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I participated in the No# 1 Choice of Rod's Survey. I'm buying Forney because, they are one of the closest suppliers to me. I saw where all the China market stuff was discounted out of the survey. I assumed... it was because... the quality is off and poor results. I just looked at the Forney box of ET1T-GS * Flux Core I bought, and the box from HF looks it's a close family resemblance. I just checked the Forney box and it say's USA, so that's a relief. I think that Pro Welders or any welder for that matter would not take the risk with china rod... just too much work.My Dad bought a Forney welder in 1958, when we still had our dairy farm. He fixed everything with it, it was one hell of a welder. Avery** Live Life as If There's No Tomorrow, then, You'll have a Number of Remembrance Smiles as You Prepare to Meet your Maker **Miller(s) 251 w/ Spool Gun 30 A, Big 40, Trailblazer 250 G.; IdealArc 400, SA-200, Classic SA-300, High Freq. Tig., LN-25.
Reply:http://www.esab.com.cn/cn/cn/support...l-products.cfmdon't make me list them all. it's too painful for some here.
Reply:Originally Posted by ncountylinehttp://www.esab.com.cn/cn/cn/support...l-products.cfmdon't make me list them all. it's too painful for some here.
Reply:lincoln electric throws around the made in USA all the time. i am not sure if they mean they make rod for USA consumption only or what. nothing against lincoln because they are all in shanghai or thereabouts. they have to be or they'll die. here is a brief history of lincoln. take a look at the acquisitions after 1999. also you could look into exactly what is produced in the mentor plant in ohio.http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us...y-history.aspxhttp://news.thomasnet.com/companysto...pansion-534436the deal with lincoln as opposed to miller is that lincoln is publicly traded. itw is publicly traded also but because it is a holding company for so many corporations under it's umbrella that you don't get the transparency that you do with lincoln. lincoln is more one dimensional.
Reply:I have been using some store brand chinese solid wire and really have zero complaints. I've actually used a fair amount of it.
Reply:The Chinese are almost at that turning point.......where they run your asczez over like a freight train just like the Japanese did in the late seventies and early eighties with their(now highly respected) automobiles, bikes, outboards etc etc. They know damn well they need to up quality to seal the deal and that's due to training by the Americans ! If they build a machine for Harboring Fright or Bloze they know what parts are crap and can make a "100% Chinese" model that's better ! (Insert waving red flag here).Hide and watch. The best welders( and everything else) will eventually come from Asia. I say " Asia" because companies like LG and Samsung are already kicking ascz. Osprey backpacks out of Nam are rocking the backpack world. Kelty has operated out of the Philippines for ever. You can't pay a meathead $25 an hour to sweep a floor and be competitive any more. No more retired janitors(my ex father in law)sitting in a $200,000 house driving a new Olds thanks to a union. Those daze are looooong gone.BK and McD "chefs" want $15 an hour ? The Chinese got their foot in the door with ridiculously cheap sh!t.They cornered that market planet wide. Now it's time to head up the ladder. Think Celica to Lexus and Civic to Acura. That's their next move. Metabo, Fein,Milwaukee, Dewalt. They're either going to make them for those companies or crush them with something even better but cheaper. It's a beat'em or join'em thang.Go drive a Great Wall pickup and you'll feel it coming. S10 ? Ranger ? NOOP.The Great Wall set it's target on Toyota since they own the small truck movie, world wide.Back to my cupcake baking. My Foreman is marrying my housekeeper tomorrow and Patti is running her salon so numbnuts(that's me) get's to bake.My other Barbies don't know how.Bubble gumTooth pixDuct tapeBlack glueGBMF hammerScrew gun --bad battery (see above)
Reply:Originally Posted by HighFly27I participated in the No# 1 Choice of Rod's Survey. I'm buying Forney because, they are one of the closest suppliers to me. I saw where all the China market stuff was discounted out of the survey. I assumed... it was because... the quality is off and poor results. I just looked at the Forney box of ET1T-GS * Flux Core I bought, and the box from HF looks it's a close family resemblance. I just checked the Forney box and it say's USA, so that's a relief. I think that Pro Welders or any welder for that matter would not take the risk with china rod... just too much work.My Dad bought a Forney welder in 1958, when we still had our dairy farm. He fixed everything with it, it was one hell of a welder. Avery
Reply:That's their next move. Metabo, Fein,Milwaukee, Dewalt. They're either going to make them for those companies or crush them with something even better but cheaper.
