What is this piece of metal called please

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I saw this piece laying on the ground at the service station where I had a tire repaired. I don't speak Spanish well and they didn't speak English hardly at all but I did catch they said it came off a big truck and was part of the wheel. ----I'd like to know what this corrugated looking part is called so I can try and find one to buy. I've got an idea for how to put it to use. --Thank you in advance if you know what it is.MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:Spacer band for dual wheels on a truck.http://www.accuridewheelendsolutions...ther-products/"USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA  Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:Ahhh.... thank you Notsooldordum. Love it. Want one really really bad!!!MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:That's something you'll have to locate either at a junk yard that specializes in heavy trucks, or a shop that does heavy truck repairs or does heavy truck tires..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Truckers use those to make Bundt cakes while they are on the road.  Pour the dough in and after a bit of hard downhill braking you have a cake."USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA  Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:Originally Posted by OldendumTruckers use those to make Bundt cakes while they are on the road.  Pour the dough in and after a bit of hard downhill braking you have a cake.
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55LOL   Good one.With gravel frosting at that.
Reply:It must be slap happy Friday. My MIL was here with me and she took one look at it and said it's a fluted inner flan ring big enough to make caramelized custard for an entire quinceañera party.MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:Originally Posted by Equilibrium... caramelized custard ....
Reply:Dayton wheel spacer, they come in diffrent diameters and widths. Some are just smooth with a rolled lip and than the corrugated looking one like you have there. A lot of times they rust away to almost nothing. If you have a Pomps tire nearby, they would probably have some.
Reply:Tire dealers selling truck tires will have piles of them. I think I can scrounge up a couple if you can't find them locally.An optimist is usually wrong, and when the unexpected happens is unprepared. A pessimist is usually right, when wrong, is delighted, and well prepared.
Reply:Looks like it would make a cool fire ring...maybe stack a couple together for a fire pit liner?
Reply:M J D> A Pomps Tire? Never heard of it before but I'll be on the lookout when I'm up in WI. Did you by any chance go to the Jefferson Fall Classic Auto Show and Swap this weekend? Just curious. I found an anvil I wanted but the man wouldn't budge an inch on the price so I walked away. --Willie B> I'm going to look around. I found a truck stop that has a mechanic on site and they sell tires so I'm crossing my fingers they'll have the corrugated style I'm lusting for. I was told to stop back next week and they'd look around for me. Problem around here is the scrappers seem to have long standing relationships with the businesses I've stopped in by and they're not willing to take anything out of the piles they've set aside for them... not even one little spacer band.... boo hoo. It's a project for next year so I've got time on my side. THANK YOU so much for the offer. I'll definitely let you know if I come up empty handed.--fasteddy> I didn't have a fire ring in mind but that's a definite possibility. I feed the vultures that visit my property. I used to have an elevated feeding platform for them but it tipped over this year.... the ground was really soggy where I had it and the wood rotted and finally gave way. I'd like to replace it and was thinking a spacer band could be used as a base for a feeding tray.  I also have several ground nesting species of birds that frequent my yard so another possibility is a base for a ground waterer. My kildeers would like that and it would keep them out of my driveway. There's a low spot where water pools and they bring their young to it.MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:I haven't been to Jefferson in many years. Google Pomps tire and look up locations, they have many Illinois locations, waukegan, Springfield and East Moline plus many more. Truck shops may have them also, look for a place that works on older more " junky" trucks and trailers, since they really haven't been used on much in the last 20 years.
