What makes a "beautiful weld" ?

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In another thread: Originally Posted by CEPThanks newbury! Mig is notorious for making beautiful welds, but not very strong. That's why I always say run Mig as hot as you can handle it!
Reply:A very consistent weld that has good fusion/wetting at the toes, isn't too convex/concave. Lots of things to look at when welding and when it all comes together correctly it can be a beautiful thing.Airco Ac/Dc 300 HeliwelderMillerMatic 200 (stolen)Miller Maxstar 150STLMiller AEAD200LE (welding and generating power) Hobart MIG
Reply:Asthetically, a beautiful weld would be one that has a perfect "stack of dimes" look.Realistically, I feel the most beautiful weld is one that holds the best, or ones that may save my life. Im all for something looking nice, but Id rather trust something that looks like dripping syrup thats got great fusion than a stack of dimes with no penetration.
Reply:It's sorta like girlwatching.You will know one when you see one. If it makes your tongue hard, it's pretty, it you chip your teeth with it and get tears in your eyes, it's beautiful Last edited by wornoutoldwelder; 11-24-2014 at 12:08 PM.
Reply:It seems difficult to tell how much penetration is under the bead so maybe some ugly welds really have "inner beauty" ??millermatic 130XPharbour freight 180 amp mig with added caps.hobart stickmate ac/dcpowerarc 200
Reply:Originally Posted by weldinghomerIt seems difficult to tell how much penetration is under the bead so maybe some ugly welds really have "inner beauty" ??
Reply:Originally Posted by weldinghomerIt seems difficult to tell how much penetration is under the bead so maybe some ugly welds really have "inner beauty" ??
Reply:Originally Posted by weldinghomerIt seems difficult to tell how much penetration is under the bead so maybe some ugly welds really have "inner beauty" ??
Reply:Originally Posted by newburyI was only talking about beauty being skin deep.  Is the stack of dimes preferred over a smooth surface?
Reply:It just takes someone who knows what the fuch they are doing....zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:Beautiful welds are the result of 2 things.... a good welder, and a good welder.250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
Reply:+1 "consistency"
Reply:Here is my stack of dimes. At least part of this looks good to me. It was on a rough piece of scrap that I run test beads on. I did this with my SA200SteveLincoln SA200 (1966 Redface)Lincoln IdealArc 250SteveMiller Dialarc 250 (1990)Miller Maxstar 140 STR (2003)Lincoln SA200 Redface Pipeliner (1966)Lincoln MP210 (2015)Victor and MECO torches
Reply:A beautiful weld is one that is perfect and has all the characteristics of a good sound weld. Penetration, uniformity, wets in nice at the toes and no inclusions or imperfections. How you go about getting those results all depends on process desired or demanded. Appearance can vary like ice cream flavors. We are all individuals and so is every process. I have many perfect friends, yet all there personalities are different. Kind of a very broad question.I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:A stacked of dimes look is good for 6010/6011 or TIG but not so much for any other rods.
Reply:Originally Posted by whtbaronBeautiful welds are the result of 2 things.... a good welder, and a good welder.
Reply:Don't you mean, good welds are the result of 2 things. ...a good welder and a good weldor
Reply:Originally Posted by j&jweldDon't you mean, good welds are the result of 2 things. ...a good welder and a good weldor
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveI believe AWS specifies the person is the "welder" or "welding operator" The machine is the "welding generator" or "welding machine"But no "weldor"For what it's worth....likely less than $0.02
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonOk, where do I insert the coins?
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveThat's what broke guys say to strippers....at least that's what weldermike told me he does....
Reply:Turismolover22, a weld with good fusion and that will do what it's supposed to will be beautiful. One that looks like runny syrup will break if you look at it wrong.
Reply:Originally Posted by welderjames85Turismolover22, a weld with good fusion and that will do what it's supposed to will be beautiful. One that looks like runny syrup will break if you look at it wrong.
Reply:Originally Posted by wornoutoldwelderAbsolutely NOT true!A "runny syrup" looking Mig weld without undercut and cold bulge and/or speed/feed faults is the result of both a talented welder and a machine that is hot nuff to perform spray xfer. Such welds are usually only seen performed by a well dialed in automated process in a controlled environ, or a talented welder using proper equipment capable of spray transfer for that thickness who possesses the knowledge, experience and skills necessary to master it.A properly applied runny syrup looking weld results in a joint that offers no extra stress risers like usually found in those pretty stack a dimes looking welds we ALL so love,  where in a runny syrup weld the HAZ can be better managed and more easily compensated for when calculating pre/post weld heat treatment and the cost/weight saving ability to use thinner materials and faster process with fewer reworks and test failures.A consistent "runny syrup" welder can nail a better paying job anywhere, especially in a production shop that produces large runs of items where appearance is important and the bean counters examine the whole process looking for penny savings per item and QA is important and the owner is reluctant to invest in and pay to maintain an automated system where they might change customers and products overnight or before the automated sys can pay for itself.
Reply:i can always tell a beautiful weld. even in the dark. it smells like money.i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny flaOriginally Posted by MinnesotaDaveThat's what broke guys say to strippers....at least that's what weldermike told me he does....
Reply:Originally Posted by welderjames85Maybe I misinterpreted the idea of a runny syrup bead. A pic would be very helpful. In my mind I see a bead that's all lumpy and inconsistent.
Reply:I've only done spray transfer once and have no idea if my bead was even good or not. It had ripples more elongated than a stack of dimes. Is that what yall mean by a runny syrup bead?
Reply:I got a 95 on it. It was in class
Reply:I like a smooth weld. Stack of dimes may look nice but those waves in the weld surface can become stress risers.
Reply:Originally Posted by weldermikeSome guys like to look like big shots and make it rain dollar bills. I'm a baller on a budget, I make it hail and throw nickels at them bitches.
Reply:yesterday i had to build up a 1 1/4" plate with 7024. when the plate heated up a bit those beads burned into each other and the plate with finely spaced ripples that was very pleasing to the eye. i never have a camera when i need one.i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla
Reply:A good welder
Reply:Heres a few pics I have saved of a few different processes and techniques. Like stated, it's really a broad question, and all depends on the job, the conditions or what is demanded. There's a time and place for everything, being well rounded and practiced will always go a long way for whatever gets thrown at you. Me personally, I always feel not up to par due to there is so much more I wish I had time to either learn or improve on.I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:A few more. It basically comes down to a lot of variables of what job and whats preferred. This is kind of a topic that could get taled about forever. Although some pics I posted may look the sameish, they are all different styles of welding to get similar to the eye results, but they are all different. Gotta run. Happy Thanksgiving guys! I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:Mike you make it look easy but is to you. Really nice John
Reply:Beautiful welds = https://www.pinterest.com/wickedwoodsman/welding-girls/"Discovery is to see what everybody else has seen, and to think what nobody else has thought" - Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
Reply:Originally Posted by InsanerideBTW, IMHO, a beutiful weld has no tungsten or copper inclusions. I recently heard copper contamination sunk the Bismark. Or was it the Titanic Doesnt matter but grind out inclusions.
Reply:very inspiring welds there weldermike
Reply:OT but interesting read regardless.Metallurgy of the RMS Titanichttp://www.nist.gov/customcf/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=852863
Reply:I like all of these answers. They all say the same thing (to me) but in a different and more meaningful way.HTP Invertig 221Hypertherm Powermax30 XPPlus other stuff
Reply:Decent tig weld.