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Hey guys I'm just wondering where have you heard the money is being made in Canada since the pipeline slowed down. I work production right now and honestly I'm sick of it. But I'm wondering where I can go to make some good money right now I'm at about 25.5$ and I'm 25 years old I just need to get a good boost.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkif you can step across it I can weld it.
Reply:well, don't bother with the southern BC interior. it's pretty much a graveyard for welding right now. there are a few jobs in the fraser valley, but nothing that I've seen that pays that. good luck in your search.
Reply:Southern Ont is warming up.
Reply:I'm in Manitoba and anywhere you look for postings it's employment firms.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkif you can step across it I can weld it.
Reply:What I see often in Manitoba is they want 5 yrs experience, CWB certification and only offer $18-$22/ hr. When you pay peanuts, you get monkeys. If you want to make real money and don't mind traveling, you need red seal status and be in one of the construction unions.JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Reply:I'm working on my red seal right now, I have my application to challenge being processed. In the mean time I'm studying from the modules I purchased from cwb aswell as well the text book "metals and how to weld them" from the jfl foundation.The end game is I want to make enough to start a business and go out on my own. So far this production job has been my only one but we have a few red seal that I talk to and try to pick their brains.I have gone to a technical training school, so I do have experience welding numerous positions and processes but for the most part you are right mig monkey seems to be the correct term in this situation.I currently work for a place that does not require cwb, and takes a lot of green horns. But as of right now I'm 5 years work experience 1 year of school and prior to school 4 years in high schools additionally I taught at that same high school as a student teacher for about year volunteer time.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkif you can step across it I can weld it.
Reply:Depends on qualifications, and caliber of work your applying for. The more skills required the more you get paid. Iam also in Manitoba sitting at 46$ an hr with full benefits.
Reply:Heck sign me up for that I don't even know who would pay that in ManitobaSent from my iPhone using Tapatalkif you can step across it I can weld it.
Reply:Iam a Thermal pressure welder for hydro, but I also know Koch fertilizer, canexus chemicals in Brandon pay 45$ an hr, ethanol plant in minnedosa pays well. However these are all positions that require extensive experience on exotic alloy high pressure pipe. Hastalloy, chrome, inconel, stainless etcLast edited by Pressure_Welder; 06-12-2015 at 09:20 PM.
Reply:I've applied with hydro and they never seem to hire and I never hear of people getting on.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkif you can step across it I can weld it.
Reply:Ya we don't hire too often.. We have roughly 20 welders in the system and only hire based on retirements
Reply:That's unfortunate any other places you know of that have wages like that?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkif you can step across it I can weld it.
Reply:The construction unions. Millwrights, electricians, pipe fitters, boilermakers, ironworkers.. They all have welders are are all paid well. Some offer other apprenticeships as well.Last edited by snoeproe; 06-12-2015 at 10:08 PM.JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Reply:Originally Posted by snoeproeThe construction unions. Millwrights, electricians, pipe fitters, boilermakers, ironworkers.. They all have welders are are all paid well. Some offer other apprenticeships as well.
Reply:move out here to alberta. lots of maintenance work going on from what I hear and most jobs are starting off at 40 an hour union and non union
Reply:Isn't cost of living a bit much? And there doesn't seem to be anymore fly in and out job sites.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkif you can step across it I can weld it.
Reply:Originally Posted by hydeIsn't cost of living a bit much? And there doesn't seem to be anymore fly in and out job sites.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:Interesting. I've been looking over the idea of bouncing around from maintenance to structural to pipe just learning as much as possible.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkif you can step across it I can weld it.
Reply:Originally Posted by hydeInteresting. I've been looking over the idea of bouncing around from maintenance to structural to pipe just learning as much as possible.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:Maybe I was looking into maybe purchasing a smaller inverter tig to make some side cash I have a somewhat free little shop to work out of and tools I would just have to make that first initial large purchase. I do have a Lincoln 140c but that's about it.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkif you can step across it I can weld it.
Reply:If you're having trouble just finding a job, how do you expect to get work if you go out on your own? $25/hr is a lot better than nothing and you need pressure tickets and some experience if you want to make 40/hr. Alberta is REALLY slow right now with the low price of oil. Everybody and their dog is a welder in Alberta so any jobs that come along are going to have a lot of applicants. You also have to have a Red Seal ticket but in Alberta shops usually require you to get Alberta qualifications. You can't get your Red Seal ticket until you have your journeyman ticket. I got my Red Seal at the same time as my Journeyman ticket because the test was given during my last year of apprenticeship. It was strictly a theory test and basically the same test as the journeyman theory but 50 more questions.
Reply:Hmm well in Manitoba you can skip the journeyman and go straight to red seal because I haven't heard boo about that yet. As for me having a hard time finding a job I'm not it was a question in general because I haven't heard anything since the pipeline slowed down. I don't just leave a job without a plan I have one and that's why I'm doing research so I don't take a step in the wrong direction. I would hope that would come off as intelligence rather then ignorance.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkif you can step across it I can weld it.
