Miller dynasty or miller diversion plus extras!?!

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You have enough to buy the miller dynasty package that let's you hook up your argon and weld or you could buy a diversion 180, a multimatic 200, and a 375 x-treme plasma cutter for less! I am in this position right now. I have made up my mind to buy a tig welder and learn how to tig weld so I can fabricate more than just bolt on. I am an automotive enthusiast and also like bicycles. I am a newb to welding. The little bit of welding I have done at work has been mig and stick. I work in fleet maintenance with diesel trucks trailers small gas trucks, etc. I am just looking to expand my horizons. Which would you do? I had my heart set on that dynasty but when I realized I could buy the diversion, the multiprocess welder and the plasma cutter for the same price... I am starting to lean towards the latter. If you were me which would you do? I was going to buy the water cooled dynasty set-up with the wireless foot pedal. That's why the price is so high. This is a trigger that I am about to pull by the way, so share your opinion.
Reply:If it were me, I'd skip the miller bandwagon. But if you are dead set on it, get the dynasty and a plasma. Get a wireless foot pedal later when someone else releases one that isn't $600(hint hint). Or look at the syncrowave 210 also. The multimatic is pretty pointless unless you are going out in the field to weld. if you want it just to mig get a mig only welder. The dynasty will tig and stick. If it were me because i'm not a miller guy, I would buy the lincoln 210MP for $999 or hobart 210MVP, look at a hypertherm powermax 30, and have money for a tig (miller or not)Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:Been there, done that. If you are a serious weldor, not a clown, buy the dynasty. Money in equals money out. A seasoned pro uses his tools a lot. Diversions are gateway machines meaning you will learn fast, and trade up anyway. If you are going to settle with one or the other I say go Dynasty. Lots of people hear have them dialed in like no tomarrow.Another machine to give considerable attention to is the MillerSync210 inverter tig. Somewhat a compramise between the two, but rock solid.Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li  ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonBeen there, done that. If you are a serious weldor, not a clown, buy the dynasty. Money in equals money out. A seasoned pro uses his tools a lot. Diversions are gateway machines meaning you will learn fast, and trade up anyway. If you are going to settle with one or the other I say go Dynasty. Lots of people hear have them dialed in like no tomarrow.Another machine to give considerable attention to is the MillerSync210 inverter tig. Somewhat a compramise between the two, but rock solid.
Reply:Here is what a kid did with my Dynasty. Never welded before in his life. This is with about 2-hours of hood time. Attached ImagesDon’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:I am a Miller guy, but would certainly open my options up to looking at the Thermal Arc and HTP offerings too. They're less expensive than the Dynasty, but still are good machines for the money. This would allow for other machine purchases you mentioned at the outset.The point here is, as Terry said, the Diversion is a light duty hobby machine and a lot of ppl who buy them quickly realize it's not enough, then take a loss to purchase something with more power. You can't use amps you didn't buy. The Dynasty can stick weld, the Diversion cannot. Value added bonus right there in machine flexibility. Another thing about the Dynasty is the fact that they hold their value extremely well. It will be an investment that you can liquidate for a very large percentage of the original purchase price if plans change and you need the cash out of it. Diversions usually take a big hit off the retail price when resold. They're had to sell unless you're giving one away.Further, if I were to purchase one, I would bite the bullet and buy brand new to get the warranty. Used Dynasty's (even older, non blue lightning models) still command high prices in the resale market. New will be a small loss at initial retail, but the benefits gained will be the peace of mind you get with a warranty like Miller's and knowing you didn't buy someone else's problems. I decided to buy an inverter TIG in 2013 and opted for a new Dynasty 350. For what even factory refurbished units were selling for  the difference wasn't very much more in the big picture.I also had the circumstances where I didn't have to spend a lot out of pocket to buy it, being I sold my S'Wave 250 DX and a couple other machines I had to come up with the extra cash.I would avoid the Diversion (pardon the pun) and look towards a more powerful unit.IMHO of courseExpert Garage Hack....https://www.facebook.com/steven.webber.948
Reply:Mustang Cobra = DynastyPinto = Diversionwww.georgesplasmacuttershop.comPlasma Cutter and Welder Sales and Repairs--Ebay storeTec.Mo. Dealer Consumables for the PT and IPT torch's
Reply:Originally Posted by mechanic416Mustang Cobra = DynastyPinto = Diversion
Reply:Don't count out any of miller's syncrowave machine there rock solid also. As others have said skip the diversion, you will outgrow it quickly. Open to buying used? If so search clist.Millermatic 211Miller Syncrowave 350lx with cooler and tigrunner Thermal Dynamics cutmaster 811955 National Cylinder Gas O/A setup with original patina
Reply:The real option is by the dynasty now or spend more time and overtime getting back to where you can buy the dynasty or equivalent. For working on bikes or cars, the diversion will likely just frustrate you. If you said you were doing tig art or furniture, the diversion could make good sense.  The multimatic is awesome if you want to haul it around, but makes almost no sense for a shop.   I love mine, but my TA 211i was a better machine for in the shop.  Bare machine Dynasty, corded pedal,  HTP cooler and torch build, build your own cart and spend the savings on a hypertherm pm30 or a used miller mig.Multimatic 200Ellis 1800Haberle S225 9" cold sawMM 300;  Spoolmate 30A w/ WC-24TB 302GDynasty 280 DX Tigrunner
Reply:Originally Posted by nelzweldzYeah. The thing is I am not a serious weldor yet. Maybe the gateway machine is just what I need to find out how serious I really am? I really was set on the dynasty 200dx. I had already passed up on the diversion 180 but when I added another welder and a plasma cutter I am swayed a little towards the diversion machine. I have this money saved up. I worked quite a bit of overtime to put it together but I have it. I am committed to buying a miller tig machine. In my research the concensus is that miller is the brand you want for tig welding. If you are a serious master tig weldor, could you make the diversion 180 do what a dynasty 200 does?