Reply:SuperArc,Your Forney Welder looks real close to my Dad's Welder that he bought in 1958. We used it to thaw out water pipes, otherwise.. we'd have 70 Holsteins to carry water to. PA used to get really cold... back in the 50's, 60's, 70s. The river froze over every year and we'd ice skate for miles. We'd have snow from Nov. to March. The weather (Huntingdon, PA) patterns have changed somewhat, we still get snow in PA... but nothing like the ole days, and not nearly as cold (all winter long).AveryAvery** Live Life as If There's No Tomorrow, then, You'll have a Number of Remembrance Smiles as You Prepare to Meet your Maker **Miller(s) 251 w/ Spool Gun 30 A, Big 40, Trailblazer 250 G.; IdealArc 400, SA-200, Classic SA-300, High Freq. Tig., LN-25.
Reply:Having been raised in the south, I never heard of thawing pipes with a welding machine. Do you hook up ground and work leads certain distances apart on the pipes and dial in a certain amount of amperage or what?
Reply:I have found that for TIG filler ER70s-2, Korean is noticeably better than the Italian stuff. Sometimes I can't find a label, but generally if I'm having filler related trouble, it's due to Italian filler rod. We don't see Chinese filler - just Korean and Italian.Miller Dynasty 200 DXMiller CP-300 with 30A feederHypertherm Powermax 900Oxy-fuel w/Harris torchesScotchman Glide-in bandsawMonarch 10EE latheEmi-Mec Autoturn latheDeckel FP2NC milling machinePro-Tools 105 Bender
Reply:Shortfuse,You'd run a heavy duty cable to the area where the pipe is frozen up, connect above & below the frozen area. Connect to the Grn. Side and... I Forgot What Amp ( +) Value that You selected on the Forney Box. The Forney manual had the instructions on thawing out water lines.This was back in the 50's thru the 70's. We feed water from a Spring on the side (gravity feed) of a hill to the barn. The galvanized 3/4 pipe was not as deep as it should have been in some places. The water lines would freeze up when the temp. dropped to (-) 15 F. or so. It would take about 2 to 3 hours + to un-thaw the froze up water lines with the Forney. The gravity feed with low pressure was another contributing factor. We'd leave the water run at a reduced feed to help keep it running & not freeze up. We had heat tape everywhere on the lines above ground. However, when the power went out for more than an hour and temp. was sub zero.. you were in big trouble (all froze up). We get out the gasoline fired blow torches and try to keep things going until the power came back on. If the power was out for sometime.. we'd use our gas powered Farmall 450 tractor to pull vacuum to milk 70 or so head of Holsteins. You had to be careful... to not run the Surge milker machine over; if so, milk would be sucked into the tractor motor. The Farmall did not run too good when milk was sucked in to the intake manifold. I'm 65 now and would love to return to those times... lots of work but the best times of my life. Now a days.. things don't look too good for our Country. I think .... long term greed by our elected officials has us pretty much wrecked (just Nuts). My 18 YO will live in a whole different USA... won't be a good thing.... I'm quite sure ! ! !AveryLast edited by HighFly27; 12-13-2013 at 09:59 PM.** Live Life as If There's No Tomorrow, then, You'll have a Number of Remembrance Smiles as You Prepare to Meet your Maker **Miller(s) 251 w/ Spool Gun 30 A, Big 40, Trailblazer 250 G.; IdealArc 400, SA-200, Classic SA-300, High Freq. Tig., LN-25.