Reply:How can you have a Red Seal ticket and not be a Journeyman? I posted some info I found in a quick search online. Perhaps if someone is sending you info on taking a Red Seal test, they have assumed you already have your Journeyman ticket? You can't (aren't supposed to) work as a welder in Alberta without being either a registered apprentice or Licensed Journeyman. If you come from another province you can challenge some of the tests but you'll still need to have proof of your hours and experience in the trade. Pipelining is almost like a whole other trade in itself and you have to start at the bottom and prove yourself before you can make the big bucks. You're still young and have time though. Be a little patient. http://classroom.synonym.com/canadia...seal-2531.html
Reply:You would be right in that, I'm from Manitoba and for us we need 7200hrs and a minimum of 4 1/2 years work experience also at time of application I believe you have to hold atleast one cwb. I know Alberta is different it's a compulsory trade. I've done my home work and I'm doing more I know I'm young but that's why I'm trying to get this experience kinda sick of the vets shooting the young generation down when we are trying to make the effort to learn.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkif you can step across it I can weld it.
Reply:Here's a small raise, in Beautiful BC!https://www.workbc.ca/JobSeekers/Dis...x?jobid=227298SqWave 200Millermatic 190Airco 200 ACHypertherm PM45Boice-Crane Band SawVictor O/AManitoba is 4800 hourx , all position smaw,  flat and horizontal gmaw and mcaw/fcaw  cwb required to challenge. You get journeyman status upon passing red seal test.
Reply:Originally Posted by BrazinHere's a small raise, in Beautiful BC!https://www.workbc.ca/JobSeekers/Dis...x?jobid=227298
Reply:Originally Posted by hydeIsn't cost of living a bit much? And there doesn't seem to be anymore fly in and out job sites.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:Originally Posted by K6090Yeah, but that needs to be $57 hr if you ever want to own a house out there. Insane...
Reply:Originally Posted by iongarManitoba is 4800 hourx , all position smaw,  flat and horizontal gmaw and mcaw/fcaw  cwb required to challenge. You get journeyman status upon passing red seal test.
Reply:They definitely recognize red seals from manitoba
Reply:Manitoba red seal test is both written and practical150ish multiple choice questions from metallurgy to blueprinting to welding theoryPractical is basically 8 cwb tickets and a torch test. You can pick from smaw gmaw and fcaw/mcaw you do one of the processes all position and the other two are flat and horizontal the alternative is you can do a single 6g pipe test.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkif you can step across it I can weld it.
Reply:Also the apprenticeship is the same as alberta, exact same text books
Reply:So CWB must have made some kind of deal with the Red Seal qualifications? CWB has some weird rules. You can do the exact same test in your apprenticeship but the CWB doesn't recognize it so you have to pay your $100 (or what ever it is now) to the CWB to do the same weld over again to get your CWB cert. Welding is a compulsory trade in Alberta but if you're an Ironworker, you have different rules. If an Ironworker apprentice passes a CWB test(s) he's allowed to weld structural and doesn't have to be an apprentice welder or have any other welder training or qualifications but a Journeyman welder or even a B pressure welder with considerable experience can't weld structural unless they have a CWB ticket(s). NAIT in Alberta has set up welder training all over the world. In fact they are the only welding training school to be registered with Lloyds of London. Maybe the Red Seal requirements are now standardized to follow Alberta's requirements? I know in the past that some provinces standards weren't very high.
Reply:I'll be taking my CWB all position SMAW July 2nd, there are no prerequisites, just show up and weld 4 coupons, for a mere $600! I have enough hours for the Red Seal challenge, but I'd have to include self-employed time. Apparently that hurts your chances, so I'll probably just keep stacking ROE's for another year. I wanted to challenge the Foundation program and start attending school, but they changed the rules just before I was ready, now it's all or nothing. Probably would have been faster to just pony up the cash and time, and try not to look bored as they teach me which way to push a file.SqWave 200Millermatic 190Airco 200 ACHypertherm PM45Boice-Crane Band SawVictor O/A
Reply:I know that Saskatchewan and manitoba both have gotten rid of their own standards and just use albertas for welding apprenticeships. Makes it a lot easier to work and get jobs. And yes all red seal is standardized with alberta. At least in Saskatchewan and manitoba
Reply:The Red Seal exam in Canada is comprised of questions from all over the country.  Every few years the head instructors from all across the country get together and put forward new questions for the exam to a committee for the Red Seal.  So you have instructors from the east coast right to the west coast with involvement.  This is what I have been told anyways.  Where the exam is country wide it has to account for the different welding across the country whether its manufacturing (Ontario) offshore (NL) or onshore oil and gas.   It has questions on rigging, print reading, forklift operation.  Its not just welding...Here in Newfoundland you must pass the practical portion before you go on to write the Red Seal.  The start of your test day will be meeting the 3 welding inspectors who will pass or fail you. NL's practical portion consists of a 6 inch pipe, 6G, with 7018 root, fill passes and cap  (bend tested to asme specs).4 inch 5 G pipe tig root, 7018 fill/cap (bend tested asme specs)flux cored cwb plate in 2 G (Side bends to cwb spec)Mig T joint 1/8 plate one side overhead the other vert down  (this one is a joke)And lastly a cut test where you bevel plate, cut triangles, circles, pierce 3/4" holes etcAll coupons are cut and cleaned up by you and you have 8 hours to do all the welding and prepping of coupons.  