oh dear should have checked.

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boss wants me to make a load of racks up for work, only to store spares on for the new machines were getting.no probs worked out we needed 582m of 20x50mm box, he ordered 600m to allow for errors.arrived monday during my 4 days off , so to save time he got senior engineer to cut it all to length.did it on band saw, now big sign on bandsaw tells you to check cut angle before starting as we cut a lot of bits at 5degrees.this guy didnt check and didnt read drawings properly so also cut it all short, drawings were hand done as cant get head rd cad etc, and i work in inches, turns out he doesnt understand what he calls primitive measuring systems.can save some of it to use as shorter lengths but still need wagon load more box section.boss is threatening to take it out of his wages.
Reply:I've cut it twice and it's still too short! .No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Take it out of his wages ???  What kind of shop is this ?  Sign should say , set to 90 when done.
Reply:I'd say that's why he's senior engineer instead of lead fabricator. BD1 - I agree taking it out of his wages is certainly questionable but one should ALWAYS check such settings before starting.  NEVER rely on the guy before you.The boss decided to "save time" so he needs to accept responsibility of assigning the task to someone who clearly shouldn't have been  IMO.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:I don't know where you're at, but Employment Security doesn't allow an employer to take the cost of mistakes out of an employee"s paycheck. The employer bears the risk for mistakes and damages. I know of several cases where the employers tried to do this and the (former) employee went to Employment Security about it. In every case the employee got his back wages paid by the employer. This may not be true in every state, but  it works in NY, CT, and NC. I agree with Duaneb55. It's the boss's fault. The boss put an unqualified guy on the job, so it's the boss's mistake.CharleyMiller MM252Miller Bobcat 225NTMiller DialArc HF / DIY Cooler2 Victor O/A TorchsetsMilwaukee 8" Metal SawMilwaukee Dry Cut "Chop" Saw 5 Ton Wallace Gantry Various Grinders, Benders, etc.
Reply:That sucks.  Ya think the guy'd be able to tell when the first cut was done @ 5 degrees.  When I started a job at a heavy duty fab place, I was working on the little horizontal saw, and one of the guys that had been working there for a few years came to cut a few pieces on the saw, a few degrees off from square.  I made a couple cuts before realizing the SOB didn't put the saw back to 90.  Guy was always only concerned about himself.  Looking forward to your pics.-AaronJet 17.5" Drill Press1942 South Bend 16x84 Lathe1980s Miller 320A / BP --- 2013 Power Mig 2562012 Jet 7x12 Horizontal BandsawVictor O/A Setup
Reply:5˚ ?pfft that's nothin'- I can fill that in with plenty o' wire and some paint Ed Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:Originally Posted by Broccoli15˚ ?pfft that's nothin'- I can fill that in with plenty o' wire and some paint
Reply:Originally Posted by CharleyLI agree with Duaneb55. It's the boss's fault. The boss put an unqualified guy on the job, so it's the boss's mistake.
Reply:Need to quote Winston Churchill here"America and Great Britain are two countries divided by a common language."Since the OP is in the UK, his terminology is different than what we would use here in the states.  A "senior engineer" in the Queen's English refers to a long term technician, opposed to a pencil pushing, over educated, PIA.I would guess that the OP must live in England where the metric system is the only unit used for shop measurement.  Kind of odd however because road distance and speed is still given in miles and even stranger is measuring body weight in "stone".  From the shops I have been around in Scotland all units are understood and on the fly calculations are simple head math.  As for docking the guys pay for the screw up?  It probably would not fly there as well, but the boss has to blame someone.RogerOld, Tired, and GRUMPYSalesman will call, Batteries not included, Assembly is required, and FREE ADVICE IS WORTH EXACTLY WHAT YOU PAY FOR IT!Dial Arc 250HFThunderbolt 225 AC/DCAssorted A/O torches
Reply:Originally Posted by David HillmanUnqualified?  The guy has "senior" in his title, . . .
