a copy.http://www.wickedlocal.com/stoneham/...n-a-fresh-looki am sending a copy of your posts to me to the following places.http://www.stonehamschools.org/one headed over to cheryl at building serviceshttp://www.ci.stoneham.ma.us/Pages/S...Building/indexas soon as i locate the funeral home, tonight or tomorrow.  i've narrowed it down to two but i'll  call.  i'll be sending one off to;http://www.ci.lynn.ma.us/citydepartm...services.shtmlalso to ADA and OSHA compliance offices  for middlesex countyhttp://www.wickedlocal.com/stoneham/...#axzz22oJHcql5i'll send copy off to matt reid at the newspaper. the guy the wrote the piece on the volunteers.   i'll send one to the desk at the paper also.08-01-2012, 05:28 PM   admswelding  WeldingWeb Tradesman   Join Date: Aug 2006Location: MASS.Posts: 226   u got issues bud. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------G f yourself 08-02-2012, 08:40 PM   admswelding  WeldingWeb Tradesman   Join Date: Aug 2006Location: MASS.Posts: 226   Re: u got issues bud. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Quote:Originally Posted by fdcmiami Quote:Originally Posted by admswelding G f yourself!!!! now you do. lol Got an awful lot too say about someone you know little about.Lets see your truck b!#tch if you even own one.Got lot s@#t to say about me and mine.So post some pics and show me up.  Yesterday, 08:25 PM   admswelding  WeldingWeb Tradesman   Join Date: Aug 2006Location: MASS.Posts: 226   no truck/rig pics --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Shut you up pretty fast bit#ch!!!You got nothin just as i figured.Just keep being jealous of mine its guys like you that have keep me runnin strong for 17yrs now.  heck, maybe i'll send one off to the stoneham PD;   they'll have to follow up.have a nice day bill.
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Reply:Originally Posted by fdcmiamibilly, would you please stop sending me pm's.  thought i would share them with the board.  ps, i have compiled an email comprised of the three threads that you put up. it includes the one on the miller board also.guess i'll send these guys a copy.http://www.wickedlocal.com/stoneham/...n-a-fresh-looki am sending a copy of your posts to me to the following places.http://www.stonehamschools.org/one headed over to cheryl at building serviceshttp://www.ci.stoneham.ma.us/Pages/S...Building/indexas soon as i locate the funeral home, tonight or tomorrow.  i've narrowed it down to two but i'll  call.  i'll be sending one off to;http://www.ci.lynn.ma.us/citydepartm...services.shtmlalso to ADA and OSHA compliance offices  for middlesex countyhttp://www.wickedlocal.com/stoneham/...#axzz22oJHcql5i'll send copy off to matt reid at the newspaper. the guy the wrote the piece on the volunteers.   i'll send one to the desk at the paper also.08-01-2012, 05:28 PM   admswelding  WeldingWeb Tradesman   Join Date: Aug 2006Location: MASS.Posts: 226   u got issues bud. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------G f yourself 08-02-2012, 08:40 PM   admswelding  WeldingWeb Tradesman   Join Date: Aug 2006Location: MASS.Posts: 226   Re: u got issues bud. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Quote:Originally Posted by fdcmiami Quote:Originally Posted by admswelding G f yourself!!!! now you do. lol Got an awful lot too say about someone you know little about.Lets see your truck b!#tch if you even own one.Got lot s@#t to say about me and mine.So post some pics and show me up.  Yesterday, 08:25 PM   admswelding  WeldingWeb Tradesman   Join Date: Aug 2006Location: MASS.Posts: 226   no truck/rig pics --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Shut you up pretty fast bit#ch!!!You got nothin just as i figured.Just keep being jealous of mine its guys like you that have keep me runnin strong for 17yrs now.  heck, maybe i'll send one off to the stoneham PD;   they'll have to follow up.have a nice day bill.
Reply:You are supposed to have a rail at 5" above walking surface as well.  Latest revision to life safety.  Most inspectors refer to it as "the cane tap rail".  If a blind person is swinging their cane, this gives them a barrier to feel at a lower height to keep them on the right track.Lots of toys.
Reply:Originally Posted by brandon75173You are supposed to have a rail at 5" above walking surface as well.  Latest revision to life safety.  Most inspectors refer to it as "the cane tap rail".  If a blind person is swinging their cane, this gives them a barrier to feel at a lower height to keep them on the right track.
Reply:Actually fdcmiami is  a clown who tries to sound knowlegable and often just ends up looking the fool.Mind you admswelding hasnt done himself any favours fighting with the child.Over here a disabled Ramp railing is quite specific and involved including kick rails, radiused turn downs tactile indicators .... the list goes on and on .Here is part of our code.BTW I wouldnt have put 4 wall brackets in that double internal corner , Im sure two would have been fine. Attached ImagesPage 11 of 65 ASA 1428.1-2001.pdf (67.2 KB, 48 views)A good guess is better than a bad measurement
Reply:"Don,t forget to add post nine of this thread were you started this with the personal attack of my creditabilty.Btw i know everyone in this area good luck. "  bill adamsdon't worry about that bill,  thanks for this recent addition.   you will find, since you obviously have not found out yet, that when things get tough even though you know 'everyone', they will generally choose not to know you.you would not do well in a deposition.i'll use this in my cover letter for mr olsen.   he will probably have to look up the word;  'creditiability', .
