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Jody just posted a video of him attempting mig like tig on his channel. I dont know if anyone posted it yet if so please remove this.
Reply:I was hoping to learn how they made the welds look like that. Oh well.Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:Originally Posted by GambleI was hoping to learn how they made the welds look like that. Oh well.
Reply:He makes a really good point at the end about differences between MIG machines. I have found that the settings variation for MIG across different brands or even different machines of the same brand is more significant with MIG than any other process.. I would like to do a video at some point with identical settings across a few different machines side by side.Tiger Sales: AHP Distributor www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P, Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma. For Sale: Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun. Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:Originally Posted by soutthpawHe makes a really good point at the end about differences between MIG machines. I have found that the settings variation for MIG across different brands or even different machines of the same brand is more significant with MIG than any other process.. I would like to do a video at some point with identical settings across a few different machines side by side.
Reply:I don't have enough experience with MIG to even comment about that, I've probably used 2 different machines one was running solid wire and the other was using dual shield. I just thought everyone would like to see that we are getting some publicity, waiting for ZT to post.
Reply:The other thing that adds so much variation in machines it the fact that many only list the voltage and wire speed in a arbitrary format and not actual volts and wire speed. IE. 45% wire speed and 6.5 out of 10 voltage. Or. E on a A to J scale... Also many use a preset current to drive the feed motor. Only feed systems with actual. Motor or drive wheel RPM monitor systems will give u accurate wire feed..Tiger Sales: AHP Distributor www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P, Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma. For Sale: Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun. Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:ZT's been MIA. Too bad, loved looking at all of his work.-AaronJet 17.5" Drill Press1942 South Bend 16x84 Lathe1980s Miller 320A / BP --- 2013 Power Mig 2562012 Jet 7x12 Horizontal BandsawVictor O/A Setup
Reply:Originally Posted by rabidchimpZT's been MIA. Too bad, loved looking at all of his work.-Aaron
Reply:Originally Posted by rabidchimpZT's been MIA. Too bad, loved looking at all of his work.-Aaron
Reply:Originally Posted by ZTFabI'm still alive and well.The last few months have been crazy. I have moved both my home and my shop, all during the holidays, and have been working 6-7 days a week.I had a few friends get a hold of me and let me know that Jody had posted the video. I'm flattered that he did but don't really know what else to say that I haven't already said in the Mig-like-Tig thread about the technique, settings, and applications. I don't really have the desire to rehash the debates that have already taken place here, and many other websites, over this. It has it's pros and cons just like every other technique and/or process and it's not a be-all end-all technique to use on everything. Some people just can't get past the fact that there are sectors of the welding industry that not only use techniques like this but practically demand them. I'm sure that some people may benefit more from a video (and Jody's shows pretty much exactly what I do) but nothing will replace the time you spend with the gun, practicing. So much of this technique comes down to repetition and muscle memory...just like a professional athlete that has to practice a throw, shot, or swing...it's not automatic, it's learned.
Reply:Originally Posted by smilexelectricNo need to start the debate. Jody and your Mig like Tig thread already summed everything up on the pros and cons. Just wanted everyone to see you had been mentioned.
Reply:Pretty sure if anybody could "stick like tig" it'd be you!
Reply:Originally Posted by RhymesWithBobPretty sure if anybody could "stick like tig" it'd be you!
Reply:Howdy stranger! Moving SUCKS!...zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:Originally Posted by ZTFabI appreciate it. I wasn't directing the "debate" rant at you. More so at a lot of the viewer comments that I have already read on Jody's video. So many people are so quick to dismiss the validity and/or the procedure of this technique simply because they lack the open mind and/or diligence it takes to learn. For example, I don't know how to stick weld and I have neither the time nor desire to learn as I have no use for it in what I do for a living....but, I won't dismiss it's practicality and purpose in the fields where it is used simply because I have no use for it.
Reply:Originally Posted by ZTFabLOL..maybe!...but for now it would be more like "stick-like-$hit"
Reply:Originally Posted by zapsterHowdy stranger! Moving SUCKS!...zap!
Reply:Has anybody been reading the comments on Jody's video?What a bunch of ignorant dolts.Reminds me of why I don't spend my time dealing with this crap anymore. I love to teach and help people learn if they are open minded and willing but I can't pull people's heads out of their a$$ for them in order to do so. It's a shame that people or so quick to attack something that isn't common in their limited experience. Hell, even Jody says, "...it [mig like tig] doesn't really mean it's a quality weld, it doesn't really mean anything."Well, it doesn't mean that it's automatically a bad weld but so many are willing to say it is, yet they have no experience with it.http://all-a-cart.comWelding Cart Kits and accessories
Reply:in viewing the projects you have posted, i am shure the welds are not just cosmetic but quality 150%. your work sells itself and your customer base demands nothing but quality. hats off to ya.