Reply:Amen Terry.Expert Garage Hack....https://www.facebook.com/steven.webber.948
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749Amen Terry.
Reply:It's because you bought a Dynasty Terry.Every man that buys a Dynasty, their wife's boobs will increase at least a cup sizeAt least, that's what sources tell me anyways Expert Garage Hack....https://www.facebook.com/steven.webber.948
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749It's because you bought a Dynasty Terry.Every man that buys a Dynasty, their wife's boobs will increase at least a cup sizeAt least, that's what sources tell me anyways
Reply:I bought a new Diversion 180. I learned fast and outgrew it fast. I learned a little more, and wanted a real AC TIG welder for aluminum. I chickened out on a used Syncrowave 250. I bought an old but cream puff Dialarc 250 HF. Quickly I was so addicted, I really NEEDED a Dynasty. I sold both TIG machines at a loss, and bought the Dynasty 280DX. The Dynasty was expensive, it was made more expensive by buying two entry level machines I had to sell at a loss. I wish I hadn't wasted time on the earlier machines.An optimist is usually wrong, and when the unexpected happens is unprepared. A pessimist is usually right, when wrong, is delighted, and well prepared.
Reply:No, it's because you have continued to buy more Dynasty machines Terry..The more you buy,  the bigger they get....... Expert Garage Hack....https://www.facebook.com/steven.webber.948
Reply:Originally Posted by mechanic416Mustang Cobra = DynastyPinto = Diversion
Reply:If you seriously think you will get into bicycle frames and such  using titanium, crmo etc.  I would definitely get a dynasty. the advanced controls and the quality of the arc are 2nd to none.   I still feel plasma cutters are luxury items.  I use OA and dry cut chop saw etc for cutting most of my metal.  The beauty of Plasma is really  with a CNC plasma table.   or if you are doing a lot of non ferrous metals.   Agree if you are not going mobile I would get a dedicated MIG welder.  you can stick and tig weld with the dynasty.Tiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749No, it's because you have continued to buy more Dynasty machines Terry..The more you buy,  the bigger they get.......
Reply:Read the last page of this thread and then take a cold shower. http://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php...highlight=zankWeld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li  ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.
Reply:Here is a post from the MILLER site on Dynasty Processes-Set Up, http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...ocesses-Set-UpMight be worth while reading that before purchase. The Dynasty has lots of bells and whistles to play with . Depending on what you need and not what you want should be the question. It would be nice to find someone to give you a test run of the DynastyI have a old Miller SD180, turn on gas , machine , set heat, push foot pedal down and weld. Kinda like a no brainer and works for me. I would look at the Miller 210 too as a consideration for tig and for a mig the Miller 211 or if that seems small go to the 252. As for plasma Hypertherm nothing else.
Reply:At full output the Diversion has about a 10% duty cycle. I was surprised to learn it doesn't turn off, it tapers back. Outside corner joints on 16 gauge aluminum, I wanted to weld an inch, then skip two inches. I'd be pushing on the pedal, needing more heat, I'd look over at the Digital, it was much lower than the setting! For me, with aluminum duty cycle drove me crazy!An optimist is usually wrong, and when the unexpected happens is unprepared. A pessimist is usually right, when wrong, is delighted, and well prepared.
Reply:I think you're trying to tell me to get the dynasty.
