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I'm in western Ky and the factories pay lower wages now (2014) for production mig welders than they did in 2000. One trailer manufacturer now pays 12.00/hr or there about, and an auto suspension/chassis factory which makes parts for BMW, GM, Ford and others pays 13.00 and change. Both of these factories paid about 2-3 dollars more per hour back in 2000. ( I know because I was involved in training for them). They now have new owners or so they say with different names.They also like to use temporary agencies but don't hire the temps full time on any large scale . What are we to make of this economy and policies that foster and encourage these employment practices?
Reply:Time to upskill, as i see it, its an indication that the supply of weldors to fill these positions has increased, hence the pay drops, upskill to a field with less compitition.Sent from my LG-P716 using Tapatalk
Reply:I believe you'll find that the "don't hire the temps full time" has more to do with an ObamaCare loophole.IIRC, the prediction that companies would scale back on full-time and use more part-time to avoid certain OC requirements was made before it went into effect.However, chapter and verse I cannot quote.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:It's seems that there could be some coorelation between the enactment of NAFTA in 1993 and the tapering demand for skilled trade workers since then. It seems that since this was enacted, work was weaseled away from craft folk here in the US, only to be given to craft folk in Asia, Mexico, and many other countries.. Why you may ask? Lower Pay, Longer Hours, No EPA worries, No Insurance, No Pension, No Commitment to said worker.Meanwhile, back home in the US, we now have a desperate job force with a high unemployment rate (Above the reported rate, as the official numbers are skewed heavily). What work is left here for us is becoming more and more temporary/contract based in nature, has lower pay, less hours, less/no insurance coverage, no long term commitment in general on the companies behalf. This has been a slow, but eventual equalization of the worlds work force.To top it off, with the introduction of NEW trade agreement that is being proposed NOW called the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), tapering of heavy industry and manufacturing in the US does not have an end in sight. I hate to say it folks.. for those who do not already know, the situation don't look good for a LOT of people.-Niche
Reply:Yeah Steve I know you're right there. The company I used to work for had a "full-time" employee limit for our facility. Not a maximum figure on what they would pay collectively for full-timers but a total head count. One of the department managers got ticked when they gave full-time status to my Order Administrator because then he couldn't get the Fire Protection Engineer he wanted (and needed too BTW). Why they look at it from a total head count instead of what could make them the most in return is beyond me. So I'll say OC just made things worse.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Originally Posted by coxey2I'm in western Ky and the factories pay lower wages now (2014) for production mig welders than they did in 2000. One trailer manufacturer now pays 12.00/hr or there about, and an auto suspension/chassis factory which makes parts for BMW, GM, Ford and others pays 13.00 and change. Both of these factories paid about 2-3 dollars more per hour back in 2000. ( I know because I was involved in training for them). They now have new owners or so they say with different names.They also like to use temporary agencies but don't hire the temps full time on any large scale . What are we to make of this economy and policies that foster and encourage these employment practices?
Reply:You guys are depressing the crap out of me!!!!!Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749We know you're totally running a sweat shop Terry.Your stress, your money, your sweat
Reply:The company I work for pays our one remaining full time production welder (mostly MIG, with a tiny bit of TIG spattered in) $22/hr (we pay his part time helper $17/hr). Before the company began to automate, we had 4 full time welders making between $18 and $22. IMO, they should be paying them more, especially when you consider that the button pushers on our CNC mills get around the same, and that doesn't take near as much skill.We are in California though, so cost of living is a bit higher than other area's.
Reply:Originally Posted by DukeWe are in California though, so cost of living is a bit higher than other area's.
Reply:Thanks guys, looks like we all aren't buying the BS about how NAFTA has created better living conditions for the workers of this once fine country. Still to come is the Trans Pacific Partnership which will water us down further; and there is the open southwester border issue. Let's remember that this banker/corporation controlled economy/government has little to offer skilled trades. I fear as an instructor that I will be sliding into the minimum wage hole before long.
Reply:Originally Posted by ttoksTime to upskill, as i see it, its an indication that the supply of weldors to fill these positions has increased, hence the pay drops, upskill to a field with less compitition.Sent from my LG-P716 using Tapatalk
Reply:Originally Posted by 'StangI agree! In my area, mig and stick welders are everywhere. The job market is saturated. I know of stick welders that are certified on structural steel, that are welding dumpsters for the local refuse companies. In this area tig is what is in demand. If you are competent in tig-you have a job. If you can tig aluminum, you have it made.The company I work for is 95% aluminum welding. Mig and tig. The starting pay, once you pass the welding test, is higher than the top pay of most of the other companies in this area. And, being Union, you are guaranteed a pay raise every 60 days, until you max out.If you want a good job, you need to specialize. Perfect skills that are in demand! If you can tig, you can weld any metal that is weldable. T
Reply:Also i apologize for the huge block of writing, im writing on my phone, and havnt yet figured how how to space it apart.Sent from my LG-P716 using Tapatalk
Reply:Lived in Martinez, CA for a VERY short time. Rent was outrageous, and everything else was about the same. Don't see how anybody survives out there on the wages they pay.Only saving grace was going down to this bar near the marina, and watching the car carriers come up the Sacramento River, I think they actually called it the Delta. Anyways, the sound was cool, could hear it clear across the water. Lotta power in those things.Same over in Oakland, liked to hear the tugs go by, made the air vibrate with those big engines.Saw FDR's yaht in Oakland, took the boat tour around the Port facility. Was pretty cool.Made the mistake of stopping at a bar in Oakland on the way back to Martinez. Didn't know the neighborhood, and inadvertently walked into a gangsta bar. Scared the BeJesus outta me."Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Originally Posted by farmersammMade the mistake of stopping at a bar in Oakland on the way back to Martinez. Didn't know the neighborhood, and inadvertently walked into a gangsta bar. Scared the BeJesus outta me.
Reply:Originally Posted by NicheFabIt's seems that there could be some coorelation between the enactment of NAFTA in 1993 and the tapering demand for skilled trade workers since then. It seems that since this was enacted, work was weaseled away from craft folk here in the US, only to be given to craft folk in Asia, Mexico, and many other countries.. Why you may ask? Lower Pay, Longer Hours, No EPA worries, No Insurance, No Pension, No Commitment to said worker.Meanwhile, back home in the US, we now have a desperate job force with a high unemployment rate (Above the reported rate, as the official numbers are skewed heavily). What work is left here for us is becoming more and more temporary/contract based in nature, has lower pay, less hours, less/no insurance coverage, no long term commitment in general on the companies behalf. This has been a slow, but eventual equalization of the worlds work force.To top it off, with the introduction of NEW trade agreement that is being proposed NOW called the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), tapering of heavy industry and manufacturing in the US does not have an end in sight. I hate to say it folks.. for those who do not already know, the situation don't look good for a LOT of people.-Niche |
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