Reply:Youtube videos always have the most ignorant comments. I feel like behind every comment is a 12 year old.Miller ab/p 330Hobart champ 16Miller 140Lincoln Power Mig 255Lincoln SA-250
Reply:I don't watch any of those bullcrap videos....Everyone has an opinion and they are like a$$holes..They all stink.I am pretty sure that your welds 'aint coming apart anytime soon Paul so let the naysayers have their views..WE know better.I hope you stick around more now that you are back on level ground once again..And as a side note comparing various machines with the ":Same" settings is a crap shoot also..EVERY machine has a "Sweet Spot" and it's up to YOU to go find it....zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:Well I'm not looking for a bunch of noses up my a$$hole but I just can't believe the amount of complete BS and conjecture that is being spewed. It's a shame because I won't be doing any videos anytime soon, if ever, and the comments being made aren't helping to validate the practicality and daily use of the technique by thousands of weldors in the Motorsports industry.http://all-a-cart.comWelding Cart Kits and accessories
Reply:Originally Posted by j440Youtube videos always have the most ignorant comments. I feel like behind every comment is a 12 year old.
Reply:Originally Posted by ZTFabHas anybody been reading the comments on Jody's video?What a bunch of ignorant dolts.Reminds me of why I don't spend my time dealing with this crap anymore. I love to teach and help people learn if they are open minded and willing but I can't pull people's heads out of their a$$ for them in order to do so. It's a shame that people or so quick to attack something that isn't common in their limited experience. Hell, even Jody says, "...it [mig like tig] doesn't really mean it's a quality weld, it doesn't really mean anything."Well, it doesn't mean that it's automatically a bad weld but so many are willing to say it is, yet they have no experience with it.Originally Posted by LanseI can confirm this (Okay, I love my fans, but I still get a lot of these comments...)ZT, don't take them personally...
Reply:Originally Posted by Brand XI think the main issue, is people trying to get that look, without your experience/talent to do so. It takes quite a bit of work to even get close to the way yours ties into the toes etc.. Might be best to use a different style until you can get up to a certain level. I am amazed at how well my friend does on some of his Mufti-pass dual-shield welds. Things of beauty, and took him 1000's of hours to get there. Hood time/hard work, and talent got him there. There is no real short cut, other then picking up some info from him.. It's nice you post how you do it, and pictures on the final product..
Reply:Originally Posted by ZTFabI completely agree. Too may people want to run before they even know how to crawl and they think that watching a youtube video is going to get them there.Not to single anyone out but Gamble's post is a perfect example of that. The procedure has been explicitly outlined, in detail, and takes time and practice to perfect. Watching a video will never replace the amount of time behind the hood and the muscle memory that it takes to be consistent.
Reply:Originally Posted by Jon KI agree but at the same time learning today is a lot different - I know people don't want to address that but it's true. For instance, I am an IT guy - I can work thru any network/system/database design you want for however many sites to whatever level of integration, etc. That's what I know - I didn't learn it in school, I've been doing it since I was 13. Much the same people who are 13 aren't stacking dimes in welding but they know the basics and they master that. The problem is, back when I was 13 (15 years ago) there was no youtube, etc. So, today, it's not that I want to see a video so I "know how to do it" its more of a video to see how it's done and see that it can be done without other processes etc. For instance I just bought a small lathe - I am by no means a master of it. Heck, I should should practice centering my tool height and get my feeds and speeds down... but instead I have stuff I need to make and it's just easier to watch MrPete222 and get the general idea and go at it. I own a copy of a machinists library book set, but its just nice to say hey i need to turn a taper into some brass and.. oh... here's the tool angle and such on a youtube video.
Reply:Originally Posted by Brand XI think the main issue, is people trying to get that look, without your experience/talent to do so. It takes quite a bit of work to even get close to the way yours ties into the toes etc.. Might be best to use a different style until you can get up to a certain level. I am amazed at how well my friend does on some of his Mufti-pass dual-shield welds. Things of beauty, and took him 1000's of hours to get there. Hood time/hard work, and talent got him there. There is no real short cut, other then picking up some info from him.. It's nice you post how you do it, and pictures on the final product..