Reply:Avery,Thanks for the insight into thawing with the welder. Your freezing pipe problems are all too familiar to folks here in Arkansas with springs and ponds for water sources and above ground or shallow piping. Most just have to haul water 'til the pipes thaw. I know it was serious at the time but I got a good laugh reading about pulling a vacuum with the tractor and not pulling milk into the motor!!!
Reply:Originally Posted by farmallBTW just because incompetent Americans can't make money using US workers doesn't mean smart foreign investors can't locate here. Continental Tire and Airbus aren't scared of manufacturing in CONUS.
Reply:You didn't read what I wrote:BTW just because incompetent Americans can't make money using US workers
Reply:There is no mathematical support for any US economic model to restore the old middle class because no one needs what most of those people used to do.this is one of the best posts i've ever read on this board.in terms of the subject matter. excellent
Reply:Originally Posted by farmallYou didn't read what I wrote:Foreign investors are using the same worker pool. US union membership is now quite low. American companies can locate in non-union States. Of course blaming the workers for the global race to the bottom is convenient, but the race to the bottom is inevitable because what one man can make, another can make. When US labor was cheap as Chinese labor and workers were just as expendable (check the casualty rates on railroads and in their shops during the Industrial Revolution) we were highly competitive due to cheap labor. Now competition is moving toward extremely efficient manufacturing including "lights out" production. US productivity is still outstanding, but that means we need fewer meatbags turning lug nuts or in service industries:http://www.kivasystems.com/If we copy China we could get some of that specific business short-term, but we'd live in "China" with Chinese pollution levels etc. Meatbag manufacturing is gradually going away. So is much of the middle class because WWII (the most wonderful thing to happen to the US economy) is now many decades over. Get used to it and ensure YOU are special while what you do still pays off. Whatever you can claw by fair means or foul is all you will have and since economics is amoral (not immoral or moral) that's not going to change. There is no reward for virtue. Observe what makes you money, and do that if you want money. If not, don't.Even China is moving to robotics, Foxconn being an example of a highly successful company investing heavily in replacing meat units. The ideal company has no employees because those are a COST center, not a profit center. (That's also why among the ideal businesses is stock trading done by computer.) Foxconn is also among companies who employ US workers, proving yet again that it is currently (change is the only constant) viable for some specific operations. That doesn't mean "everywhere".http://www.pcworld.com/article/20430...factories.htmlThere is no mathematical support for any US economic model to restore the old middle class because no one needs what most of those people used to do. Soon the very old people who remember those days will take their dirt nap and so will most of the nostalgia. There will still BE a middle class because competition drives enough folks to make money no matter what. Technology mean a large underclass can live relatively well by global standards. That underclass is also useful because nations with demographic time bombs will be at huge disadvantage as their populations age out. It's happening in Japan, it will inevitably happen in China, but the US is reasonably protected due to (shock, horror) immigration. Once you accept that inevitable global economic forces don't care what you or I want, you can choose how to react to reality. If you don't like living among the underclass, you can do exactly what Americans did in the 1800s and live where they are few or even where they are kept out. Economic segregation, not racial or ethnic, is a GOOD thing. If you want isolation, go rural. There's plenty of land. The US is enormous. (That's also why abandoning cities like Detroit is practical when their location is no longer useful.)There will always be some good jobs, so fight for them and Cthulhu take the hindmost. Every man for himself, or for his union brothers where that makes money. Just as businesses are totally expendable paper constructs which exist to profit stockholders and nothing else, employment exists to profit the employed. These are opposing interests, not fraternal except in the case of a very few family businesses where a different, social, reward set operates. Modern employment is already considered "temporary", so no reason for employees to slave for a non-fraternal business in order to keep it going when they can make hay while the sun shines then GTFO before the weather changes.
