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ive herd that there is a diff. in anvils like HF suckshow are northern tools or grizzly yes if you can find and old used one that would be best
Reply:Northern looks to be about the same as HF and the prices reflect it.Ed Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:Hey Ed Mac, watch this guy.[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3uzWOAaWDU[/ame]City of L.A. Structural; Manual & Semi-Automatic;"Surely there is a mine for silver, and a place where gold is refined. Iron is taken from the earth, and copper is smelted from ore."Job 28:1,2Lincoln, Miller, Victor & ISV BibleDanny
Reply:The vidio stopped at the peen test.  This reminds me of a "Wood granade" I bought once.  It was a round wedge for splitting wood.  When I hit it with a sledge hammer, IT exploded.  It was cast iron.  What a joke.DavidReal world weldin.  When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.
Reply:What a lot of people overlook was addressed by the Video-You are looking for something to beat on and sometimes a HF Anvil is good enough to get you started.Ed Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:I guess I must be lucky, I found several old anvil's when I went looking for one. I find the olds one the best. This is the only pic I could find of it on my laptop. Miller DVI2Lincoln Precision Tig 225Thermodynamics Cutmaster 38Everything else needed.
Reply:Originally Posted by jamlitI guess I must be lucky, I found several old anvil's when I went looking for one. I find the olds one the best. This is the only pic I could find of it on my laptop.
Reply:Originally Posted by Broccoli1You Suck
Reply:Very good video, especially the part about the sound test. I haven't looked at a Harbor Freight anvil in a few years but they used to have china on the side and they seemed to be cast iron. Still something to beat on but not nearly as durable as an older anvil. No hard facing, just cast iron.Finding an old anvil in any condition around here is like panning for gold in the Pecos River, you ain't gonna find any. And you couldn't afford one if you did. I went to a farm auction in the late 70's when all the farmers were going broke and they did the march on Washington. They had a really nice anvil among other things. I found out right quick why the farmers were going broke. A farmer gave over $2 a pound for the thing then. Among other things I saw the MIller Mig I was after go for more than my LWS was selling them for new.A piece of advise. If you find an old anvil that the hard surface is in bad shape, walk away from it. There has already been a thread about that.
Reply:Very good video, especially the part about the sound test. I haven't looked at a Harbor Freight anvil in a few years but they used to have china on the side and they seemed to be cast iron. Still something to beat on but not nearly as durable as an older anvil. No hard facing, just cast iron.Finding an old anvil in any condition around here is like panning for gold in the Pecos River, you ain't gonna find any. And you couldn't afford one if you did. I went to a farm auction in the late 70's when all the farmers were going broke and they did the march on Washington. They had a really nice anvil among other things. I found out right quick why the farmers were going broke. A farmer gave over $2 a pound for the thing then. Among other things I saw the MIller Mig I was after go for more than my LWS was selling them for new.A piece of advice. If you find an old anvil that the hard surface is in bad shape, walk away from it. There has already been a thread about that.
Reply:Originally Posted by tanglediverHey Ed Mac, watch this guy.
Reply:HF no longer carries the Russian Cast Steel Anvil that the Video talks about, just the Junkie cast iron one.Ed Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:Originally Posted by OldtimerVery good video, especially the part about the sound test. I haven't looked at a Harbor Freight anvil in a few years but they used to have china on the side and they seemed to be cast iron. Still something to beat on but not nearly as durable as an older anvil. No hard facing, just cast iron.Finding an old anvil in any condition around here is like panning for gold in the Pecos River, you ain't gonna find any. And you couldn't afford one if you did. I went to a farm auction in the late 70's when all the farmers were going broke and they did the march on Washington. They had a really nice anvil among other things. I found out right quick why the farmers were going broke. A farmer gave over $2 a pound for the thing then. Among other things I saw the MIller Mig I was after go for more than my LWS was selling them for new.A piece of advise. If you find an old anvil that the hard surface is in bad shape, walk away from it. There has already been a thread about that.
Reply:Sorry about the double post. Don't know how I managed that.The mig and the anvil weren't the only things I saw bought for more than they were worth, just the worst examples. I've given up on auctions and gunshows. No bargains anymore.
Reply:Originally Posted by OldtimerSorry about the double post. Don't know how I managed that.The mig and the anvil weren't the only things I saw bought for more than they were worth, just the worst examples. I've given up on auctions and gunshows. No bargains anymore.