Reply:I think if you have your heart set on the dynasty nothing else will make you happy. Do it.Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal DealerThe last project that I did I used O/A for heating, bending, and straightening.  MIG for tacking and TIG for some but not all welds.  My current project I'm using TIG and O/A Brazing.  See where I'm going with this?  The dynasty is one hell of a machine so I'm told, but if you ever do anything that requires multiple tacks like expanded metal, MIG is just a lot faster.  I pulled out the MIG welder after making two tacks with the TIG.  As others have said, don't rule out a syncrowave either.Edit:  I forgot to mention that I also used the O/A for cutting.Last edited by MetalJunkie; 03-09-2015 at 09:21 AM.Syncrowave 210HH140Victor O/A
Reply:Originally Posted by nelzweldzI think you're trying to tell me to get the dynasty.
Reply:I wouldn't get the whole shebang from Miller. I ordered the machine alone (comes with two DINSE connectors to make a ground and stick lead), and then added the wireless pedal, an HTP (CK) 20 series torch, an HTP cooler, HTP ground clamp, and bought some cable to make my leads. I feel like I got better bang for the buck that way. If you do the math on the Miller TIG runner packages, the cart is big $$$$.Mike ZanconatoZanconato Custom Cycles @mzank on Instagram
Reply:Exactly that is why majority of people build there own carts and water cooler setups. Op: are you considering a used machine? Seems like your locked and loaded. Cash in hand goes a long way on Craigslist.Millermatic 211Miller Syncrowave 350lx with cooler and tigrunner Thermal Dynamics cutmaster 811955 National Cylinder Gas O/A setup with original patina
Reply:Yes, buy the power supply only, and put together a wish list of peripherals. There are a couple of threads on this already. To start it off the SSC controls foot pedal is IMO better than the Miller RFC 14 pedal. I weld  heel clips to my SSC pedals.Of course the wireless miller pedal is cool.Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li  ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.
Reply:I was in the same boat last year. My heart was set on a Dynasty but couldn't really afford it despite many will tell you, you will only cry once. Maybe check out HTP offering on their tig setup? I end up with a HTP and the money I saved. I end up buying a Hypertherm Powermax 45.
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonYes, buy the power supply only, and put together a wish list of peripherals. There are a couple of threads on this already. To start it off the SSC controls foot pedal is IMO better than the Miller RFC 14 pedal. I weld  heel clips to my SSC pedals.Of course the wireless miller pedal is cool.
Reply:I got ripped off!  I bought a Dynasty 350 and Lynda's Boobs stayed the same?My welding got nicer but thats it?Last edited by B_C; 03-09-2015 at 01:28 PM.  Miller Dynasty 350Twenty Six HammersThree Crow BarsBig Rock
Reply:Originally Posted by B_CI got ripped off!  I bought a Dynasty 350 and Lynda's Boobs stayed the same?My welding got nicer but thats it?
Reply:Don't waste your money on a Diversion.Just a couple welders, big hammers, grinders, and torches.Work will free you.Men in dirty jeans built this country, while men in clean suits have destroyed it. Trump/Carson 2016-2024
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonDude put the donut down and put your glasses on! When was the last time you did a first article inspection on them? (not the welds)
Reply:being the guy who always tries to get by too cheap, I finally broke down and bought a nice welder (xmt in my case) and it's taken just about all the drama out of welding.  Previously I was always looking for a better gun, heavier wire, wire cleaners, thrust capacitors, customized kanooder valves, you name it in order to make it work better.  I just wasted money and time.  I think you'll find your learning curve moves along a lot faster with a better machine (see the welds made by another poster's son after 2 hours).  There is a time where you gotta have something and you make it work for a time.  However, it's less time spent and eventually less money spent buying the better machine.  The cheap 'entry level' welders are out there to be given as Christmas gifts for a guy (or gal) that might use it once and set it on the shelf as a trophy.  It doesn't have to be much of a welder to fulfill that purpose.  On other hand if you intend to use it, the low cost welders will be a source of frustration.
Reply:My wife does not have huge melons. They make me happy anyway. We love each other. My dog loves me. My daughter in law says she loves me. My sons, I think love me, but the subject hasn't come up. And my Dynasty and I love each other. Life is good!Last edited by Willie B; 03-09-2015 at 05:35 PM.An optimist is usually wrong, and when the unexpected happens is unprepared. A pessimist is usually right, when wrong, is delighted, and well prepared.
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749Results may vary....Bill, if you buy as many as a Terry has, your wife would need a wheelbarrow to haul hers around
Reply:Uh... So you're saying buy the dynasty.
Reply:Originally Posted by Willie BYou need to understand, My mother & sisters are HUGE, my mother in law must have been HUGE before gravity made them LONG! I don't find that attractive. Smaller ones remain HIGH. I find that beautiful!
