6010 and 110volt machines?

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Posting this here because I didn't want to hijack the  6010 whip and pause problems with Everlast PA200st Thread I was looking at a fellows thread about running 6010 on 110v, I kind of put my foot in my mouth when I mentioned welding stick on 110v is a pita. Since I live on the other side of the wall from my shop I decided to plug my syncro to 110v for the first time and give stick welding a try. I pulled out some 6010 and welded on 1/8th mild steel angle, my rods are radnor, I know a lot of people hate the stuff but I never had any problems with it.  Anyways I tried different amps and then I tried long arcing , whip-pause , back-forth and cursive e no pause. This was just a test nothing special, I am happy that it can lay rod on 110v even using a crappy extension cord (14ga), Long arcing the rod at or above 1/2" didn't stop the flow either just a ton of spatter. What was really shocking to me was the slag peeling off like 7018, Only thing I ever noticed from 6010 - 6011 is that 6010 penetrates more and burns hotter . Since the other poster is having trouble with his welder I suspect its maybe the weldor and not the welder ?I welded with a 110v century my little lady owned which she bought from an old man for $15 and it was brand new, only way to get that damn thing to weld decent was plugging it to my generator which puts out 44 amps but on a 20amp outlet it ran like chit. I bought her a harbor freight 240v inverter welder which can lay down rods with ease. That was my only experience with a 110v stick welder and it was a nightmare.Attachment 856641Attachment 856651Attachment 856661Attachment 856671Anyone who has had good luck with 6010 rods on 110v machines please share your stories, It could be helpful to the 110v guys who might be looking for info on the matter. Thanks,Ray
Reply:I'm not really sure using a Syncro 210 is really a fair comparison to using a 110v machine, even if the Syncro will run on 110v power. I haven't had any issues running 6010 on my Maxstar 200 off 110v power either, but then it was designed specifically to be able to do so. My guess is your Syncrowave 210 was as well. I know my Syncrowave 200 will run it just fine, though it's a 220v machine.It's not he input power that is the issue really, so 110v/220v doesn't really enter the picture. It's the electronics of the machine and whether they are designed to handle the changing voltage that happens when you whip and pause. You are seeing a correlation to 110 simply because inexpensive machines are usually designed to run off household circuits. It's the cheap electronics, not the input power that is causing the problem..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:the 110v maxstar flat out hates 6010. last friday i was on a job filling in for someone who took sick and the only rods were 6010. it was a frustrating afternoon.i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla
Reply:The Multimatic 200 will run 3/32 and 1/8 6010 with no problem on 110V.
Reply:To run most 6010 you need nice smooth DC on your output side.Best way to get smooth DC is with a big out put inductor. A lot of small 110 machines don't have much inductor.So its cheap electronics or lack there of.old Miller spectrum 625 Lincoln SP-135 T, CO2+0.025 wireMiller model 250 and WP-18V torchCraftsman 100amp AC/DC and WP-17V torchCentury 115-004 HF arc stabilizerHome made 4 transformer spot welderHome made alternator welder
Reply:ESAB MiniArc 161 LTS dual voltage inverter will run 6010's on 115 or 230VAC.  I have run lots of 6010's with mine at 115VAC.
Reply:The Maxstar 150 will run 6010s but it peters out with any significant rod manipulation. This is not because of "cheap electronics" but rather a design trade-off to get a decent amount of current from a machine running on 120V.Watts (power) = amps x volts. A high enough open-circuit voltage to run 6010s well would mean a lower amount of amps available when running on 120V circuits.I have not tried the new Synchrowave 210 or the ESAB 161. Maybe the newer machines have improved electronics that manage it somehow.JohnA few weldersA lot of hammersA whole lot of C-clamps
Reply:The Maxstar 150's have issues running 6010 on both 110v as well as on 220v power, but you are right in that Miller made a conscious choice to give up the ability to run 6010 well in order to gain more in the tig area and still make the price point they were shooting for..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWThe Maxstar 150's have issues running 6010 on both 110v as well as on 220v power, but you are right in that Miller made a conscious choice to give up the ability to run 6010 well in order to gain more in the tig area and still make the price point they were shooting for.
Reply:The older Maxstar's  200 ran 6010 fine on a 110. A dedicated circuit is best .
Reply:Originally Posted by docwelderdsw; that makes sense but why keep that no 6010 feature in the models that don't have the tig option?
Reply:Originally Posted by docwelderdsw; that makes sense but why keep that no 6010 feature in the models that don't have the tig option?