newly acquired antique Lincwelder DC180AS

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Hello to all as I am new to the forum!!! I have recently acquired my grandfather's Wisconsin 2cyl powered "Lincwelder". He turns 92 in a week and claims he purchased this welder in 1948 when he opened his mechanic's shop. He cant find any of the manuals on this machine and I would like to find out more about it to refurbish and make it a "daily driver". The info I have taken from the badge is as follows:Serial: 4283487Code: 1402For whatever reason he had removed the magneto and from I understand about cars (distributor), it needs to be timed. Has anyone any information (owners manual/ rebuild guide) for one of these?? Also, were these a common machine for small job shops?Any insight greatly appreciated!!!
Reply:Let's see if I get the link right.http://www.mylincolnelectric.com/Cat...t.aspx?p=25518
Reply:Licoln's website gives these pages for the lincwelder with the Wisconsin engine:Operator's Manual  http://content.lincolnelectric.com//...r/im/IM123.pdfParts 1  http://content.lincolnelectric.com//.../parts/P41.pdfParts 2  http://content.lincolnelectric.com//.../parts/P25.pdfHope this helps. Good luck.Whoops! Sandy posted while I was still coppying sites. It's all the same place, anyway.Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize we cannot eat money.                                         -Cree Indian ProverbSA 200 LincolnVictor Torches
Reply:Well, Sandy; The link works for me; I might even downnload the pdf's just to see what he has!
Reply:Welcome to the forum Mr. Martensite.Congratulations on your recent acquisition.  Let's see some photos of that bad bear!Sandy / gg - one has to be quick nowadays.  You guys don't give a guy a chance anymore.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:By golly we got 'em dialed in this time. Of course Duane has the parts list memorized prolly!!!! He may have some in a drawer somewhere.
Reply:For sure on the "dialed in"!Memorized?  What are we talking about?MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:HOLY COW!!! Thanks for the great response!!! I see the pdf's from Lincoln are spot on what I have. I did find a link to the Wisconsin 2cyl pdf manual...see below:http://www.wisconsinmotors.com/partc...engineswm.htmlI look forward to digging into this project and continue its life of burning some rod! I will post some pics tomorrow...I just got home with it today!!!!Thanks for your help!!!!
Reply:Cool Machine.I love those old Lincolns!Gotta see pics of this one!Hey Duane.Give you any ideas for your next project? #1. If you don't like what I wrote, or if it offends you, then don't read it!#2. I am living life the way I see fit, if you don't like the way I'M living, tough sh**!
Reply:"He turns 92 in a week and claims he purchased this welder in 1948"     Better not show him the pics after the redo,he may want it back.     Cool welder ,looking forward to the picsFelonCaution lurker lives here" hmmm That is serious,pass the ganja and pick up a  24 of MGD"
Reply:Here are a few pics I snapped last night....Anyone have any idea on how to time the magneto with the flywheel?? Are there marks on the flywheel?Thanks for the help so far!!! Attached Images
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Reply:Pretty cool looking old welder you talked Grandpa out of. You got his old anvil too didn't you?You might check on sites that have wisconsin engines and parts for information on the magneto setup. I need to do the same thing...I took the mag off a trencher & intended to replace it where it sat....unfortunately someone moved it and turned the engine over so it isn't like it was when I removed the mag.Most welders have different engine manuals for the engines that get installed on the welders,since the same type welder can have different engines.Good Luck... I'd be proud to have a welder from my Grandpa and you can make that one look as good as a new one.
Reply:That has got to be one of the coolest looking portable welders I have ever seen!And its in great shape for its age.I imagine you could have that one restored to like new in no time!And it even comes with an old on board tool set! #1. If you don't like what I wrote, or if it offends you, then don't read it!#2. I am living life the way I see fit, if you don't like the way I'M living, tough sh**!
Reply:That's a cool welder! Grandpa done ya' right. It definately needs some TLC...and some RED paint!! Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize we cannot eat money.                                         -Cree Indian ProverbSA 200 LincolnVictor Torches
Reply:WOW, any one notice the crank start?Lincoln Ranger 8                        Lincoln 175                          Drill pressLincoln 225 mig                            Plasma                              8 ft brake        52" jump shear
Reply:They are a very nice old welder.  I have had one for the last several years, and it welds like a champ.  the amperage control takes a little getting used to, but works well once you do.  The manual from lincoln does not state duty cycle, but I have read elsewhere that it is 30%.  It will work harder then that, but eventually it takes a toll, I just killed mine yesterday.  Abused it 1 too many times.  now I am trying to figure out what I hurt so I can fix it.