Reply:Originally Posted by HighFly27Shortfuse,You'd run a heavy duty cable to the area where the pipe is frozen up, connect above & below the frozen area. Connect to the Grn. Side and... I Forgot What Amp ( +) Value that You selected on the Forney Box. The Forney manual had the instructions on thawing out water lines.This was back in the 50's thru the 70's. We feed water from a Spring on the side (gravity feed) of a hill to the barn. The galvanized 3/4 pipe was not as deep as it should have been in some places. The water lines would freeze up when the temp. dropped to (-) 15 F. or so. It would take about 2 to 3 hours + to un-thaw the froze up water lines with the Forney. The gravity feed with low pressure was another contributing factor. We'd leave the water run at a reduced feed to help keep it running & not freeze up. We had heat tape everywhere on the lines above ground. However, when the power went out for more than an hour and temp. was sub zero.. you were in big trouble (all froze up). We get out the gasoline fired blow torches and try to keep things going until the power came back on. If the power was out for sometime.. we'd use our gas powered Farmall 450 tractor to pull vacuum to milk 70 or so head of Holsteins. You had to be careful... to not run the Surge milker machine over; if so, milk would be sucked into the tractor motor. The Farmall did not run too good when milk was sucked in to the intake manifold. I'm 65 now and would love to return to those times... lots of work but the best times of my life. Now a days.. things don't look too good for our Country. I think .... long term greed by our elected officials has us pretty much wrecked (just Nuts). My 18 YO will live in a whole different USA... won't be a good thing.... I'm quite sure ! ! !Avery
Reply:Originally Posted by shortfuseHaving been raised in the south, I never heard of thawing pipes with a welding machine. Do you hook up ground and work leads certain distances apart on the pipes and dial in a certain amount of amperage or what?
Reply:Originally Posted by MoonshineMetalsIf you look on the face of a Lincoln AC-225 welder, you'll see that upon setting the amerpage control to "75," that it is the only numbered setting with a "circle" around it. In the old days, Lincoln actually published in their user's manual that to thaw pipes with the welder, the setting of "75" was where you wanted the machine. Due to liability issues, Lincoln no longer recommends, nor do they publish those instructions with the current AC-225 welders. But, they do continue to make the face plates with a circled number "75" indicator. "...and now you know, the rest of the story. Good day!" -Paul Harvey R.I.P.
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Reply:Originally Posted by BurpeeThat comes as a result of all of theose Irish and Venezuelan ambulance chasing lawyers littering your phone books.Now that I seemed to have begunded aChit aStorm. Here's the future. Adapt or die !
Reply:ive run quite a bit of Forney flux core. Not because I love it or want to, but because of availability. I like Hobart flux core soo much better than Forney. Problem is Im not gonna spend $120 for a 10lb spool from my local Airgas and they dont carry the small spools. Only option is Forney from local hardware store or the inflated prices at Fastenal store for there GS Blackstone brand.I have ordered Hobart wire from amazon but its just a pain in the *** and paying shipping sucks and by time you pay for shipping on a few 2# spools u can buy another #2 spool locally of the Forney stuff.Forney welded erratic for the first few feet then calmed down. Weld color is different from hobart too. slag is harder to remove. seems the welds are strong enough although only did a destruction test on hobart wire when trying to figure out what setting and travel speed for good penetration. Forney has more smoke then hobart and also more spatter and I do get probs with arc blow on corner joint with forney alot.HH140---------------------------https://www.facebook.com/brandon.pike.9
