Aluminum welding repair

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This is a radiator support for a infinity in think. Pretty big gaps and a couple cracks. The guy was beating me up so bad it was rediculas. I wanted to beat him up! He was russian lol. He was trying to talk me down and telling me I'm a bad welder.
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Reply:[ATTACH=CONFIG]954791[/I guess I need to ask a few more specific questions next time to make the the customer gets what he wants Attached Images
Reply:No comment....zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:All I can say is wow!
Reply:Well he is probably trying to flip a crashed vehicle, most likely to flip it or for his customer.  Either way, you are eating into his profit, Damn you!  Have you seen the Russian crash videos on YouTube.  There must be plenty of work for body shop guys over there.... That hole repair does not look like what I would expect from a pro (=charging someone more than the cost of materials/consumables).  You could have at least washed over everything and smoothed it in.  Then made some stack is dimes passes over the repair to give it more athletically pleasing look.I'm just a hobbiest.  But I occasionally do welds for a little money.  If I sent out a part looking like that.  I would have done it for free or for materials only.   Just saying.  I think that's what the pros that commented are referring toLast edited by soutthpaw; 12-31-2014 at 09:20 AM.Reason: YTiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:I think I would have plated over the hole with some 1/8" aluminum. The rest could have been dressed up with a flap wheel to give it a better look.
Reply:I would have replaced both of those "drop arms" that got all bent up.Thats all I have to say, about that
Reply:I would have told him to buy another one.www.tjsperformance.comDynasty 300 DXHTP 240HTP Microcut 380Hyperthem 85JD2 Hyd Bender and HF Hyd Ring Roller all in one =(Frankenbender)Bpt. Mill/DRO4' x 8' CNC Plasma TableInstagram: tjsperformanceYT: TJS Welding and Fabrication
Reply:What do you charge for a repair like this?Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:New one cost 800 and used 200 but got sold. I charged him 50$ and there was more welds then i showed. and its strong thats whats counts, sometimes not always the looks. It was a big hole how much better can it look with running beads over the top which I think would be a wast of time. I should have grinded it. then you would never know
Reply:You used high strength filler, 5356 filler I hope? Or at least 4943? He got a deal at $50. I would have said it would take an hour to strip, straighten, then weld(with high strength filler).Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li  ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.
Reply:Thanks for showing up shovelon! Yes I used 5356.
Reply:$50? if the guy was being a doosh and his only option was $200, why didn't you tell him $150..?Welding/Fab Pics: www.UtahWeld.com
Reply:Well the 50$ was just for welding the cracks and holes. He has it now but he wants me to try and straighten the bent piece out again. I told him 40$ but i think im gona change it to 60$ and have my friend that does body work help me. and he's gota pay me up front this time. but if I can't do it ill give the money back to him. It's gona be tough with out the car. I think I'll have him make a couple trips back and forth. I tryed welding a piece of 1/4 x1 inch flat stock to it and used my slide hammer to pull it out but it ripped a chunk of aluminum out so I had to weld that hole up to lol. But I dropped in a little piece of AL for that then welded it.
Reply:He was saying I wanna come over and use your welder and do it myself lol. I was playing along because he had not payed me yet. But in my head I was thinking no way!
Reply:Ya it might just not be worth it.
Reply:And I meant to say how much better can It look with (out) running beads over the top of it. In post 11.  Which would be hiding my work. Which I usually don't believe in!Last edited by motolife313; 12-31-2014 at 09:01 PM.
Reply:Yep! That's the only way to learn. Is from your mistakes!!
Reply:It's easier to learn from failure, then from success.Just a couple welders, big hammers, grinders, and torches.Work will free you.Men in dirty jeans built this country, while men in clean suits have destroyed it. Trump/Carson 2016-2024
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopIt's easier to learn from failure, then from success.
Reply:As I get older and wiser I think more about "Liability issues" more than a paying customer.....Especially when they don't"GET IT"    your doing them a favor saving their $$$$$$$$ Part...  Next time if they don't show appreciation tell them your too busy and SORRY....  Miller Dynasty 350Twenty Six HammersThree Crow BarsBig Rock
Reply:Originally Posted by motolife313And I meant to say how much better can It look with (out) running beads over the top of it. In post 11.  Which would be hiding my work. Which I usually don't believe in!
