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This is a video of an aircraft manufacturing plant in mexico.Look at the fellow at the end as he Tigs a small part.   Tell me if you see the thing he does that's REALLY BAD-  and he does not correct it-  looks like he just lets it go-Do you see the same thing I do ?I think this is why I will weld my own !Tim
Reply:jethroThe only 'good thing' in the entire video was the 'draft fan'.Opus
Reply:probably ran out of argon months ago so the fan blowing next to the bench is no problemoi.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla
Reply:what's about all that spatter on his second weld?
Reply:Besides the fan while tigggin, I noticed Jose used the same cheap azzed Harbor Freight band saw I got except he paid more for his cause it wears a Delta name plate....So ok...I walked away thinking a high percentage of the ultra lite aircraft they build to haul dope over the border will sink in the Rio Grande......That makes me feel more secure.
Reply:Looks like he stuck his tungsten in but wiggled it out and kept going.
Reply:Just googled the company, it says it's based in Austin, TX. If so it's even worse.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bearhawk_LSA
Reply:This video illustrates why you should always look up before stepping out of your house!
Reply:No eyewear when bandsawing. No post flow a end of weld. Just yanks torch away. Does not keep rod in gas stream during weld or  at end of weld.Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li  ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.
Reply:Yea he stuck the tungsten really good, then went right on welding. But at least he is working, not on the phone all the time and his pants aren't falling off.www.georgesplasmacuttershop.comPlasma Cutter and Welder Sales and Repairs--Ebay storeTec.Mo. Dealer Consumables for the PT and IPT torch's
Reply:I know what's wrong,he doesn't have a bowl of water to dip his torch into when it gets too hot. If my post makes you say "WHAT THE ****"I refer you to a thread that is titled:"How to modify air cooled torch to be skinny with manual water cooling tested & works"Last edited by PB17654; 03-19-2015 at 09:26 AM.AHP AlphaTig 200x 3rd gen.Lincoln Power Mig 210MP
Reply:I don't blame the welder.   Probably self taught,  No company training. Company is too cheap to hire a pro or even train an amateurTiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:Originally Posted by soutthpawI don't blame the welder.   Probably self taught,  No company training. Company is too cheap to hire a pro or even train an amateur
Reply:Originally Posted by pb17654i know what's wrong,he doesn't have a bowl of water to dip his torch into when it gets too hot. if my post makes you say "what the ****"i refer you to a thread that is titled:"how to modify air cooled torch to be skinny with manual water cooling tested & works"
Reply:So we have1) Big fan blowing all the shielding gas away.2) Not holding torch over cooling weld.3) Sparks coming from the weld (surely not clean metal).They really should buy a tube notcher.  I mean, 90% of the construction has to be fitting tubes.I guess if the plane is labeled "Experimental" it doesn't have to be welded by an FAA certified welder?Con Fuse!Miller Dynasty 350Millermatic 350P-Spoolmatic 30AMiller Multimatic 200Hypertherm PowerMax 1000G3Miller Maxstar 200DX
Reply:Originally Posted by con_fuse9So we have1) Big fan blowing all the shielding gas away.2) Not holding torch over cooling weld.3) Sparks coming from the weld (surely not clean metal).They really should buy a tube notcher.  I mean, 90% of the construction has to be fitting tubes.I guess if the plane is labeled "Experimental" it doesn't have to be welded by an FAA certified welder?
Reply:Maybe Mr. TIG was the trainer for the welding department.
Reply:Originally Posted by M J DMaybe Mr. TIG was the trainer for the welding department.
Reply:seems legit
Reply:It is a hobo shop by all means. That being said look back through the thread and find faces you would see at any given day at Harbor Freight. The American dream gets fulfilled somehow. I got more beef with the American worker I work next to each day than anyone is this video. Tell them I said that!