Reply:My Oh My (our Country),I remember back to my high school days, one of my classes was -- Problems of Democracy (POD). My teacher was Mr. Baddorf, a WW2 Vet., many of my teachers were WW2 Vets. Later in life, I learned to really appreciate these fine teachers that I had at Tussey Mt. High School, 1960 to 1966. Back to my POD comment(s).... I remember the picture in the POD book. Boss Tweed was standing in front of a barrel, the words of -- Govt. Corruption, Crooked Politian's, etc.. were the comments coming from the barrel. Some of you may know that Boss Tweed was a famed crook from Chicago. IL. Tweed was well known for his antics as a -- Corrupt Politian and was featured in the POD school book. My Point, we were told to be involved in Govt. at the state & federal levels. To research the govt. candidates prior to voting for them; to throw the bums out if they failed to perform their job in a satisfactory manner. However, we messed up, we did Not Heed the teaching points in POD by Mr. Baddorf. We went to work and left the govt. to run itself (so to speak). Today, our govt. is a train wreck (understatement) and doomed (my feared opinion). Now-a-days, a large number of our elected officials are cut from the same cloth as Boss Tweed. When Politian's spend millions of dollars of their own money to get elected for a $ 250 K annual salary job... you have to know it's a lucrative $$$$$ set up. AveryLast edited by HighFly27; 12-17-2013 at 08:52 AM.** Live Life as If There's No Tomorrow, then, You'll have a Number of Remembrance Smiles as You Prepare to Meet your Maker **Miller(s) 251 w/ Spool Gun 30 A, Big 40, Trailblazer 250 G.; IdealArc 400, SA-200, Classic SA-300, High Freq. Tig., LN-25.
Reply:Originally Posted by HighFly27My Oh My (our Country),Today, our govt. is a train wreck (understatement) and doomed (my feared opinion). Now-a-days, a large number of our elected officials are cut from the same cloth as Boss Tweed. When Politian's spend millions of dollars of their own money to get elected for a $ 250 K annual salary job... you have to know it's a lucrative $$$$$ set up. AveryAmerica's financial woes, lack of job growth, and lack of business expansion is due to welfare, taxes and entitlements. You can add government red-tape and the constant new EPA regulations demanded upon U.S. manufacturers as another major contributing factor to the decline of American prosperity and shrinking middle class.
Reply:Shovelon & All,I use to transport Govt. VIP's from time to time when I was in the military. I can think of only a few times..... where I was Not Lied to in regard to the actual departure time (from scheduled) to return them back to their pick up location. I'd have to call to get permission from my commander to extend my duty day; this was real pain in the butt and happened (nearly) all the time. I learned that they're ... All Pro Govt. Liars, absolutely so.... can't trust a thing they say !I was about six months from retiring and changed the way I did business with these govt. folks. I'd give them the VIP treatment on the outward trip... smooth landing, cabin pressure set to 5,000 feet or so, and temperature at 74 deg. F. If they burnt me on the departure time and I had to call my commander to extend my duty day... I gave then the ride from hell. I'd turn the cabin into a Sauna (very hot) and then into a Meat Locker (ice cold). I'd adjust the cabin pressure down to a altitude of -- 10,000 feet. This meant (10 K) that it was a little harder to breathe but still within acceptable limits, another passenger discomfort. The congressional aid would come forward and say it's too hot or too cold. I'd make an immediate adjustment and go the opposite direction and then back the other way. If we had rough air (turbulence) in the weather forecast but not severe... I'd ask for the rough air altitude. The trip home would be a bumpy ride with the seat belt sign on the entire time... with my apologies about the rough air we were experiencing. When you read my signature block...You'll see my quote about...a Number of Remembrance Smiles, Jacking up Liars in the Govt. is One Big Smile for me. Last edited by HighFly27; 12-17-2013 at 11:22 AM.** Live Life as If There's No Tomorrow, then, You'll have a Number of Remembrance Smiles as You Prepare to Meet your Maker **Miller(s) 251 w/ Spool Gun 30 A, Big 40, Trailblazer 250 G.; IdealArc 400, SA-200, Classic SA-300, High Freq. Tig., LN-25.
Reply:Sounds like ferrying movie stars. No surprise they thought their manure was odorless. Love the inflight ECS "fluctations".