Reply:Originally Posted by nelzweldzUh... So you're saying buy the dynasty.
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749If you want your wife's boobs to double in size, then yes.... Really, just take your time and look at the big picture before making a decision.Either way, I doubt you'll regret buying the Dynasty. Just do yourself a favor and buy it new. There's scores of scam artists out there using the Dynasty 200 DX as a ruse to rip you off. Don't fall into one of those deals where the guy on CL or eBay is offering you a "brand new" Dynasty 200 DX for $1800 with free shipping.I've sold machinery to guy who got taken on the exact same scam. If it looks too good to be true, it probably is.
Reply:Originally Posted by nelzweldzYou have enough to buy the miller dynasty package that let's you hook up your argon and weld or you could buy a diversion 180, a multimatic 200, and a 375 x-treme plasma cutter for less! I am in this position right now. I have made up my mind to buy a tig welder and learn how to tig weld so I can fabricate more than just bolt on. I am an automotive enthusiast and also like bicycles. I am a newb to welding. The little bit of welding I have done at work has been mig and stick. I work in fleet maintenance with diesel trucks trailers small gas trucks, etc. I am just looking to expand my horizons. Which would you do? I had my heart set on that dynasty but when I realized I could buy the diversion, the multiprocess welder and the plasma cutter for the same price... I am starting to lean towards the latter. If you were me which would you do? I was going to buy the water cooled dynasty set-up with the wireless foot pedal. That's why the price is so high. This is a trigger that I am about to pull by the way, so share your opinion.
Reply:Money is an issue. I have the money and will be buying the machine outright. But it was mentioned earlier that I may not be in this position again. This is indeed the case. I have decided to stick to my guns and my initial decision and buy the dynasty package deal. I will keep everyone on here posted. Thank you all for the advice.
Reply:have you looked at htp invertig at all? lot of machine for good bit cheaper plus it has 20 more amps....u can get an invertig, watercooler, torch, pedal, and flowmeter for the price of the 200dx by itself.
Reply:Originally Posted by cajunboyhave you looked at htp invertig at all? lot of machine for good bit cheaper plus it has 20 more amps....u can get an invertig, watercooler, torch, pedal, and flowmeter for the price of the 200dx by itself.
Reply:ESAB 281i is definitely worth looking at too.    You get 100 day money back guarantee tooTiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:It is done. Between my last post and this one I placed my order online. A dynasty 200dx with a wireless foot pedal should arrive at my house sometime soon. I bought the water cooled wireless package. Looking forward to my first tig welds.
Reply:Of the tools you mentioned.1) Generally speaking, for the hobbyist, a plasma cutter is expensive vs. the amount of work you get out of it.  I love mine for cutting plate and occasionally gouging.  But most car stuff is tubing and well bike....2) For cars, a 200ish MIG should probably be your first choice.  Your not building a heavy car trailer day-in, day-out.  Your tacking stuff, then welding it home.  Just a MIG is a bit of a blunt instrument when it comes to bike frames... by bike, I assume bicycle not motorcycle.  The Multimatic 200 is an exceptionally good MIG, an acceptable stick machine, and quite frankly just a compromised TIG machine.  I would recommend going on craigslist and getting a clean, well maintained red or blue machine (Lincoln or Miller).  If you can find a Miller 251 or 252 for under $1500 ready to run (some gas and wire) go that route instead.  A 30A spool gun, used, should be about $500-$600 more.  The 250ish MIGs are big enough to do car trailer type work.3) The dynasty is a top of the line TIG machine.  And with TIG, you can generally weld any metal. 99.999% of the time it will be with one gas - pure argon.  As good as that sounds, wait till your lying on back trying to weld in some sub-frame connectors, you'll be wishing you had a MIG then.  And depending on your protective gear, a smooth running MIG like the Multimatic is ideal (less sparks to set your hair on fire).  If you are working on tubing, especially thinner stuff, the TIG is ideal.So... If you are unsure, buy a good used MIG.  You can search Miller's forums about any of their MIGs and get an idea of what people like and don't like (for instance, the Millermatic 250 is supposedly not ideal unless it get modded).  Save your money and buy a TIG later.  Buy the plasma last.  A jig saw or a band saw would be higher on my list.  A saws all when you need to cut things apart.   A O/A torch also allows you to heat things (take them apart, bend them etc.) and can cut almost like a plasma on steel (see sticky in this forum).If you have projects in mind, buy the best welder that can do all the projects...  The Dynasty TIG.  Then practice, practice, practice.Con Fuse!Miller Dynasty 350Millermatic 350P-Spoolmatic 30AMiller Multimatic 200Hypertherm PowerMax 1000G3Miller Maxstar 200DX