Push VS Pull MIG Welding (Video)

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Hey y'all!!So, as you know, whether to push-or-pull the puddle when mig welding is an age old debate that everyone seems to have an opinion, and their own theory about...And I decided it might be cool to slice up some steel and arrange a good ole' fashioned smackdown to put these two tried and true methods to the test, and let me tell you, the results were NOT what I was expecting:[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEF61gyN5Gw[/ame]People will tell you, that pulling the puddle gives better penetration, and pushing it creates a wider, flatter bead profile... Each method has its own advantages and disadvantages, but truth be told IMHO its personal preference 99% of the time...I found, in my test, that pushing the puddle will give you a slightly stronger weld... And my personal theory here is this happens because the flatter bead puts the metal where it counts, instead of on top of itself creating a "taller" weld...And besides, penetration isnt everything... I'd heard that the difference isnt that great on thicker material especially, so I guess I wasn't *that* surprised...As you know, a 6010 fillet weld, even with its deeper penetration won't take nearly as much abuse as an identical 7018 weld, even tho 7018 gives much less penetration...Anyway, it was a really fun test, and being that I couldnt leave well enough alone, I HAD to find out for myself  And this was my redneck test, and these were my results...I hope you all enjoy the video, and have an awesome week, everyone [Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:Nice video Lanse just watched it over lunch breakMiller Diversion 180Hobart Handler 140 (Soon to be replaced with Miller 211?)Miller Spectrum 625 Extreme
Reply:Nice video.So have you done any 3F downward welding yet? I'm having hell getting proper fusion on vertical laps downhill with mig!
Reply:Thanks Jon, glad you liked it James, no... We haven't done that in school yet. My only advice is crank it up and haul a$$[Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:Nice video! I need to get a hammer and pound something.............             WSMiller Thunderboldt AC DC Miller 211 MIGSmith O/A torches Torches and GaugesRyobi chop saw
Reply:Go for it, WS!! Thanks for watching [Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:My favorite part was the mouse running up the wall @ 2:45
Reply:Cool vid bud! I see you had a guest over your right shoulder a little after 2min  I had one yesterday in my basement at my apartment, I had a plumber friend looking into a waste main problem and about a 4lb black water rat jumped out when we lifted the cover. He vanished into my junk pile and is still down there  I knew I saw a big shadow run behind some stuff a long time ago so he's been there a while. his nest is under the sewer main cover. Huge bro! Cheers on the vid, good job I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:Thanks lanse , love your style. The pros may nit pick but I like your enthusiasm!Miller diversion 165Miller mig 211Hypertherm pm 30Milwaukee 6230 14 inch chop sawMd 45 mag drill (RIP; fell on its head)New MD 45! Thanks to the esposa!Finally got an O/A setup
Reply:Haha yeah, on YouTube I think that mouse was more talked about in the comments than the actual results!Thanks guys [Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:Originally Posted by LanseThanks Jon, glad you liked it James, no... We haven't done that in school yet. My only advice is crank it up and haul a$$
Reply:Originally Posted by Slumpbuster36My favorite part was the mouse running up the wall @ 2:45
Reply:Haha yeah, we have a dozen or so barn cats that are pretty much self sufficient... Between what they find in our huge barns, and the 160 acres of field around us.+1 on getting good at uphill, I only run downhill mig filling large gaps on super no critical joints. Good luck! [Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:Love the video Lanse, as always. May Spray vs. SC strength or....7018 vs proper Mig weld?TA Arcmaster 300CM3XMT 304S22P12 suitcase feederX-Treme 12VSOptima pulserTA161SMaxstar 150STLHypertherm PM45OP setupStihl 020AVP, 039, 066 Magnum
Reply:Originally Posted by LanseHaha yeah, on YouTube I think that mouse was more talked about in the comments than the actual results!Thanks guys
Reply:Drf, I will do a three way throw down once I feel like my tig and spray arc welds are good enough to represent that process Welder- Haha niiiiiiiiice, if I brought in a snake I think my mom would kill ME and let the snake go Thanks for watching...[Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:Hey Lanse, run the test again but this time beat on the push samples first so you won't be so tuckered out by the time you get to them and see if the results are any different. Either that or alternate from push to pull to push to pull.  Not saying there will be any difference 'cause I don't know that there will be but I have to believe arm fatigue has to have played at least a partial roll in your results.Also, averaging only two samples can be misleading IMO.  I think the vast difference in the two pull samples (31-vs.-54) failure results support that theory.  A third sample on either end of the two would make a significant difference - potentially an 8+/- point spread instead of only 3.5 points.  No doubt a more "scientific" method than wackin' 'em  to test for actual strength could be employed as burnt09 already pointed out but a nice general comparison just the same in being able to see the failure points. MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!