Reply:HighFly,I agree. A politician justifies being a 2 faced liar. Like the old saying "Kissing a baby while stealing their lollipop". I don't care as long as their allegiance is not with special interests, but with their country as a whole. I know, pretty broad statement there. Same with Chinese goods. Literally they will say anything to get a sale, because little do they have to back up their claims. I buy filler rods and wires, and must have test reports go along with them. If the docs are scribbled in hieroglyphics I send them back. One of my customers is a watchdog and expects a handwritten signature. All my alum filler metals are made or drawn in USA, period.Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonAnd then vote themselves a raise. My big pet peeve is our 2 party system nurturing votes with entitlement. Whether it be government jobs on one side or welfare recipients on the other.
Reply:This thread got hijacked. I would have to agree with everything Farmall has said. I meet and know very few people that actually have the smallest grasp as to how our nations economy functions. Or understands even the principles of how a business produces a profit. Our national debt increased so quickly to such an elevated amount because of the "recession". Not Obama or people in the ghettos. The high unemployment and increased unemployment recipients. You occur debt when there are less citizens paying taxes and more drawing benefits. It's very simple. But for some reason a lot of people can't understand facts but rather believe the Facebook posts that have more fabrication than a custom welding table. Why don't our citizens want taxes raised on the higher earners??? The republicans did away with the Estate tax (taxing rich old men who died and left millions to their brat Kim Kardasian children) just so that lower class citizens could take up that slack. Taxes need to be raised, Pay attention on to whom they are raised the CEO's that poison you with Big Mac's or Joe Plumber. If you hate unions and love low paying jobs move to china. Skilled Labor Unions are a good thing. The more money the owners of a pro union mechanical contracting company makes, the more jobs my union gets, and the higher our cost of living raises are every year. I am a union steamfitter and I do have more experience, training, and education than my non union counterpart. I care about my quality and I care about the image that I project as an employee of my contractor. I use my experience and my brain to complete jobs faster and with the highest quality. As far as Chinese quality...... I have performed destructive testing on treated steel material and found that the more expensive steel from the Georgia foundry was made to more exact tolerances and could be formed with no problems. Then the management heard about this great new Chinese steel, it was cheaper.... So we used up the Georgia stock and started using Chinese product. First thing that was noticed was it was almost never cut to the correct tolerances. This was always inconsistent. Random lengths in every batch. Then it started going into the press. One batch bent great (after we cut all the steel to length, which took 10 man hours) the second batch once the press started to form the steel, it would snap in half and crumble...... Next batch perfect.... After that perfect.... Next batch brittle. With inconsistent tolerances in every batch. The added man hours and scrap made it twice as expensive to use an inferior product. Kinda like using a Chinese welder, how long will it last? One $3000 welder is cheaper than 5 $800 welders. Pretty simple math. I have also experienced Italian pipe fittings blowing out. Many times. This is my personal experience.Last edited by RodBender; 12-17-2013 at 10:23 PM.Local 83
Reply:It's Fine to High Jack this Thread !We All have a Genuine Interest in the Our Country's Best Interest, Hopefully, a Better Govt. (in future) Will Rise Up from this No Hope Remaining Regime. However, our current govt. has/ is taking us toward an eventual financial meltdown. It will be a long way back.. if we can recover... a lot of damage has been done (very concerned).Avery** Live Life as If There's No Tomorrow, then, You'll have a Number of Remembrance Smiles as You Prepare to Meet your Maker **Miller(s) 251 w/ Spool Gun 30 A, Big 40, Trailblazer 250 G.; IdealArc 400, SA-200, Classic SA-300, High Freq. Tig., LN-25.
Reply:Why don't our citizens want taxes raised on the higher earners???