Reply:Originally Posted by ZTFabI'm self taught as well. The problem I see is that most aren't "learning", they're just "doing" like they saw it done on some video. That is mainly my frustration. The information that is so readily available now wasn't so easily obtained back then. 21 years ago (when I was 13) there wasn't anything but books, encyclopedias, and men with real world experience and you had to put in the hours and start at the bottom in order to learn.It seems that "13 year olds" today aren't trying to learn the basics and are just skipping the fundamentals all together in order to do and say they are something they really aren't. I appreciate the time that members of this forum and people like Jody, Lanse, Tubalcain, Keith Fenner, etc take to show their work and teach their knowledge but I feel the information falls on blind eyes and deaf ears because most want to skip ahead to advanced welding and machining techniques. Almost anybody can pick up a MIG gun or turn down a part on a lathe after watching some videos on youtube and think they are a "weldor" or "machinist" but when a problem arises or they back themselves into a corner, fundamentals and experience are needed to fix it and that's what separates the men from the boys.
Reply:Originally Posted by Jon KThe difference between you and I is that I know how it has to be done and know why it has to be done and I can probably get it done... but you know how, why, and you can not only get it done but you can do it with more certainty, less experimentation, and you can make it look better than me. I read a story of a guy on Honda-Tech who opened a fabrication shop for Honda/VW and made BEAUTIFUL manifolds and exhausts and had a beautiful shop and all. Problem was that people thought his $1200 downpipe and exhaust was too much and went to "Weld My Exhaust" shop that MIG'd it with ER70S and charged $300. Some people can appreciate not only the technical portion of a project but the artistry and creativity - that's me. When I look at parts that are designed part of me thinks about what cutters were used the other part thinks m an the guy who drew this up had a good eye for what looks good as well.
Reply:Originally Posted by Jon KRight but that's not for you to try and correct. If you show someone/tell someone how you do something and all they can do is that then they are the ones holding themselves back.
Reply:Originally Posted by DanA unit with a lower inductance level (crisp arc) helps, especially when you start dropping down to 1/8" thick material. The Millermatic 180 worked well for this technique. On 1/8" material I cheat and drop down to an .023 wire.I've never tried it, but I suspect an ER70S-3 or even an ER70S-2, might be a better wire for this technique then an ER70S-6.
Reply:Originally Posted by ZTFabI'm self taught as well. The problem I see is that most aren't "learning", they're just "doing" like they saw it done on some video. That is mainly my frustration.It seems that "13 year olds" today aren't trying to learn the basics and are just skipping the fundamentals all together in order to do and say they are something they really aren't. fundamentals and experience are needed to fix it and that's what separates the men from the boys.
Reply:I am new to mig. I have only been at it for less than 10 years. Before that I was stick only and admittedly had a hard time coming to understand how such a little wire could do what it did. I also was taught while on the job. Basically thrown in the deep end...learn wire feed or walk. I could produce a beautiful slug weld like what Dan is talking about due to all the years using stick, but the shop I worked for said it was too easy to cold lap the joint that was and insisted upon Paul's method. Most all the welders I know use Paul's method. I thought it was regional, but I am finding it is preferred all over. Both Dan's and Paul's method illustrate one thing. Nothing substitutes hood time.
Reply:Originally Posted by ZTFabAlmost anybody can pick up a MIG gun or turn down a part on a lathe after watching some videos on youtube and think they are a "weldor" or "machinist" but when a problem arises or they back themselves into a corner, fundamentals and experience are needed to fix it and that's what separates the men from the boys.
Reply:Being I,m a new guy, & I have NO FIGHT here or want one let me say this please.I,m a67 year old retited tool & die maker.Welders, machinist, & so on are all craftmen.We takealot of pride in our workmanship.But if we are good at what we do, we don't need to knock anyones work to improvewhat we have already done.I think it,s great both you & Jody have your sites & helpthe ones as us.ZTFab reading & looking through the craftmanship you do is nothing but the best,my friend.There is alot of room on the net for both you & Jody. I thank both of you guys for helping the rest of us.Bless both of you! Fly
Reply:Well said Fly !