Reply:A friend of mine bought a russian cast steel anvil from HF about 6 months ago. The anvils they have in the store are china made chunks of cast iron in the shape of anvil. He asked one of the guys working there about the russian one and they ordered it for him. Maybe they are still available by special order.Miller EconotigCutmaster 38Yes ma'am, that IS a screwdriver in my pocket!
Reply:Russian anvils were made by the infamous Chernobyl Iron Works comrade…  As an added feature they will glow in the dark without batteries.
Reply:Originally Posted by BilldacatRussian anvils were made by the infamous Chernobyl Iron Works comrade…  As an added feature they will glow in the dark without batteries.
Reply:Haven't seen this posted yet and maybe I missed it but there are different types of anvils and yes they all do the same thing, you smack the sh*t out of things on them. But there are differences that could help or hinder depending on what your doing with them. A machinist anvil is what I would assume most guys on here are looking for. A farriers anvil (horse shoer) has a more rounded horn, usually they have a narrower waist and some type of clip horn, they may also have turning cams as well as pritchel holes. As far as refacing an anvil goes it s not that hard if you have a decent anvil to start with . The foreign one don't seem to take to it as well. And as far as ringing the anvil (checking sound) IMO thats just a good way to mess the face of the anvil up and what does it tell you nothing anvils will ring differently by there design and base material (some of the shoeing anvils now have aluminum bases). Depending on what you are trying to accomplish a BFH isn't always best a smaller hammer with the correct face (head) will do more to move metal than just beating the h*ll out of it with a BFH. It is the face that does the work, mass does help some but the face is where the metal really moves or not. And you won't wear out your arms swinging a smaller hammer getting the job done quicker. Try it ball pein hammers are an exaggerated example but the round end will move a lot more metal than the flat face will.
Reply:Lots of anvil info here:http://www.abana.org/resources/discu...tml?1173215050WeldingWeb forum--now more sophomoric banter than anything else!
Reply:my local steel guy buys from oneal steel. you have to tell them you want usa steel cause if you don't you get chi com steel. the chi com sheet was lamented. every time he tried to cut it the top layer would melt away to reveal another layer.
Reply:oh yeah if you want a good anvil get one that farriers use. these anvils have a longer horn and come in different sizes. just do a little research on which one is the best. and remember; you pay for what you get.
Reply:Originally Posted by Broccoli1What a lot of people overlook was addressed by the Video-You are looking for something to beat on and sometimes a HF Anvil is good enough to get you started.
Reply:hey ed mac,looking over your threads you ain't messin' a round, so buying a Quality Anvil is certainly the route to take- either new or keep an eye out for a used one.Ed Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:k I found a guy about 30 min from me and he said he has 4 but only 3 r for sale. His father was a blacksmith in the 50's and said I could have my choice of the 3 for $250 (canadian) he said that that will be less than a dollar a pound so how big would a 300lb anvil be. he said he would load it in my truck with a tractor. I figured a reg anvil would be 200lb max any ideas.I have a anvil that stands 15 inches tall, has a face 5 1/4 inches wide and is 3 foot 1/2 inch long from horn to heel.  I was told when I bought it that it was about 480 lbs.  I have not weighed it. I paid 500 for it.  I would buy every quality anvil that I could afford for a buck a pound but I have seen them go for 3 to 4 bucks a pound too.  Last time I checked (couple of years ago, I think) you could buy a brand new english anvil 500 lbs for 2500 bucks.  No idea on shipping.  Suposed to be good anvils made just like the older ones.  Not sure if the company is still in business or not.  They had smaller ones for less money too.I have never seen one but I have heard rumors of an anvil that was about 800 lbs for sale.  I read somewhere that in the USA there were a few anvils were made up to 1200 lbs at some point in history.  I would love to see one if they exsist.  I would like to own one too.  Yal like thats going to happen.Mack
Reply:I've got a HF cast steel anvil.  Tough little booger.  It was hit by a bush Hog.  Didn't break but broke the blades on the machine.  The horn is a little out of round, but a little dressing with a grinder fixed that.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:I have a Northern Tool Anvil (70# cast iron) and it's pretty much the same as I see at HF and both are made in China.  I found a better one locally for $200 - 122 lbs cast steel (also made in China) but definitely better that the HF/NT iron ones.  I still use both, the cheaper cast iron one for the initial rough work and the steel one for finishing work ( it has a bigger and flatter face).  Try to find a good old one for a reasonable price is next to impossibe - just luck.  Craigslist and ebay have made everyone aware of the potential value of good old anvils.  (see pic in my post on new anvil)
Reply:The cast steel anvils are made in Russia.  Depending upon how big the store is,  they still stock them. Particularly in Ga where there is a large conglomeration of Smiths.  Mine is 115#.There have been several evaluations by experienced black smiths posted on the net that give this anvil good marks.  Though it doesn't recieve the highest,  it is rated for intermediate use.Last edited by lugweld; 12-13-2008 at 03:28 PM.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:I don't have an anvil but I  have a rail road tie. Not as good as an anvil but it works for me.O/A Set-Up Radnor Gauges WH26FC  Welding Torch CA25       Cutting Attachment 0 TipThat is it for now...More to come later...