Reply:Originally Posted by RodBenderThis thread got hijacked. I would have to agree with everything Farmall has said. I meet and know very few people that actually have the smallest grasp as to how our nations economy functions. Or understands even the principles of how a business produces a profit. Our national debt increased so quickly to such an elevated amount because of the "recession". Not Obama or people in the ghettos. The high unemployment and increased unemployment recipients. You occur debt when there are less citizens paying taxes and more drawing benefits. It's very simple. But for some reason a lot of people can't understand facts but rather believe the Facebook posts that have more fabrication than a custom welding table. Why don't our citizens want taxes raised on the higher earners??? The republicans did away with the Estate tax (taxing rich old men who died and left millions to their brat Kim Kardasian children) just so that lower class citizens could take up that slack. Taxes need to be raised, Pay attention on to whom they are raised the CEO's that poison you with Big Mac's or Joe Plumber. If you hate unions and love low paying jobs move to china. Skilled Labor Unions are a good thing. The more money the owners of a pro union mechanical contracting company makes, the more jobs my union gets, and the higher our cost of living raises are every year. I am a union steamfitter and I do have more experience, training, and education than my non union counterpart. I care about my quality and I care about the image that I project as an employee of my contractor. I use my experience and my brain to complete jobs faster and with the highest quality.
Reply:Originally Posted by RodBenderWhy don't our citizens want taxes raised on the higher earners??? The republicans did away with the Estate tax (taxing rich old men who died and left millions to their brat Kim Kardasian children) just so that lower class citizens could take up that slack. Taxes need to be raised, Pay attention on to whom they are raised the CEO's that poison you with Big Mac's or Joe Plumber.
Reply:Originally Posted by SuperArcKeep paying those union dues my friend.
Reply:Originally Posted by HighFly27I just checked the Forney box and it say's USA, so that's a relief. Avery
Reply:Union dues. It's like what $1150 a year, write it off on taxes. For completely free health care for my entire family, 20k more a year than my good non union friend working in the same city doing the same work, great pension. Slugs and unskilled workers sit on the bench, the good workers get called out by name. I have literally been laid off for 40 collective days total in 7 years. (In the construction industry! Unemployment is way higher in this sector) I don't travel often, and if I do it's a couple hundred miles. Hard work/skill and an education is what's keeps me working.Huge difference between unskilled unions and skilled trade unions. As far as the economical and how the goverment should be run debates, everything changes in a dynamic environment. There is really no right answer. Privatization of business sectors with little to no regulations is a recipe for disaster, Milton Friedman and his Chicago boys chipped away at our economy worse that all the bums in the ghetto. The "Big Bang" in the UK and the resulting years proved that the volitale nature of our unregulated stock market benefits Rhodes with the upper hand. Although if I was a billionaire I would probably spend millions buying politians and makeing propaganda too.Local 83
Reply:Originally Posted by InsanerideI heard theres a place in China called Usa.
Reply:RodBender I don't know about you, but I'm confused why a big time business owner would want to hang around a bunch of low life blue collar workers like us. I know I don't post over on the corporate back stabbing, throat cutting, take advantage of anybody I can to get ahead forum, how about you?Dont pay any attention to meIm just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Originally Posted by RodBenderUnion dues. It's like what $1150 a year, write it off on taxes. For completely free health care for my entire family, 20k more a year than my good non union friend working in the same city doing the same work, great pension. Slugs and unskilled workers sit on the bench, the good workers get called out by name. I have literally been laid off for 40 collective days total in 7 years. (In the construction industry! Unemployment is way higher in this sector) I don't travel often, and if I do it's a couple hundred miles. Hard work/skill and an education is what's keeps me working.Huge difference between unskilled unions and skilled trade unions. As far as the economical and how the goverment should be run debates, everything changes in a dynamic environment. There is really no right answer. Privatization of business sectors with little to no regulations is a recipe for disaster, Milton Friedman and his Chicago boys chipped away at our economy worse that all the bums in the ghetto. The "Big Bang" in the UK and the resulting years proved that the volitale nature of our unregulated stock market benefits Rhodes with the upper hand. Although if I was a billionaire I would probably spend millions buying politians and makeing propaganda too.