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55"Senior" could just mean he's top engineer dog and still be fresh out of college with zero hands on experience.
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55"Senior" could just mean he's top engineer dog and still be fresh out of college with zero hands on experience.
Reply:I know it sounds like it but just so there's no misunderstanding, I'm NOT sticking up for this guy and what he did.  He obviously shouldn't be left in charge of something like that if that's going to be the results.  And then I was was just covering some of the bases on the "senior" reference.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55I know it sounds like it but just so there's no misunderstanding, I'm NOT sticking up for this guy and what he did.  He obviously shouldn't be left in charge of something like that if that's going to be the results.  And then I was was just covering some of the bases on the "senior" reference.
Reply:When I was apprentice in the tool & die shop, my first lesson was how to how to measure, the second was how to use a file and the 3rd was how to check my work both before and after making the first cut. Arrogance like Mr. short cut's was always met with a boot to the curb and is the best way to save money in any shop. Dwayne's dead on in his first post, that's why the boss is the boss. Remember, most people are hired from the neck down, but never in a shop. In this case, poo rolls uphill. Last edited by bearston; 06-28-2012 at 11:11 PM.When a welder tells you to "stick it", what do they really mean?"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
Reply:It sounds pretty simple to me, if the guy did not understand how to read the measurements he should have stopped and told the boss he didn't know how to do it (or maybe to save some embarrassment ask for the instructions to be gone over more accurately because he didn't want to mess it up)I just don't understand how someone could just start cutting away knowing that they don't understand the "primitive" measuring system regardless of what their title is. Heck with it I'll just eyeball it, those numbers aren't important, if it's not right someone else can fix it. Just weld it back together.Millermatic 135Craftsman 7 Hp 80 Gallon           2 stage compressor
Reply:When I was newly married my wife asked me to do the laundry. I took her favorite red sweater and put it in the load of whites, then popped it in the dryer on high when it was done washing. I have not done a load of laundry in 20 years! A failure? I think not.
Reply:Originally Posted by walkerWhen I was newly married my wife asked me to do the laundry. I took her favorite red sweater and put it in the load of whites, then popped it in the dryer on high when it was done washing. I have not done a load of laundry in 20 years! A failure? I think not.
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Reply:Originally Posted by David HillmanUnderstood, it just chafes me to hear people blaming the boss for this because the employee is "unqualified".  Unless something is missing from the original story, this guy is unqualified to flip burgers, and that's not the boss' fault unless he hired him.
Reply:Bondo...lots and lots of bondo!  Or copper/aluminum backing bars as backing strips! (works wonders for non critical stuff!  Smack them with a hammer after welding and they pop right off!)
Reply:its not a shop as such, just our own factory shop.we make plastic milk bottles that go straight through to dairy for filling.are getting some new machines in from your side of the water.guy is electrical/mechanical engineer apprentice trained as well, boss also sent him on welding/ fabrication course last year.he even admits first thing they said on course was always check saw and your first cut.prob 95% of what we cut on saw is set at 5deg.its not turned out as bad as we thought only actually need to replace 96m of it, as racks were designed to hold biggest spares so they would all look same.just means more cutting and some slightly bigger racks as others will all be bit smaller now.in guys defense he as apologised,asked me to show how to do it, and is doing it in his time to make amends.
Reply:all i can say is, there is NO one on this board who never made a stupid mistake.....(I know, Speak for yourself)
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Reply:5 degrees on 50mm is only about 4mm (a little over 1/8").  So the joint can probably be filled.  There will probably be associated problems keeping it square.  The wide gap side is going to want to shrink more than the close fitting side.Maybe your engineer was designing in a 5 deg upward bow, so the shelves will be flat when heavily loaded "Cut short" could be no problem or a huge problem depending on *how* short.Dynasty200DX w/coolmate1MM210MM VintageESAB miniarc161ltsLincoln AC225Victor O/A, Smith AW1ACutmaster 81IR 2475N7.5FPRage3Jancy USA1019" SBAEAD-200LE