Reply:Here are a few more pieces of metal I'd like identified please. First up being these pieces that remind me of staircase spindles-----Next up being these round metal pieces-----And these cup type things with a center hole and four smaller holes-----M J D>Jefferson was fun albeit quite dusty and hot as the day wore on. It was like being in a candy store the size of Gurnee Mills. So many interesting pieces of metal. I walked around the swap portion of the event for over 6 hours and still didn't make it to every booth. --Waukegan can't be more than 20 miles away from me. I'll definitely take a trip over there looking for a Pomps.MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:Originally Posted by EquilibriumHere are a few more pieces of metal I'd like identified please. First up being these pieces that remind me of staircase spindles-----Next up being these round metal pieces-----And these cup type things with a center hole and four smaller holes-----M J D>Jefferson was fun albeit quite dusty and hot as the day wore on. It was like being in a candy store the size of Gurnee Mills. So many interesting pieces of metal. I walked around the swap portion of the event for over 6 hours and still didn't make it to every booth. --Waukegan can't be more than 20 miles away from me. I'll definitely take a trip over there looking for a Pomps.
Reply:Round things are tap wrenches used to hold the older style round tap dies for threading bolts and cleaning up male threads.Last ones are old V belt pulleys from an older engine. Back when cars had multiple belts running from the crank shaft to the alternator, a/c compressor, power steering pump etc. Some had single V groove, some had 2 or 3. I think I scrapped all the old ones I had when I moved, but I'll try and remember to add it to the list of stuff to search in the garage for and see if I saved any of them from my old Dodge..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Since the first and third photo items have been ID'ed for you, the second ones that are star shaped are for chain drive type farm equipment/implement. The kind that are driven by a chain from one of the wheels as it is pulled. It is designed to drive the machinery in one direction ONLY. If it needs to be backed(the implement), it just ratchets on the center hub portion, with out trying to drive the machinery backwards. Not sure of the exact nomenclature for it though. But that's what it is made/designed for. Farmer Samm could probably tell you for sure, and tell you the make and model of what it fits on and the years it was produced, as they were generally found on hay baling equipment.Haven't seen anything from Samm lately, hope he's OK, just busy bringing in hay and getting his girls set up for winter. Attached Images
Reply:If I'm not mistaken the deep dish pulleys are for adapting engines to hydraulic pumps for snowplows. In the pre internet days I searched long and hard to find one of these to fit a 360 AMC engine in a Jeep Pickup, only to learn they bought their crankshafts from Chrysler. Knowing that fact would have saved many phone calls.An optimist is usually wrong, and when the unexpected happens is unprepared. A pessimist is usually right, when wrong, is delighted, and well prepared.
Reply:The ones in the second pic are as described by Bistenru. They are spring loaded and also serve as a slip clutch. Ground driven equipment like old manure spreaders used these since the result of the beaters turning backwards would not be good. I believe older hay rakes and planters used something similar as well.
Reply:Originally Posted by BistineauSince the first and third photo items have been ID'ed for you, the second ones that are star shaped are for chain drive type farm equipment/implement. The kind that are driven by a chain from one of the wheels as it is pulled. It is designed to drive the machinery in one direction ONLY. If it needs to be backed(the implement), it just ratchets on the center hub portion, with out trying to drive the machinery backwards. Not sure of the exact nomenclature for it though. But that's what it is made/designed for. Farmer Samm could probably tell you for sure, and tell you the make and model of what it fits on and the years it was produced, as they were generally found on hay baling equipment.Haven't seen anything from Samm lately, hope he's OK, just busy bringing in hay and getting his girls set up for winter.
Reply:Newer trucks seem to be equipped with Budd wheels. They have a flat surface that has holes matching studs in the hub. These don't need the corrugated spacer rings. The older wheels with nothing in the center fit over a big cast "spider" with fittings to fit on the studs, and clamp the rim are the ones needing wheel spacers. I have had to change these to correctly fit wheels of differing width. My truck is a 1976 Chevy C65.An optimist is usually wrong, and when the unexpected happens is unprepared. A pessimist is usually right, when wrong, is delighted, and well prepared.
Reply:The gears look very similar to the drive gears on the old IHC seed drills... something like a 140 double disc or a 150 hoe drill, but they used them for years. Check with ag scrappers because they will be very expensive from Case/IH. I'm not sure if you were asking about the gears or the round discs though. The smaller round discs appear to be deformed frost plugs from a large diesel engine. Those shouldn't be really expensive and would be available new from anyone that rebuilds diesel engines.250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
Reply:Originally Posted by EquilibriumI feed the vultures that visit my property.