Reply:Been there done that, but when you get jammed up for the bottom dollar you do as least as necessary to stick it together...the customer doesnt sound like he would give a crap if you made it show car quality.....  Miller Dynasty 350Twenty Six HammersThree Crow BarsBig Rock
Reply:Well said dsw!And we'll said bc
Reply:the guy got what he payed for but then again some people want everything for free
Reply:My point was more along the lines of most customers judge "quality" by appearance.   They have no idea what a sound weld is.  So making it "look" nice is not a waste of time because that customer who is happy with the end product will return with more business in the future and/or recommend other potential customers to you.   If you get that part back, consider cleaning up that repair and even stack of dimes passing over the old hole.   See the customer response when he sees it.     Also Zap has a few threads up where hee had filled big holes with TIG.  Might ask him for pointers if you are interested.Tiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:I looked and couldn't find any threads on patching aluminum holes.
Reply:Originally Posted by motolife313Thanks for showing up shovelon! Yes I used 5356.
Reply:I like to live by the following:  " Learn from the mistakes of others, you'll never live long enough to "make all of them yourself".
Reply:Originally Posted by motolife313I looked and couldn't find any threads on patching aluminum holes.
Reply:Ok thanks zap!good job on the repairs. I don't think I have welded cast aluminum yet. I heard those 413 chryslers were torque monsters with there 30 inch runner length.Last edited by motolife313; 01-01-2015 at 02:01 PM.
Reply:Cast aluminum is fun to fix! Haha
Reply:Originally Posted by turismolover22Cast aluminum is fun to fix! Haha
Reply:It did look like you put those in a little cold but I'm guessing you had no other choice
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749I just generally tell ppl like that that I'm too backed up, or my welder just broke or I'm going to be out of town for weeks on a job and won't be able to do it anytime soon.Then, I'll put a notation next to their number so if they call me back, I can be conveniently busy and unavailable to return their call. I have little use for hagglers, cheapskates, misers or chiselers. I've learned how to be conveniently unavailable when those kind of customers come looking for my services
Reply:You must me hungry mike, eat a snickers
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Reply:Originally Posted by zapsterYeah...lots of funExtremely easy to fuch up and it can get away from you fast..Then you are in Real Trouble....zap!
Reply:If the guy was being a jerk, why would you want to have anything more to do with him? It wasn't a simple little crack. Something major caused all that damage. If somebody wanted a cheap job, I'd probably do it like you did but tell the customer it's not going to look like new unless you pay for it to look like new. $50 here is less than a 1/2 hour job. I'd guess you spent over an hour on it.
Reply:I spent right at an hour on it. Besides trying to weld somthing on the bent part and pull it out with the slide hammer. I will grind it down next time with a grinder or carbide burr. It is strong tho. It wasn't budging when I was slide hammering the **** out of it and I smack it pretty good with the hammer and dented it even more
Reply:Moto: Good job seems like you worked with that you had. Don't let a customer tell you what should be charged, there money is not worth it in that case. I think at times we need to learn when to say no, in this case I would of passed on trying to repair that.Millermatic 211Miller Syncrowave 350lx with cooler and tigrunner Thermal Dynamics cutmaster 811955 National Cylinder Gas O/A setup with original patina
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749LAMO. You're a piece of work Mike.
Reply:Originally Posted by MikeGyverWhy am I a piece of work?Or are you just trying to take a crack at me because I don't lie to my customers? or for showing integrity and honesty?Whatever you say man. How you run your business is your business, good luck with that.
Reply:My apologies for expressing my ethical disagreement with you. I'm actually not trolling or trying to illicit a reaction though.I just disagree with your method and suggest (to anyone reading) instead telling them you're simply not interested in working on the particular project, and leaving it at that. no harm no foul Originally Posted by shovelonHow many years have you been in business Mike?
Reply:Originally Posted by MikeGyverMy apologies for expressing my ethical disagreement with you. I'm actually not trolling or trying to illicit a reaction though.I just disagree with your method and suggest instead telling them you're simply not interested in working on the particular project, and leaving it at that. no harm no foul
Reply:My hat is off to any of you guys who are in business for yourselves, and have to deal with the public. If I had to do that, I would be in jail! I get along fine with construction workers, but I can get in trouble at Wal-Mart! Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonAs you know some customers will just not take no for an answer. Their strategy is to wear you down until you agree to their terms, whether they lie or otherwise themselves. They just hog up your time and tire you out. How you shuttle a cheapskate out of your shop does not matter to me. Sure sometimes I could entertain a last minute repair or fabrication, but if I am tired and the customer is a dick, I tell them to go down the road to a shop I know will not or can not do it.
Reply:Some customers expect to haggle and sometimes the best customers come by playing the game. Being prepared to do battle or being prepared to walk away is part of the game. A good part of the time the customers with the most money and the most work, provide the most profit. I don't like seeing any work getting away from me, but sometimes it is meant to be. Working with the public is 10 times worse than earning wages. It is also the most satisfying. I just hate it when it does not pay the bills.Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li  ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.