Reply:They wouldn't allow me on those forums. The zeros on my paycheck were on the wrong side of the decimal point I don't hate small or even mid sized business owners but when your corporation has ten's of thousands of employees, and the chairmen and CEO have ten's of millions of dollars in stock and their 3rd house's pool house has 3x's as many toilets as my family's home, I am not particularly inclined to defend them. I live next to a well off owner of a car dealership. It is a rather large one here in Nebraska. Well any way he is a great neighbor. His home literally blankets mine in a shadow half the day. But he worked hard to get to where he is. Of course he has been vocal about his family being tremendous help. Well any way he told me his secret. This is an actual quote "Every person who has ever walked on to the lot I or my sales men have done every single thing we can to rip them off and send them out smiling. I can buy a used car that was repoed for penny's on the dollar and sell it for full price.... I tell them that they are getting the "friend" deal and the company will take a hit.... So they walk out smiling and we cleared overhead, surpluses a large profit, and plenty to reinvest into the company. I am a success because I get as much as I can, from as many people as I can. Private dealer auctions, and no one to try and regulate my profit."Local 83
Reply:Every person who has ever walked on to the lot I or my sales men have done every single thing we can to rip them off and send them out smiling. I can buy a used car that was repoed for penny's on the dollar and sell it for full price.... I tell them that they are getting the "friend" deal and the company will take a hit.... So they walk out smiling and we cleared overhead, surpluses a large profit, and plenty to reinvest into the company. I am a success because I get as much as I can, from as many people as I can. Private dealer auctions, and no one to try and regulate my profit." i do not believe this was ever said to you by the owner of a large car dealership, it is a total fabrication on your part. i think that if you did have a conversation with the dealership owner it was probably about doing a better job trimming the hedges.now, if you happened to be drinking at an area bar and you ran into an F&I guy that had had a little too much to drink you might have heard something like that but even then i doubt it; he would spend a couple of minutes listening to you and probably move down a couple of stools; or ask the bartender to remove you from the establishment.
Reply:^ I bet you tip your car salesman an extra $1000 for being such a swell guy. Oh and make sure you pay extra for your snuggy at Walmart! I heard they aren't raping you with every sale. Of course I didn't have a recorder on me and I can't memorize what he said exactly but this is the jist of it. He was a drinks deep when the conversation came up, but it is true and we are good buddy's. This is a fact, my neighbor owns a large car lot in Blaire. Losing money on every sale by being a super guy doesn't put hundreds of cars on a lot. People who are very successful don't make money being your best buddy. A regular car sales man that is just "good" makes $60k a year or more. Or if the aren't "good" 20k, maybe more. The ones that make the sales bring you sodas and laughs extra hard at evet joke. Because they are your best buddies! no other motivation. And I bought my wife's SUV and my truck from another dealership. He laughed at the price and said an old lady must have driven my diesel to church every week.Last edited by RodBender; 12-19-2013 at 02:37 PM.Local 83
Reply:I beleive your story rodbender. The car dealer here in NV made me buy my current truck.
Reply:^ thank youAnother good true story that I heard while trimming the hedges of a lawyer or a doctor, it could have been a janitor. Hypothetically if the Owner of a pawn shop buys a new Miller Dynasty from a crack head for $500....... By some of your logic the said owner would in turn, sell it for $650 netting them a meek 3% profit and barely covering overhead. Wow it's like I am sitting in a business class listening to a lecture. And that is how jobs are createdLocal 83
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPGood advice! Friend of mine just retired, 55-years old, $6,500.00 a month from the operating engineers.
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Reply:what on earth lasts forever? i'll leave the getting us into and out of recessions to the larger intellects. i worked hard and saved my money. i'm looking to put my time in (42 years to date) and enjoy what time i have left.i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla
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