Reply:By the way Paul...Do you think you could help out in our "International Welding Clinic Day" coming up?http://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=173851It would be nice!...zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:Originally Posted by FlyBeing I,m a new guy, & I have NO FIGHT here or want one let me say this please.I,m a67 year old retited tool & die maker.Welders, machinist, & so on are all craftmen.We takealot of pride in our workmanship.But if we are good at what we do, we don't need to knock anyones work to improvewhat we have already done.I think it,s great both you & Jody have your sites & helpthe ones as us.ZTFab reading & looking through the craftmanship you do is nothing but the best,my friend.There is alot of room on the net for both you & Jody. I thank both of you guys for helping the rest of us.Bless both of you! Fly
Reply:Hey bud thank you for your response.Both you guy's are the best of the best.I love reading bothsites.I really do not think Jody was not taking shots at you.I think you had him wondering how youdid that as good as you did.It seems to me. Jody takes pride in his tig welding, more than hismig.I can,t talk for him but most of his stuff is tig.I,m kind of the same.I,m a ole drag racer & I hungaround a buddys shop that made TOP FUEL & FUNNYCAR frames.Untill mig came on the seenI never knew of anththing else, other than stick.But heck I,m old.Love both of you guy's & learn from both!Both you guy,s are the best.You two arethe masters the rest of us want to be & we learn from. Thank you my Freind (Fly)
Reply:Originally Posted by ZTFabAlmost anybody can pick up a MIG gun or turn down a part on a lathe after watching some videos on youtube and think they are a "weldor" or "machinist" but when a problem arises or they back themselves into a corner, fundamentals and experience are needed to fix it and that's what separates the men from the boys.
Reply:Well ZT you have inspired at least one person on the other side of the world. I found this forum through the MIG like TIG thread and read the whole thing. I have been experimenting with the technique and although I can't do what you do I have been able to produce good sound welds with a stack of dimes apperance and my customers think they are great. That doesn't mean they are any better than a normal weld as you and Jody say, but if the perception is they are better and they are strong enough for the purpose (which they are) then that can only be a good thing.I wouldn't worry about argueing with the doubters, just keep posting more pictures of your work, I laugh everytime someone says it can't be done and you throw up some more pics of your work showing that not only can it be done, but that it can be a work of art as well.Cheers Andrew
Reply:Yo Paul, we live in a world of instant gratification with alot of jealous people out there. I see it all the time bro, if they can't get ahead in life they try and drag people behind them. Don't even let them take up space in your head. Everyones a keyboard tough guy until they meet you face to face, you know the deal Glad to see you around and that your move is done. Be cool bud I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:Dan,I think ER-70-2 will be pretty hard to wet out the toes. Pretty stiff wire. Sure has a clean arc though..I still have the roll you gave me years ago. I heard it was a very good pulse wire for out of position welding. That came from the MK products/Thermal- arc/ Esab rep, and welding teacher at the Collage you went to. He lays down a nice bead too. Textbook.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Originally Posted by GambleI'd have to say that when I was into modding cars I spent a lot of money on my last toy and always looked at SS manifolds, and other pretty pieces and thought to myself that they are way over priced. Then I met a guy who did all my fab work and started to talk to him more and more and he told me he didn't make a whole lot of money on say a turbo manifold because of the hours he put into it and parts (they were around $700) so I looked into it myself and probably **** a brick when I found out how much some of those flanges (especially head flanges) cost and even over $100 for a good 4 cylinder collector!I saw a video that a company put out showing how they build intake manifolds and after watching all the work that goes into it, the $500-$900 is easily justifiable for sure. I think a lot of people just don't know what is all involved and how much things cost to make. I was one of them.Btw the video of making a aluminum manifold is here on the homepage if anyone wants to see it; pretty cool.http://www.jmfabrications.com/site/
Reply:I wouldn't put much stock in the views of people soley trying to learn to weld online.Millermatic 252millermatic 175miller 300 Thunderboltlincoln ranger 250smith torcheslots of bfh'sIf it dont fit get a bigger hammer
Reply:jody posted this a long time ago and it is no different than this new video at the heart of it all.
Reply:Let me start out by sayin , ZTFab, Your beads always look great. Extremely consistent which takes a ton of under the hood time to get perfected. I agree with Jody that inductance plays a large roll in getting the distinct ripples that everyone desires. When I try for the Mig like Tig with my XMT300 I always play around with the Inductance Knob, (which doubles as arc control in CC mode). Does anyone else with other machines have the adjustable Inductance Knob? And if so, what do you run it at? I usually set mine around 50 (1-100) for general work, but turn it up and down to dial it into the sweet spot. It seems like in between 30-50 is where I like it for a nice distinct rippled bead.-MMJMiller PRO 300 CC/CV MitsubishiMiller Big Blue 502D CC/CV DeutzMiller XMT300Miller Suitcase 12RC Lincoln Invertec V310 ACLincoln Power Mig 250Lots and Lots of Dual Shield |
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