Reply:Today, in a pinch, I made do with a three inch pipe to form a red hot U bolt into a circle. It worked perfectly!  I have an obsolete trailer tongue that has some great shapes on it for detail sheet metal repairs and forming. It doesn't have to be expensive or flashy to get the odd job done.  There is one anvil at school that is handbuilt from scraps, about 2 feet long, great for students!!  Last edited by tanglediver; 12-13-2008 at 09:34 PM.City of L.A. Structural; Manual & Semi-Automatic;"Surely there is a mine for silver, and a place where gold is refined. Iron is taken from the earth, and copper is smelted from ore."Job 28:1,2Lincoln, Miller, Victor & ISV BibleDanny
Reply:I don't have an anvil but I have a rail road tie. Not as good as an anvil but it works for me.
Reply:Originally Posted by Oldiron2The 'tie' is the support, usually wooden in the USA, which the rail rests on and which keeps the rails from spreading. A heavy forged steel plate sits between the two, and the spikes go through square holes in it and into the tie, also called a 'sleeper'.The rail can be used as, or made into, an anvil but the spikes and plates are also useful around a shop.
Reply:Here's one I built for a neighbor a few years ago. I won't say how long it took to build but if I had charged him he would have had to sell his first born to pay for it. I sqared half the top and left half rounded. I used 110M rods for build up but I've heard since that 7010's would have worked as well. It has worked well for him.
Reply:Originally Posted by jamlitI guess I must be lucky, I found several old anvil's when I went looking for one. I find the olds one the best. This is the only pic I could find of it on my laptop. Attachment 24028
Reply:Originally Posted by lugweldI've got a HF cast steel anvil.  Tough little booger.  It was hit by a bush Hog.  Didn't break but broke the blades on the machine.  The horn is a little out of round, but a little dressing with a grinder fixed that.
Reply:Originally Posted by Chevy-ArtI don't have an anvil but I  have a rail road tie. Not as good as an anvil but it works for me.
Reply:No,I had the anvil sitting outside the shop at the time.  The shop I had then was too small to keep stuff like that in. So I set it out next to a pile of 2.5 inch tubing I had.  Bermuda grass had its way that summer and when the farmer cut down the edge of his field,  he "kindly" bushhogged the area for me with out telling me.I felt bad as it damaged his machine and did reletively little damage to mine, at least nothing a little grinding and spot weld repair won't fix.You burned cross ties?   I don't won't to see your chimney when it catches fire.  How could you stand the stench of creosote?BTW  the preferred tree of choice in cross ties are sweet or black gum, cherry but will accept anything except poplar and pine.Last edited by lugweld; 12-14-2008 at 11:20 PM.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:Originally Posted by Oldiron2I try to keep 'pinches' out of my shop; they're too easy to fall into!Was the term 'Yankee Ingenuity" invented by blacksmiths, or did they just improve on the idea?
Reply:Originally Posted by lugweldNo,I had the anvil sitting outside the shop at the time.  The shop I had then was too small to keep stuff like that in. So I set it out next to a pile of 2.5 inch tubing I had.  Bermuda grass had its way that summer and when the farmer cut down the edge of his field,  he "kindly" bushhogged the area for me with out telling me.I felt bad as it damaged his machine and did reletively little damage to mine, at least nothing a little grinding and spot weld repair won't fix.You burned cross ties?   I don't won't to see your chimney when it catches fire.  How could you stand the stench of creosote?BTW  the preferred tree of choice in cross ties are sweet or black gum, cherry but will accept anything except poplar and pine.