Reply:Thanks guys. I did some image searches and the closest matches to the third photo of metal "cups" was when I input deep + crank + driver + pulley, https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/...hspart=mozilla.--The 1st photo came up with lots of image matches when searching for vintage + tap + wrench. --2nd photo is tough, I'm not really coming up with any matches regardless of what words I put in the search engine be it slip or sprocket + clutch. I'm thinking these  are going to be tough to get my hands on unless I see them at estate sales or farm auctions. --whtbaron> Fresh out of ag scrappers where I am but I can certainly check around for them next time I drive down to Southern IL. I did an image search for frost plugs and freeze plugs and those look like they would make really great candle cups. --Kelvin> “Soooooo...what do you feed them?” Vultures are carrion eaters…. they’re part of our “natural” clean-up crew.  They won’t eat an animal unless it’s already dead.  Small road kill like raccoons and opossums are good to feed them and plentiful here where most take the speed limit and add 10 to 15. Cats killed by stray dogs and coyotes are fine too.  Whatever is already dead and can be lifted above head to the platform works. I can’t speak for others but I toss any of my chickens that die from hawk attacks up onto the platform too. When I’ve had meat birds processed in the past, I’d toss the packaged chicken gizzards and livers up onto the platform for my vultures also. Same thing with turkey carcasses when we’re done cooking and eating them…. up they go onto the platform for the vultures to pick clean. There are several of us who provide feeding platforms in the area. Mostly for the same reasons I erected mine…. some motorists see vultures feeding on our roads and will actually speed up in an attempt to kill them.  Others will shoot them while they are feeding. Vultures are “neat” eaters…. they stay in one place until they’ve had their fill so they’re basically sitting ducks feeding on public roads around here. --A spacer band would make a nice base for an old satellite dish. Either that or it could be used as a lip to contain their food so it didn't slip off the platform in heavy rains.  Our vultures will be migrating south soon. I've got plenty of time to figure something out for next spring when they return. --Sky burials are considerably more environmentally friendly than pickling (embalming fluids) or incinerating our dearly departed. For what it’s worth, I see nothing wrong with sky burials for humans or our pets and that would include sociopaths like Jeffrey Dahmer but... to each his own.MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le GuinOriginally Posted by KelvinSoooooo...what do you feed them?
Reply:A fire arm works and I'm certainly not opposed to ordinary people carrying them. We have a new dog and a new puppy that's growing up fast. Here's another option since dog food is so darn expensive these days---MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:I enjoyed the remarks from people not totally agreeing that this is a true statement!"Bottom picture is automotive front accessory drive pulleys, you could find a ton of those really cheap at any junkyard."It just dates them on the vintage of vehicles they own!Actually I'm surprised your husband didn't tell you what the pulleys are.I didn't make Jefferson as I had Company on Saturday but did make Elkhorn Flea Market on Sunday.Did you make the Walworth County Fair this year?
Reply:'' Actually I'm surprised your husband didn't tell you what the pulleys are.''I bet the poor guy was in shock from all the stuff that she bought. He's probably still shakin and may have to indulge in intoxicating beverages to regain his sanity .
Reply:I never asked him. He was over on the other side looking at cars while I was running around booth to booth fondling steel goodies. I only called him on the phone to meet me once and that was because I ran out of $$$. He asked me how many trips I'd made back to the Jeep emptying the little red wagon and I told him only once so far. He laughed, gave me more $$$, then went back to the car show. I'll ask him what the pulleys are and post back what he says. --Was thinking about going to the Wilmot flea market on Sunday to look for an anvil but ended up torching weeds most of the day while he cut down a few more dead ash trees.  --Unfortunately we didn't make it to Walworth this year.... wanted to go on the day you'd be in the tractor pull contest but it just didn't work for us. That was the only week & weekend I could get together with the boys when he'd could stay home to take care of critters. We went to the Shawnee National Forest. It was in the 90's and humid the entire trip although the area was beautiful and we covered a lot of ground.adding something...BD1> I'm still putting all the "stuff" I bought away today. I'm really trying to cram it in the garage so I don't have to haul it up into the kids' treehouse. He wasn't in shock.... more amused.Last edited by Equilibrium; 09-28-2015 at 06:34 PM.Reason: adding something....MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:Oh bother... I forgot the photo of my goodies and my prize piece.----This is my treasure of the year... I have no idea what I'm going to do with it but... I'll think of something-----MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:Get the air horns working again.Here's some nice old Nathan P3 train horns in action:"USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA  Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:drujinin> He says they're water pump pulleys and he mentioned a few older makes and models of vehicles he believed they might have been pulled from. --Notsooldordum> Seriously? My husband did comment about those when we got home and saw me taking photos of them. He asked me what I wanted with old truck horns. So... he was mistaken.... my treasure really is a treasure!!! How cool is that. If there's a museum out there you know of in need of this part for a train restoration... I'd part with it as a donation.  If not... I'm going to use it for something. I just don't know what yet. Maybe another floral arrangement?MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:Those horns look too small to be train horns. Need a picture with something for size reference to determine how big they are, but I suspect they are truck air horns, not train.Never mind, I see them next to the blue wagon. They are definitely NOT train horns, but truck horns. If you get them working and hook an air line to them you could make something fun out of them.Last edited by Bistineau; 09-28-2015 at 08:28 PM.
Reply:"Train horns" are often a generic term for any sort of air horn. Some near the sea will also refer to them as "fog" horns for the same reason. I'd also guess they are from a truck, but I'd have to look closer at them.The guy who used to live in our house on base had a diving claxon from an old diesel sub he glomed somewhere he'd been stationed in the past. The real "Ah OOOGA!, Ah OOOGA!" horns you always here before they yell "DIVE! DIVE!" in the old WWII sub movies. I'd love one of those or one of the old General Quarters  or collision claxons off a ship..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:The owner of the International Tractor dealership in town was deaf. He insisted on a doorbell he could hear. We worked our way up, trying ever louder bells. Finally used a claxon. His wife somewhat hard of hearing herself, made us remove it.An optimist is usually wrong, and when the unexpected happens is unprepared. A pessimist is usually right, when wrong, is delighted, and well prepared.
Reply:They are not air horns, probably 6 volt vibrating diaphragm truck horns. I have a couple sets of them. Even sand blasted and painted up a set to put on the roof of an old 3/4 FORD, I used to drive. If they are any good, they are LOUD!Actually did well in the Tractor Pulls this year! Took 3rd in 5000lb and 5th in 7500lb Classes. Still fantasizing to do some "serious" engine work this winter!
Reply:Love the horns... I've got a single one on an old truck that I'm hoping will make it's way to a speedster project some day. At this point I'm still accumulating parts.250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
Reply:Originally Posted by Equilibrium They won’t eat an animal unless it’s already dead.
Reply:Originally Posted by Equilibriumdrujinin> He says they're water pump pulleys and he mentioned a few older makes and models of vehicles he believed they might have been pulled from. --Notsooldordum> Seriously? My husband did comment about those when we got home and saw me taking photos of them. He asked me what I wanted with old truck horns. So... he was mistaken.... my treasure really is a treasure!!! How cool is that. If there's a museum out there you know of in need of this part for a train restoration... I'd part with it as a donation.  If not... I'm going to use it for something. I just don't know what yet. Maybe another floral arrangement?