Reply:I finally figured it out....the fd stands for Fuggin Douchebag.....http://all-a-cart.comWelding Cart Kits and accessories
Reply:adams welding: notice, it looks like you do quality work, and no question your trucks show you pride and professionalism. congrats on the 17 years of business. keep in mind one of the toughest challenges you have in business is remaining calm and ignoring the wannabees and winers that criticize you from the comfort of their armchair. keep up the good work. if you have the stones for it keep posting, you have to separate the pretenders from the contenders! regards, tom. (in business since 1970 and doing fine)
Reply:ZTFab  -  Exhibit a little respect, it's F. Douchebag Chartered  -  OpusThe door to the penalty box has been opened! Let's keep this to RAILING!If you don't want to stand behind our Troops, feel free to stand in front of them.
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Reply:^ I thought your avatar name was 'Clansman' when I first looked.I got scare for a second despite being on a computer in Australia.
Reply:Originally Posted by fdcmiami"Don,t forget to add post nine of this thread were you started this with the personal attack of my creditabilty.Btw i know everyone in this area good luck. "  bill adamsdon't worry about that bill,  thanks for this recent addition.   you will find, since you obviously have not found out yet, that when things get tough even though you know 'everyone', they will generally choose not to know you.you would not do well in a deposition.i'll use this in my cover letter for mr olsen.   he will probably have to look up the word;  'creditiability', .
Reply:Boys, boys, boys.  Be nice, don't fight, have a piece of fruit.
Reply:what's my problem?  don't have one.  the reason for that is that i don't do work like this.http://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php...light=railingsand then post pics of and expect people to drool over the exquisite craftsmanship and attention to detail.   you'll notice that the only ones who came to this guy's defense are thenewbies and garage welder's that have never put in a piece of rail  or worked with an inspector.   personally, i have done schools, high rises, million plus homes, several bridges.   worked with OSHA inspectors, DOT inspectors, safety engineers etc for cargill, kimberly clark, international paper, walmart, proctor and gamble etc.   so try to work around the ADD zap and do a little background and you will know what my fugin problem is.  fool.   maybe it will be one of your kids  walking down this code nightmare someday.   if they tripped and reached out to grab a rail that should have been there but wasn't and then bounced all the way to the bottom would you be so quick to defend the contractor then?   no, you would have a lawyer and would be learning new phrases suchas 'negligence per se'..banned from the sight?   why don't you and steve take this site and stick it up your axx.Last edited by fdcmiami; 08-10-2012 at 07:16 AM.
Reply:Originally Posted by fdcmiamibanned from the sight?   why don't you and steve take this site and stick it up your axx.
Reply:Whilst I don't agree with fdcmiami 's method (or motive).To Australian codes at least , in both threads there are complacency issues.Last edited by Brett; 08-10-2012 at 02:54 PM.A good guess is better than a bad measurement
Reply:maybe i missed something here in the melee, but didn't admswelding state that he was just hired to put the top and mid rail in place? and that all other code issues aren't really his problem? If the inspector signed off on the top and mid rail I don't see what the issue is here.ESAB MigMaster 275Miller Econotwin HFMiller Syncrowave 250
Reply:Originally Posted by claymans13maybe i missed something here in the melee, but didn't admswelding state that he was just hired to put the top and mid rail in place? And that all other code issues aren't really his problem? If the inspector signed off on the top and mid rail i don't see what the issue is here.
Reply:In post 31 of Fdc the railing "he is stating" is set at 38"ht. and is there so someone can grab it.I drive by this place multiple times a yr,and was there last week and the railing is still there for someone,s kids to grab should they stumble.It  hasn,t dissappeared.Now the issue of my professionalism seems to be a topic also.Most of you have seen my work and my rigs,my shop.I think i have done quite all right in the manner i have been operating my co.Have never been sued,thrown off a job,or told i was a idiot by any other tradesmen i have dealt with in the industry of construction/welding.I will admit my spelling is not always correct but  i can weld/fabricate and repair with the best of them.I would like to thank the moderators for tryin to keep this thread in order.I don,t come on this board with the intent to insult others,look better then anyone else.I have learned alot from very talented "men" on this site and would help anyone here i could, if i had the knowledge to do so.  Respectfully, Bill Adams                                                                                          ADAMS WELDING CO.Last edited by admswelding; 08-10-2012 at 07:59 PM.
Reply:Originally Posted by claymans13maybe i missed something here in the melee, but didn't admswelding state that he was just hired to put the top and mid rail in place? and that all other code issues aren't really his problem? If the inspector signed off on the top and mid rail I don't see what the issue is here.
Reply:Originally Posted by admsweldingI did the job by the drawings i was given by the GC from an engineer.
Reply:Originally Posted by ZTFabI finally figured it out....the fd stands for Fuggin Douchebag.....
Reply:Ok double postDisclaimer; "I am just an a$$hole welder, don't take it personally ."
Reply:For whatever it is worth, coming from another guy who does these type of thing for my own company for a living, I think you do good work. Everything I have seen you post has been of the highest quality.
Reply:Originally Posted by walkerFor whatever it is worth, coming from another guy who does these type of thing for my own company for a living, I think you do good work. Everything I have seen you post has been of the highest quality.