There is no written portion of the NL journeyman exam they consider the Red Seal the written portion as far as I know.As for you Hyde if you cant find work out west see what you can find here in NL.   I have worked with people from Ontario, Quebec, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick all pretty recently but they were all union.  Its really too bad you are not union.  The Long Harbour Nickel plant is way behind,  and so is Hebron.   I hear the top sides for the rig will be coming in only 70 % complete from South Korea.  They were supposed to have it finished 100% last year but have fallen behind.  So there should be lots of structural work for the Iron Workers and Pipe work for us pipe guys.   When the top sides came over for Hibernia from South Korea a lot of it had to be gouged apart and re welded same thing with the White Rose FPSO and the Terra Nova FPSO from what I'm told.  There is also another rig that is to be started in a year or so.  That along with the oil discovery by Statoil back in 2013 which they will most likely build a rig for we should be good here for a little while.Last edited by Newfie_1986; 06-14-2015 at 08:53 AM.Journeyman / Red Seal Welder (What a useless test)Miller CST 280Miller XMT 350Miller 12vs XtremeEvolution Evo 28 mag drillEvolution 380 Dry Cut saw
Reply:The inter provincial Jman tickets from other provinces are recognized in Alberta. The red seal is the new Jman ticket that's recognized Canada wide. Red seal is just not required in all provinces across Canada like Ontario but that's slowly changing thanks to provinces like Alberta.JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Reply:In NB, the community college and private colleges in my area all use the Alberta curriculum but our curriculum is not recognized in Alberta at least not the private college I attended. If I was to start my apprenticeship in Alberta I would have to pass my Block 1 exam all over again. I was told a Journeymen in one province is not recognized in another that is why they created the Red Seal program. Just a money and political racket.Lincoln 210 MPVictor Cutmaster 42
Reply:Originally Posted by snoeproeThe inter provincial Jman tickets from other provinces are recognized in Alberta. The red seal is the new Jman ticket that's recognized Canada wide. Red seal is just not required in all provinces across Canada like Ontario but that's slowly changing thanks to provinces like Alberta.
Reply:Originally Posted by Ti TruckerIn NB, the community college and private colleges in my area all use the Alberta curriculum but our curriculum is not recognized in Alberta at least not the private college I attended. If I was to start my apprenticeship in Alberta I would have to pass my Block 1 exam all over again. I was told a Journeymen in one province is not recognized in another that is why they created the Red Seal program. Just a money and political racket.
Reply:The older interprovincial tickets don't have the red seal on them. The red seal was a separate plaque.The red seal is just a written exam in my province. It doesn't make ones skills any better in my opinion. It does ensure ones theory is good however.Last edited by snoeproe; 06-14-2015 at 10:21 PM.JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Reply:I got my Alberta journeyman ticket in 1987 and it has the Interprovincial Red Seal stamp on the back. I also got a separate Alberta Apprenticeship ticket and it has the Red Seal stamp on the back as well. The Red Seal test was all theory. It was basically the same test as the NAIT test but 50 more questions. It was multiple choice but some of the answers were very close. I got 89% on the NAIT test and 91% on the Red Seal. I got the 10 questions on TIG correct but questioned one of them. It asked, "What is the purpose of keeping the shielding gas flowing after completing the weld"? There were 2 answers that were correct. 1 was keep to impurities out of the weld till it cooled enough and the other was protect the tungsten from getting contaminated while it was hot. I picked to keep impurities out of the weld but I didn't think the other answer was wrong either. They suggested maybe I read the question wrong but were going to look at it and see. I don't know if they ever did or not though.
Reply:That question is actually still in the study module and the answer key states to protect the weld puddle I was thrown off by that too because I thought the same I'll just go by what the book says. I've been studying the books taking the tests if I fail I re read the chapter. Plan is to get a friend to make a test up with an answer key out of existing questions from the modules.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkif you can step across it I can weld it.
Reply:That question should be worded different or there should be an answer that both are correct. If the weld was finished could imply it was cooled off.
Reply:If you wAnt to make good money welding, join a union.  I'm a Red Seal welder and Steamfitter in Ontario.  90 % of the money I've made in My career has been welding.  The harder the job the more money you make......  I've always found employment in my home province and didn't have to travel outside of province.......so what I know only applies to Ontario.  I've worked in a lot of different industries pipeline, food, refinery, and nuclear.  Nuclear is by far the hardest, and highest paying........picture wearing a double plastic suit with 5 pairs of gloves on, in a highly radioactive environment, try to do a x-Ray weld, with fit-up checks and a visual on every pass, oh I forgot to mention, you need a mirror to do the bottom........  The only sense you have is sight.  No touch, hearing, smell....... becuase of the suit you have to wear.Bottom line join a Union........pipefitters, iron workers, boilermakers.........Interprovincial RedSeal Welder and SteamfitterMiller Maxstar STL 110vMiller Blue Star DX 185Lincoln 180