Lifting eye for Millermatic 252

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The subject has come up before. I don't think I've seen a good answer. I need to put my MM 252 in the cellar. I used the lifting eye on my Dialarc. Has anyone figured out a good way to put a lifting eye on a Miller 252?An optimist is usually wrong, and when the unexpected happens is unprepared. A pessimist is usually right, when wrong, is delighted, and well prepared.
Reply:I worked in a shop that made a cradle to pick up their 252's. It had square tubing going over the top and plate you rolled the machine on. The big back wheels rolled over the end of the plate and the plate lifted on the welder frame. It worked but was kind of a joke. They should have had more stick machines for what they were doing.
Reply:I've got a Dynasty 280 down there, but 7018 is Smokey stuff to work with.An optimist is usually wrong, and when the unexpected happens is unprepared. A pessimist is usually right, when wrong, is delighted, and well prepared.
Reply:I think I would bolt a flat support plate to the center divide about 10-12" square.Then weld another piece at the top of the plate at a 90 so it is flat to the top of the flip cover when closed.(Weld two nuts under this plate)Drill 2 corresponding holes in the flip cover.Now you have a spot to bolt a removable lifting ring and only have two holes showing in the top of the cover.Won't be able to open it with the ring attached, but that shouldn't matter.If the center divide is not quite thick enough, the plate may have to have a few extended pieces that reach to heavier metal.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Couldn't you just choke the welder with a 2" nylon strap, maybe notch a 2x4 cut as wide as the top of the welder . You could add a line from the front handle and the tank rack to keep it from tipping.
Reply:I just sling mine with a couple of ratchet straps. It's pretty easy and quick. One around the rear between the bottle shelf and rear wheels and the othe just outside the front casters. The straps lay toward the middle of the machine when you pick from a single point and hold it upright when under pressure. Easy peasy.Miller Dynasty 200DXMiller 252 Miller 250xMiller Syncrowave 250Miller AEAD200 LegendMiller 375 Xtreme plasmaLincoln WeldPak 100Victor O/A
Reply:I was overthinking it. I wasn't comfortable lifting on the upper tank support, didn't know it would stand the strain. I've had objects tip over when slinging from below the center of gravity. I ended up passing good nylon rope through the two holes in the upper tank support down to the two holes in the lower tank tray. A similar rig wrapped through the upper lead hangers/handles in a double half hitch, passing on to the front casters. This left two middle points of two 1/2" ropes to hook with two ends of a transport chain thrown over the bucket of a loader. Like a babe in his mother's arms. I'd show it off with my newfound skill of posting pictures, but it started to snow, and it'd be too painful for you Miller lovers to see. I've had enough snow and cold.An optimist is usually wrong, and when the unexpected happens is unprepared. A pessimist is usually right, when wrong, is delighted, and well prepared.
Reply:willie; the tank went on a separate lift?i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla
Reply:Yeah, I welded a short chain to a tank cap. Bulling a 300 CF bottle up stairs or into a truck is something I didn't like when I was young. At 58 I try to avoid it. I'm sure it'd give an OSHA inspector a stroke, but I do it all the time.An optimist is usually wrong, and when the unexpected happens is unprepared. A pessimist is usually right, when wrong, is delighted, and well prepared.
Reply:Originally Posted by Willie BYeah, I welded a short chain to a tank cap. Bulling a 300 CF bottle up stairs or into a truck is something I didn't like when I was young. At 58 I try to avoid it. I'm sure it'd give an OSHA inspector a stroke, but I do it all the time.
Reply:Originally Posted by Willie BYeah, I welded a short chain to a tank cap. Bulling a 300 CF bottle up stairs or into a truck is something I didn't like when I was young. At 58 I try to avoid it. I'm sure it'd give an OSHA inspector a stroke, but I do it all the time.
Reply:Originally Posted by docwelderat work i have a tank cap with a piece of 3/8" flat with a hole for a shackle. now i need a way to get my empty 300cf tank up my basement stairs at home.
Reply:Originally Posted by JustmeI used to pick tanks up by the cap until I saw a guy grab one and go to lift it off a step.   Once he had it lifted the cap slipped off and with the load on his arms going suddenly from 80-100 pounds to just the cap, he smashed it full force into his face.   Not pretty!  And yes, it was screwed on all the way.   I've since noticed on many tanks I get the threads and caps are often pretty loose fitting.
Reply:You can get lifting cradles for cylinders so it shouldn't be hard to copy one. The only thing is if it needs engineer approval.
Reply:Gee I can't imagine that. This thread is a couple inches long and threads down so sometimes I need a strap wrench to free it.An optimist is usually wrong, and when the unexpected happens is unprepared. A pessimist is usually right, when wrong, is delighted, and well prepared.
Reply:Originally Posted by Willie BGee I can't imagine that. This thread is a couple inches long and threads down so sometimes I need a strap wrench to free it.
Reply:There are millions of cylinders out there. Do you really think  they all keep the original caps from the original manufacturer? I've worked in welding supplies and filling plants. It's not uncommon to have loose fitting caps. It's also a big NO NO to be lifting cylinders by the cap or welding or modifying the caps for lifting. You can be charged for a replacement cap.
Reply:Its a common sense thing , if the cap doesn't tighten down don't use it. I have a cap with a ring on it that I use and have yet to see a cylinder that it is loose on. I have seen caps that were worn in the threads. I have heard and seen some dangerous stuff done with cylinders and wouldn't consider lifting one with a cap that tightened down in that category.
Reply:Originally Posted by JustmeI used to pick tanks up by the cap until I saw a guy grab one and go to lift it off a step.   Once he had it lifted the cap slipped off and with the load on his arms going suddenly from 80-100 pounds to just the cap, he smashed it full force into his face.   Not pretty!  And yes, it was screwed on all the way.   I've since noticed on many tanks I get the threads and caps are often pretty loose fitting.
Reply:I bought a new cap for the purpose. But if it bothers you guys, you win. I'll weld a lifting eye directly to the tank just below the valve. That sure won't fall off!Just kidding.An optimist is usually wrong, and when the unexpected happens is unprepared. A pessimist is usually right, when wrong, is delighted, and well prepared.