Reply:That's outstanding Mr Matensite! Grandpa's gonna feel good hearing it run.Matt
Reply:Martensite, I believe that TF Wisconsin is the simultaneous fire meaning both cylinders fire at the same time.  The mags are different for the simultaneous fire and 180 deg fire 2 cylinder Wisconsins but regardless they time using the same marks.  You want points set at 0.015" for Fairbanks Morse or Wico mags.  Before installing the mag make sure # 1 cylinder the one nearest the flywheel side of engine is up on top dead center on compression stroke.  If yours has the trash screen with it removed you will see a indention mark at the top of the air shroud opening.  One of the flywheel vanes is marked with a X you should align the leading edge of that vane marked X with the air shroud indention timing mark.  On the housing part where the mag goes there is a plug on the side remove that timing hole plug.  Rotate the mag gear around until the mag impulses and fires and you see a X on mag drive gear it should appear in the center or lower half of the timing plug hole as you install the mag to the engine.  It does happen and if it still doesn't time right to run the gear could be installed on the mag 180 degrees off so turn the gear 180 so the X mark is in the hole after the mag trips and fires.  If you need more help on the engine or mag or the Wisconsin TF TE TH THD TJD service manual email or PM me here I can send that to you in a pdf file.  That sure is a nice original one you got something there to be proud of !
Reply:Martensite;You'll have plenty of time to get the welder to fire/'talk', but have you had time to get the old Weldor to give you all his old stories, preferably on tape? This weekend would have been a great time, especially for war era stories.If you open up the cabinet on the welder section (or the engine, for that mater) get some good pictures of the insides too, if you can.
Reply:I second that on sitting down with Gramps and listening to the old storys.  I was always too busy to make time for those stories, now I only wish I could go back and make that time.  My gradfather was a welder for a portion of his life, I think of him everytime I turn my welder on because I have his old helmet hanging on the wall above my welder.  Lincoln brand helmet paten pending, its gotta be pretty old but I know it is priceless to me.  Take care of that old welder and never forget where you got it.
Reply:Fellas,Its been a year or two, but the progress is coming. See the latest pics in the gallery..almost have the Wisconsin TF rebuilt. Wont be long now!!!
Reply:Mr Martensite, looking great!!  I'm looking forward to the finished product, hurry up!!  Bob
Reply:Hey guys, Im just trying to dig up some information on the DC180AS...My dad recently got one, has it running great, has good arc and the whole nine...Only issue is, we dont have any information on the throttle settings, aside from "..Use setting A for...B for...etc." Could anyone point me in the right direction to find out how to tell what throttle setting your currently using? Ive checked the manuals online, and havent come up with anything yet. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. And thank you in advance.
Reply:Was it difficult finding parts for this? A guy down the road from me has one of these for sale at an AMAZING price and I wanna pick it up, even though my SA-200 is still a work in progress, I love the look of this little machine for some reason. Also he cant find the hand crank piece so I'm hoping I could fab something up real quick just incase."If you ain't making mistakes, it means you aren't learning anything."My father bought one of those and i used it in my first welding truckI put it in the back of my 68 El Camino and did portable welding for the local ranchers and farmers back when i was a teenager made a fair amount of money with it back thenIt has a fuel pump with a manual priming lever on the side of it always needed to flip that lever up and down a few times to prime the carbWhen you go to start it turn the engine to the compression stroke ...then index the crank handle to the 6 o'clock position and pull up toward the 9 o'clock position goining to the 12 o'clock position pull the crank lever off at that point ...if it doesn't start at that point rinse and repeat ..Make sure you have oiled the crank stub a little or it will throw that crank handle if you let it get away from you..Don't ask me how i know this    About 6 months after we bought it the oil pump broke and the engine seized but the guy we bought it from took it back and rebuilt the engine and put in a new oil pump ..Good as new It was a great little welder and we ran the hell out of it rather than run the big old Hobart that had the Chrysler industrial 6 bangerWe had built a little trailer for it and it was stolen back in the 80's but they forgot the crank  And you will have to experiment with the throttle positions to get the output you want for the rod your burning and remember the settingsIt was a great little machine my first lincoln portable  Backed my CATMA over your CARMA oops clusmy me  What would SATAN do ?? Miller Trailblazer 302 AirPakMiller Digital Elite  Optrel Welding HatArcair K4000Suitcase 12RC / 12 VSHypertherm PM-45Rage 3 sawRusty old Truck
Reply:That is neat, I actually passed on an old portable welder with the same 2 cylinder wisconsin engine a few years ago before getting my weldanpower 150.  Looks like a neat project and great story to go with it.  Funny thing is that some of these old engines don't look like they changed design in 30+ years.  Good luck with it.
Reply:Looking good manCan you show a pic of the front LINCWELDER emblem in the front? Mine is missing it and Im wanting to copy yours please thank you  Originally Posted by Mr. MartensiteFellas,Its been a year or two, but the progress is coming. See the latest pics in the gallery..almost have the Wisconsin TF rebuilt. Wont be long now!!!
Reply:These were a great welder.
Reply:Originally Posted by Mr. MartensiteHere are a few pics I snapped last night....Anyone have any idea on how to time the magneto with the flywheel?? Are there marks on the flywheel?Thanks for the help so far!!!