Reply:bent> You are so spot on!!! I keep forgetting that other parts of the country have black vultures while we've only got turkey vultures up this far north. Turkey vultures have been known to eat critters that are downed and not long for this world although they'll choose fresh carrion when provided with a choice... I guess it depends on the resources in the area. If they're going to eat something that's barely clinging to life.... it's going to be when they have a hungry nestling or two or toward the end of the season when they need energy to migrate south. Turkey vultures rarely go after anything moving unless they're starving or their young are starving. Black vultures on the other hand.... are more like bald eagles.... they're opportunists. Black vultures will definitely eat critters that are downed and they routinely go after live chickens and turkeys. --weldrj> Yes, I did an image search and several sets of horns that looked exactly like what I bought popped up. I also did an image search for water pump pulleys and sure enough.... images showed up of what I'd photographed. I'm going to keep the horns. I bought them because I liked them even though I still have no clue what to do with them.MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:Originally Posted by Equilibrium. --weldrj> Yes, I did an image search and several sets of horns that looked exactly like what I bought popped up.  I'm going to keep the horns. I bought them because I liked them even though I still have no clue what to do with them.
Reply:I hate to admit it but... my thoughts were to buy more truck horns and make a large drooping trumpet floral arrangement out of them. I know.... I know... I probably shouldn't be chopping up a nice set of horns but... their value to me is what I paid for them so I could "play".MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:How about a trumpet flower and a giant hummingbird?"USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA  Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:LOL! Cut them up! All can not be saved for their original purpose! There will always be more horns at the flea market!
Reply:Notsooldordum> Brugmansia is exactly what I was considering, http://www.lynandmalc.co.uk/genus/Br...no%20name.html. Will need to buy a few more sets of horns. Dunno about giant hummingbirds though... might be a tad bit out of my current skill set given I'm still trying to figure out how to make a small hummingbird. --drujinin> I can't wait to cut them!! I even found ideas online for the domes.... a base for flying sparkplug bees or possibly a base for a spigot handle flowers.  ----MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:The flowers out of valve handles is really easy. The leaves are tubing cut length wise at a slight angle with a grinder and cutting disc. The humming bird is fairly easy and within your skill set, I would bet. I made one out of 3/4 solid square bar. I cut it with a torch, both in profile and top to bottom. I ground it to shape and put wings on it. The flower is made from scrap sheet and an old tire iron. I've probably made a dozen so far. Attached Images
Reply:Time to play the 'What Is This Piece of Metal' game again. I bought this at a garage sale for $1. I'll probably end up using it in the end table I'm starting but would like to know what it is before I do.------Bob> Thanks for this tip, "The leaves are tubing cut length wise at a slight angle with a grinder and cutting disc." I like the look of the slender leaves with the valve handle flowers better than what I had been experimenting with.--I wonder if a RR spike is large enough to try making a hummer out of? They're solid. It remains to be seen whether this is in my skillset or not.... time will tell. If I can use RR spikes, I'll have enough to botch and still be able to try again and... again... and again. MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:That may be hog nose ring pliers. One jaw looks grooved, is the other grooved as well?I used 3/4" for the hummers and I really think it is in your skill set. Most of this stuff isn't hard after you figure it out.
Reply:I have been gathering odds and ends for a small round end table I'm just now beginning to work on and sure enough.... there's a rusty old pair of pliers in my stash that matches your description of hog nose ring pliers. The tool I photographed above is not grooved on both ends though. Only one end is grooved. The other end fits neatly inside the groove when the tool is closed. I'll try to take a better photo of it later on. --Went to Waukegan Steel to check their drops looking for 3/4" or 1" and they had nothing. There's one more place I can check that's within a reasonable driving distance and I'll do that this coming week. It's 28° outside right now. Incredibly, it's supposed to snow tomorrow morning. No major accumulations... just flurries but that's awfully early in the year for snow and most unfortunately may be signaling the end of a welding season for me unless it warms up a little bit since I weld outside in an unheated barn. Here's hoping I find what I need for a hummer quick fast and here's also hoping we get a stretch of warmer temps so I can try my hand at making one.MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin