USA-Canada TSC Gas Prices

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Tractor Supply Company (TSC) has stores in the USA and Canada.  TSC sells Praxair gas cylinders and gases on both sides of the border - with a difference!Here's the current July 23, 2010 prices for gas cylinders and gas fills in the USA and Canada.Gas Capacity is in cubic feet (cf) and the prices are in dollars.Note:  On july 23 2010, the Canadian dollar was worth $0.96 US.  So with only a 4% diffference, consider all the prices to be in US dollars.  TSC has 10% off sales all the time in Canada, so the prices shown are ball-park in any case.So what's this all mean?SIZE: The number of size cylinders available in the US is about 2X what is available in Can.The maximum size to own/exchange cylinder in the US is:Acetylene – 125 cf in the US versus 85 cf in Can.  E.g. 1.5X as bigOxygen – 252 cf in the US versus 83 cf in Can.  E.g. 3X as bigC25 – 125 cf in the US versus 85 cf in Can.  E.g. 1.5X as bigArgon – 80 cf in the US versus 58 cf in Can.  E.g. 1.4 X as bigPRICE:Acetylene – Canuks pay $70 for 60 cf, US folks pay $44 for 75 cf.  Canuks pay 2X the US price.Oxygen – For 80 cf, Canuks pay $43, US folks pay $23.  Canuks pay 2X the US price.C25 – For 80 cf, Canuks pay $62, US folks pay $40.  Canuks pay 1.5X the US price.There is more selection in the USA and things are bigger and cheaper!  Yep, we Canadians are getting screwed!Rick V 1 Airco Heliwelder 3A/DDR3 CTC 70/90 amp Stick/Tig Inverters in Parallel1 Lincoln MIG PAK 151 Oxy-Acet
Reply:it may a supply and demand type thing, it aint right, but neither is it right for gas to be 2.90 here in town, and 2.68 not 10 miles away. just wish i would have none that at 4am when i left this morning....lol..... but it seems like you guys always get shafted. food, gas, cigs, beer, everything is more money over there..... what is your minimum wage in canada??? just curious, here its 7.15 i think. what is does the average welder make there? here its 8 to 14 for fab shops, and 10 to 25 for non union pipe and constrution welders.union goes from 25 to 34. sorry to jack your thread, just curious. thanks, Hammer
Reply:It is hard to make sense of the differences in price, maybe regulations dictate the difference in sizes I dunno.I'd take that same list to a Liquid Air LWS and see if they want to play ball. A regional LWS offering Liquid Air has kept sort of a price war going for more than 20 years in my geographic area.Prices have been going up but nowhere near what I've seen from some folks posting.Matt
Reply:Hi Hammer... "gas to be 2.90 here in town, and 2.68 not 10 miles away".Ha!  Price here is $1.02 per litre... that converts to $4.02 a US gallon in your $.Come on, how'd you like to pay that?  Hmmm $4.02 / $2.68 = yep 1.5X as Much. Originally Posted by HammerwelderWhat is your minimum wage in canada??? just curious, here its 7.15 i think. what is does the average welder make there? here its 8 to 14 for fab shops, and 10 to 25 for non union pipe and constrution welders.union goes from 25 to 34
Reply:I expect travel across the border is probably pretty brisk at times then as $25 in fuel to save hundreds in product = no brainer...And "what in the wide, wide world of sports" is up with the 9% "none" health care benefit???Matt
Reply:Originally Posted by Matt_MaguireI expect travel across the border is probably pretty brisk at times then as $25 in fuel to save hundreds in product = no brainer... And "what in the wide, wide world of sports" is up with the 9% "none" health care benefit???Matt
Reply:What does the Canadian government give back to it's citizens in services and social programs?   Socialized health care is the big one we all know of.  Can you talk about other "benefits" of Canadian citizenship?- MondoMember, AWSLincoln ProMIG 140Lincoln AC TombstoneCraftsman Lathe 12 x 24 c1935Atlas MFC Horizontal MillCraftsman Commercial Lathe 12 x 36 c1970- - - I'll just keep on keepin' on.
Reply:Originally Posted by MondoWhat does the Canadian government give back to it's citizens in services and social programs?   Socialized health care is the big one we all know of.  Can you talk about other "benefits" of Canadian citizenship?- Mondo
Reply:Prices for product and selection are far different here in Canada ( specifically Ontario ) than the USA. As stated we pay far more for the same product as our neighbours in the USA. Purchase most any product and you  pay 13% HST ( Hated Sales Tax ) and on many items an ECO FEE  ( we pay HST on the  ECO FEE as well . They Tax a Tax ). ( we pay eco fees on tires electronics, paint shampoo, cement etc to make sure it is disposed of responsibly supposedly  ) So you can add  $ 13 plus eco fee to every  $100 purchase. The Hst came to Ontario July1  2010 , gasoline, heating oil, diesel propane all went up about 8-10 % overnight.  Gasoline can jump close to 10 cents per litre over nite. ( 946 ml = 1US qt)( 946 ml X 4 US qts = 3.784 Litres or 1 US gal  )  A 38 cent / gallon increase over night   with the stronger Can $ I am doing far more shopping in the USA for groceries ( about 1/2 price of here ) Hard goods 1/2 price of here or less. Better selection and for the most part better service from the retailers. Best of all I can buy Canadian beer Molson Canadian in cans for $15.99, the cost at our Brewers Retail (A monopoly on the sale of beer in Ontario) is $40.00 !
Reply:Originally Posted by Mondo Can you talk about other "benefits" of Canadian citizenship?- Mondo
Reply:I"m resurrecting this - any Canadians filled in the US? I'll give the border a call tomorrow and I'll check around Buffalo, NY area to see what's available.Hey Rick, if it works looks like the closest for you is Vermont.
Reply:My girlfriend and I spent a night in Niagra falls and went across the border the next day , so I went down to TSC and picked up a Hobart Stickmate ac/dc 235 :-D  saved a couple hundred bucks buying in the U.S.
Reply:[QUOTE=Rick V;409859]Tractor Supply Company (TSC) has stores in the USA and Canada.  TSC sells Praxair gas cylinders and gases on both sides of the border - with a difference!Here's the current July 23, 2010 prices for gas cylinders and gas fills in the USA and Canada.Gas Capacity is in cubic feet (cf) and the prices are in dollars.Note:  On july 23 2010, the Canadian dollar was worth $0.96 US.  So with only a 4% diffference, consider all the prices to be in US dollars.  TSC has 10% off sales all the time in Canada, so the prices shown are ball-park in any caseSo what's this all mean?SIZE: The number of size cylinders available in the US is about 2X what is available in Can.The maximum size to own/exchange cylinder in the US is:Acetylene – 125 cf in the US versus 85 cf in Can.  E.g. 1.5X as bigOxygen – 252 cf in the US versus 83 cf in Can.  E.g. 3X as bigC25 – 125 cf in the US versus 85 cf in Can.  E.g. 1.5X as bigArgon – 80 cf in the US versus 58 cf in Can.  E.g. 1.4 X as bigPRICE:Acetylene – Canuks pay $70 for 60 cf, US folks pay $44 for 75 cf.  Canuks pay 2X the US price.Oxygen – For 80 cf, Canuks pay $43, US folks pay $23.  Canuks pay 2X the US price.C25 – For 80 cf, Canuks pay $62, US folks pay $40.  Canuks pay 1.5X the US price.There is more selection in the USA and things are bigger and cheaper!  Yep, we Canadians are getting screwed![/QUOTE  i wasn't aware that the selection of cylinder's available to us weren't elsewhere. i just got back from visiting canadian relatives in fla and heard quite often how much cheaper stuff is over here. especially liquor.i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla
Reply:vv111y resurrected this thread... back from July 2010 = 2/5 years ago.Has anything changed?I made a new chart based upon Tractor Supply Company (TSC) current (Jan 27 2013) prices in Dallas TX USA and Ottawa ON Canada.Canadians are still getting beat on the gas prices... but maybe not as bad as 2.5 years ago.  Gas cylinders prices are the same either side of the border.  USA folks still have more choice in sizes.  What's with acetylene - US prices are similar to 2.5 years ago while Canadian prices seemed to have 'ascended into heaven'.Rick V 1 Airco Heliwelder 3A/DDR3 CTC 70/90 amp Stick/Tig Inverters in Parallel1 Lincoln MIG PAK 151 Oxy-Acet
Reply:Thats the price we have to pay to live in the greatest country on earth.Miller thunderbolt 250Decastar 135ERecovering tool-o-holic ESAB OAI have been interested or involved in Electrical, Fire Alarm, Auto, Marine, Welding, Electronics ETC to name a just a few. So YES you can own too many tools.
Reply:Originally Posted by dumb as a stumpThats the price we have to pay to live in the greatest country on earth.
Reply:Oh yeah, you sure got a lot going for you, fiscal cliff and fights about whether or not you should be allowed to carry assault rifles, whose sole purpose is to kill people.  Yup, right nice nation you got there.... Originally Posted by docwelderi don't think listening to dis-satisfied canadian's is too much to pay for living in the greatest country on earth.
Reply:Originally Posted by dellwasOh yeah, you sure got a lot going for you, fiscal cliff and fights about whether or not you should be allowed to carry assault rifles, whose sole purpose is to kill people.  Yup, right nice nation you got there....
Reply:Originally Posted by Rkott4Holy chit!  Apparently we Canadians are perfect. Ill take this opportunity to say that there is no other nation in the world that I would rather share a border with!
Reply:Say, why bother sharing it, why not just trot yer azz down there and live there full time? Originally Posted by Rkott4Holy chit!  Apparently we Canadians are perfect. Ill take this opportunity to say that there is no other nation in the world that I would rather share a border with!
Reply:Sorry, clown, america can't manage itself, how da hell is going to manage another country?  Originally Posted by docweldercanada. god bless it. there is no other place i would rather have as our 51st state.
Reply:Yikes!  Hey, I'm just grumbling about the disparity between US/Canada gas prices; sure didn't mean to touch off a major political debate. Rick V 1 Airco Heliwelder 3A/DDR3 CTC 70/90 amp Stick/Tig Inverters in Parallel1 Lincoln MIG PAK 151 Oxy-Acet
Reply:Kaboom  Originally Posted by Rick VYikes!  Hey, I'm just grumbling about the disparity between US/Canada gas prices; sure didn't mean to touch off a major political debate.
Reply:Unfortunately, this is a common US problem, which I'm sure doesn't happen in Canada, which is liberals and conservatives arguing about rather the government is doing the right or wrong thing.    Therefore, if the price of gas is higher, the liberals are complaining it's because of corporate greed, and the conservatives complaining it's because of the negative business environment and high taxes.   When the real question is,  Hey, can I save a few bucks if I buy my welding gas at the TSC in Sault Ste Marie Ontario, or in Sault Ste Marie MI?     Tractor Supply locations:695 Great Northern RdSault Ste. Marie, ON P6B 5A1, Canada4646 Interstate 75 Business SpurSault Ste. Marie, MI 49783Of course, not taking into account, it's a toll bridge - wait a minute, isn't this the bridge that some greedy American is fighting to keep some Canadians from building a free bridge??????
Reply:Originally Posted by dellwasSorry, clown, america can't manage itself, how da hell is going to manage another country?Bitter?  Hardly.  Our dollar is worth more, unemployment is lower, we aren't facing a fiscal cliff, and we sure as hell don't have nut cases shooting up our schools...As for "managing the world", "Great minds think alike and fools seldom differ" Originally Posted by docwelderexcuse me sir but we've been managing the world for many years for better or worse. however i refuse to engage in name calling.  hey, i don't blame you for being bitter. it's hard to be a big country that thinks small.
Reply:Originally Posted by dellwasSay, why bother sharing it, why not just trot yer azz down there and live there full time?
Reply:Originally Posted by dellwasBitter?  Hardly.  Our dollar is worth more, unemployment is lower, we aren't facing a fiscal cliff, and we sure as hell don't have nut cases shooting up our schools...As for "managing the world", "Great minds think alike and fools seldom differ"
Reply:Originally Posted by dellwasBitter?  Hardly.  Our dollar is worth more, unemployment is lower, we aren't facing a fiscal cliff, and we sure as hell don't have nut cases shooting up our schools...As for "managing the world", "Great minds think alike and fools seldom differ"
Reply:Sad, for what stating the truth? Originally Posted by Crash5291Wow, Makes me sad to call you a fellow Canadian.Back to topic, last i seen prices were ~$25/250cf oxy, and ~$35-40/145cf Ace thats about 3/4 year ago on a business account with Linde i think (roughly 50 250cf oxy, 25 145cf ace, 4-6 250cf mig mix exchanges a year plus all the rod is bought from them 66lb cases about 8-12 a year)
Reply:Hey Rick, another stat for your list.I was into Linde today and filled a WS size Acetylene $91.63+11.91 tax for a $103.54 hole in my pocketat tsc i grabbed a 10lb box of hobart 6013 1/8"  $29.99+13%tax
Reply:For the Canucks.  KMS tools in Alberta and BC sell and refill cylinders.  They also have a big sale on welders and plasmas Feb 14-16th., one of which is Cutmaster 42 for $1299.Here's a link to the flyer, they also ship Canada wide.  They have a club feature where any tools are 30% off.http://www.kmstools.com/eflyer/Last edited by dellwas; 02-02-2013 at 08:34 AM.