Reply:I'm a full blooded MexiCAN. I'm glad they're not wearing sandals and a sombrero and the shaded face shield on the grinder helps since it's brighter then the sun. At least I know I'm 10 pesos better at tig welding then they are.I also think we have a prime suspect in the cause of all the Asian flight crashes. Did you see him put that pipe on the engine mount. I think that **** was painted when he was fitting it on.but I really am Mexican, my grandmothers name was Chu Cha. I was raised on a diet of taquitos and red rice with lite cerveza's since I was under age.
Reply:When the consumer gives a rip about nothing but the final price, this is what you get.  American's are well trained to believe that low price is the same thing as value.One of my competitors now produces all their stuff in Mexico.  Total junk but they are making good money on it:  Purchasing agent gets kudos (and bonuses) from corporate for saving money up front and from there it's maintenance's problem to deal with--when costs actually go up because stuff breaks, it's maintenance management that gets the boot--so they try and make it up by hiring half as many maintenance guys at lower salaries and scotch taping things back together instead of actually fixing them.  The trick is to know when it's time to bail out and start all over again at the next "victim" of corporate stupidity.  It does maximize short term profits, though.But hey, when your goal is more profit TODAY, who cares about the overall long term picture?  Sorry--had to rant after seeing 30 years of downhill slide.  Guess that means it's time to retire and start throwing kids off my lawn.
Reply:MAYDAY! MAYDAY!!  Bearhawk down!MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Looks like he dips the tungsten... but as for the fan, he is using it for fume extraction, it is not pointed at the material. You can see some tufts of smoke get carried in the direction of the fan, also looking at how it is mounted, it can be directed either way. I would say this is less likely to cause problems than having the fan blowing on the material.
Reply:Good catch on the fan direction weldinON and yes he definitely sticks the tungsten which would contribute to all the sparks flyin' around.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!That would be "Exhibit A" in a lawsuit against the company.  That said, all those guys were working and moving quickly.  Wish I could say the same about a lot of people in this country.  They are fortunate to have work, not be forced to carry dope, and honestly I was fascinated that the guy had not only a face mask but glasses on underneath.There may be ignorance in the video (stuck tungsten, sparks, fan, no postflow... ), but I bet if the guy was taught he'd do it right.  That's been my experience with Mexican labor.These comments are brought to you from the Great State of Texas by un pinche gringo abogado.  EDIT - and YES, I would not fly in one of those planes.
Reply:If you guys liked this video, please think all the stuff around you that's made in Mexico these days.  Many of the products you buy are made there...ponder in that for a spell...
Reply:I'm surprised the bandsaw blade didn't break. He sure had the guides a long ways apart. For a place building aircraft they sure had some cheap tools.
Reply:Originally Posted by EastTexIf you guys liked this video, please think all the stuff around you that's made in Mexico these days.  Many of the products you buy are made there...ponder in that for a spell...
Reply:As a pilot, and a member of the Experimental Aircraft Association, I am concerned about this.  I referred the link for this thread to Bearhawk Aircraft and received a quick response, which they asked me to post here.  I suggested that they should sign up and respond.  Anyway, here is what they wrote:"Hello Steve.I was very surprised to get this email from you.  Not once - repeat NOT once in all our years in business - have we had anyone criticize our welding.  Every year we display our kits at Oshkosh.  Since 2003 literally thousands and thousands of professional welders & A&P's have come by our booth and CLOSELY examined our welded parts.  Never once have we heard a negative comment from a professional welder (or anyone) about our welding.We have over 70 aircraft flying from our factory.  There has never been a weld break.  Never.  Not once.There are factories who weld very differently.  A couple MIG weld their fuselages.  Most TIG weld them while we almost totally oxygen/acetylene our fuselages.  We do TIG some small parts and a few other parts to minimize distortion.I invite any of the posters on the forum who are so quick to criticize what they see in 45 second clip where you really can't see much - to come by our booth at Oshkosh to examine what we do close up.  Our welding is excellent.  Just last week a master welder/AI was visiting our factory.  He was glowing in his praise of the quality of the welding and sheet metal work our guys do.  Second to none was his comment.In addition - when I told the design engineer of your criticism - he invited anyone with concerns to call him.  Bob Barrows has 40 years experience in metallurgy and designing steel parts for airplanes and other industries. He and other professional aircraft welders taught our workers to weld.  We are quite proud of what they do.There is no more important matter than the safety of our customers.  Steve, I respectfully request you post this response to the welding forum.  Mark Goldberg.  Bearhawk Aircraft"America Needs AMERICA'S Oil!!!"Global warming is the greatest scam in history ...There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril."--John Coleman, Founder of The Weather Channel
Reply:Thanks for posting this and I'm glad you brought this thread to the company's attention.The video says that most of their welding is OA - which is great - and very little is TIG.  I expect the OA welds look great, at least on the outside but you can't tell everything by what the outside looks like.  Visual inspection is important but to me procedure is at least as important.  And most important, testing (whether non-d or destructive).  I can lay a nice OA bead that isn't worth a ****.  In fact, I'm quite good at it.  Watch some of Jody's vids where he cuts them open and etches beautiful looking welds.I could almost grant the welder in the video having no post flow.  Maybe it's not a critical part (I'm neither a pro welder nor a pilot).  But, and I'm sorry to pick, at 3:47 he sticks his tungsten bad and goes right on.  And the entire time that fan blowing right on the piece.  There is no way gas is shielding that puddle (if there even is one).  Zero - zilch - none.  Is there any professional welder, procedure, or other legitimate source of information that would allow that?So, while the welds may look good at Oshkosh, I would like to see THAT weld AND cut it open and etched.  Sorry to be direct but I want to see THAT weld. Actually, I'd like my old welding instructors to see that "procedure" and then the weld.
Reply:The fan wasn't blowing on the weld, it was being used to suck fumes away. That being said, This Mark Goldberg is not doing his company any favors. Show the video to the same professional welders at their booth and I suspect they would have the same reaction as the professional welders here.  A much better response would have been to say they take their quality control very seriously and will take the necessary steps to insure that all welding is done to the highest standards.
Reply:Hello all.....  Interested to see that some of you noticed the error the welder makes- and doesn't correct.You can clearly see the weld stop-  he wiggles the torch back and forth several times to break off the tungsten in the solidified puddle- then he continues welding-like everything is hunky dory !    Once in a while I do that- if I am doing a repair on my tractor- no bit deal usually (bush hog mower deck-)But if Im fabricating an aircraft rudder- or something structural like that-  doesn't matter how long it takes to clear the problem-  you do what you have to do beforecontinuing.   There is all ways the chance that a weld you do may never be looked at again by anyone.   So that means YOU are the quality control.   Sadly - manyA+P IA types which may look at a weld after you weld it- but since they are often not welders themselves they aren't as observant and picky as your welding teacherwas in school.   (that's understandable I guess)     That's why I believe the man doing the weld should feel that HE or SHE is the main QC.There could be 2 answers to this video.......1.  He is a good worker and trying to do a good job (likely) but not trained deeply  enough to fully understand why an inclusion is bad- especially on an airframe-2.  He was trained properly- and he is someone who does not take pride in the quality of his work.  Pay day and quittin-time as they say.  I have known a fewaircraft mechanic like this- (only a couple out of several dozen thankfully- they were all IA interestingly...... go figure- )For Bearhawk to have this video containing this incident out there in the public domain - as a testament to their high quality-that's a loaded and cocked gun waiting to go off during a court case-  if an airframe ever has a catastrophic failure in flight.Their O-A welds appear to be pretty good- what I have seen of them- perhaps fewer failure modes there.....It just distresses me that they have put themselves into such a difficult position with this-  makes me think that there may be no one on-site that REALLY knows whats going on-  which can very easily lead to all kinds of problems as you can imagine......Why don't they send the welder to the Lincoln Tig school for a semester or two.......  he could then supervise the others in the plant that way...... spread the knowledge....hope it not as simple as greed......Last edited by jethro; 03-28-2015 at 11:45 PM.
Reply:i'm shocked and appalled that there are manufacturing and maybe quality control issues when a company uses 3rd world labor. who could imagine such a thing could happen?i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla