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I am about to find out. Not ebay China cheap, but from a real store, but still China made..
I have this thing about getting a new sub-$100 stick welder that works. Last one was $129.99, and a real 3 year warranty..Worked very well too..Sold it to my friend, so moving the bar down even farther..
Just want something cheap to throw into the truck/car Just don't want to do that with my little Sanrex PeeWee. Those were about $500.00 back in the day twenty years ago..(120 volt only)Duty-cycle is not too bad at 40% @ 75 AmpCoupon code (271577) brings it to $79.99 to my door.. (back ordered till next month) https://www.northerntool.com/shop/to...3033_200833033Last edited by Brand X; 09-06-2020 at 02:51 AM.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200/ Lincoln feedersThermal 95sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered Thermal Drag-gun 35CThermal 15cINE 1500 Klutch 140i
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Originally Posted by Brand X
I am about to find out. Not ebay China cheap, but from a real store, but still China made..
I have this thing about getting a new sub-$100 stick welder that works. Last one was $129.99, and a real 3 year warranty..Worked very well too..Sold it to my friend, so moving the bar down even farther..
Just want something cheap to throw into the truck/car Just don't want to do that with my little Sanrex PeeWee. Those were about $500.00 back in the day twenty years ago..(120 volt only)Duty-cycle is not too bad at 40% @ 75 AmpCoupon code (271577) brings it to $79.99 to my door.. (back ordered till next month) https://www.northerntool.com/shop/to...3033_200833033
Reply:I don't think I want my shop to look like that one above.. I do have one more cheaper 120 volt China unit,just for beating around outside. It's really powerful for a 120 volt unit flux-core unit but the Valve in torch design for gas use was like a 20 pound trigger pull.. This one cost me more then a small HF Ti. 125 or Century FC-90 machine.($260) Worth it for being able to run 10 pound spools, and it has a real handle on top..3 year warranty is another advantage. I would of just bought the little China made Hobart, but it's a transformer unit, and weighs a ton.. Had a better gun design then the Klutch, but not the advantage of the inverter of the one built in the Klutch unit.Sweet welder now..The work lead, and torch lead was very short,and just a POS mig gun.. I looked through my spare parts bin, and came up with a nice upgrade.I also added female dinse for a longer work lead. and better ground clamp. Then took a 15 ft Tweco Mini Mig gun, and converted it to a flux-core only gun. Just cut 5 ft off the end, wrapped the exposed copper wire in a shield,put the liner end into the feeder like the factory job. Then hooked up the trigger wire to the board inside.. It can be converted back to factory in case of a warranty issue. The way these cheap gas/flux core machines are setup for gas welding is through the gun trigger controlling all the gas flow.. Gas tube runs through the machine without any electronic gas valve. The feeder has enough power to push the extra length gun,and the power supply will output everything .035 flux-core could give it.. general use it's fine on a good 20 amp breaker push the machine in the 170/180 amp range, and it will pull a bunch of juice out the wall..One thing this country can still do very well, is some good old Hillbilly engineering
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Originally Posted by Brand X
I don't think I want my shop to look like that one above..
Reply:I have had/used all the high-end machines from all over the world.. I am generally more impressed just how good the cheap stuff is today.. I am not really sure if it would be all that smart to throw one of your pulse machines around either. If I can get a good solid warranty on a cheap machine for little money, I am all in.. I will not spend a lot of money on a China made machine. It's just has to fit a lower end cost mode for me, and do the job. My other friend that has had many machines, has came to the same conclusion on some of these low rent units.. Tough, and really good value, if you know what to look for.. That is the key, understanding what you are buying. If you look at some of the Cheaper units from Lincoln in the mig units.. They are not even close to the toughness of the older SP units, They are now just in the range of all the little China units, and if you want a tough unit, buy a used old one.. Fence builders are about the worst on machines, and they just don't hold up.. unless you spend really big bucks.. In that case i will just use my LN-25 setup for toughness.Last edited by Brand X; 09-06-2020 at 11:42 AM.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200/ Lincoln feedersThermal 95sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered Thermal Drag-gun 35CThermal 15cINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Yep, I agree. The stuff being produced today at the price point they are selling it is crazy, even with typical inflation the lower-end stuff just keeps getting lower in price! I think by next year we might have vending machines for welding machines the size of a 1L bottle of soda pop! So small, you can't even plug in the dinse connectors! Pop in a $5 bill, out comes a 200A stick welder at the break/lunch room of your workplace!
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Reply:Do they come with one of those shields you have to hold in your hand ? so you can go to your office and start welding right there on the desk.
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Originally Posted by Brand X
Just want something cheap to throw into the truck/car
Reply:I don't have very much China made stuff in my shop.. But what I do have is outstanding value. That said, if I am buying higher end stuff I just don't feel the trade off is worth it to me.. Had to good of luck with spending the big bucks one time.. Mid grade things like my tire machines/balancer/mid rise lift have been excellent value, and have paid for themselves very quickly. Buying higher end just was a matter of having or not having it now. It's easy to dump all our Problems on being made in China. We do have real issues with them for sure, but It will come out in the wash I believe.Many little maintenance stuff can be done with these machines.. I just don't want to drag 240 volt machines with me,just for tacking a fence togetherLast edited by Brand X; 09-06-2020 at 12:09 PM.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200/ Lincoln feedersThermal 95sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered Thermal Drag-gun 35CThermal 15cINE 1500 Klutch 140i
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Originally Posted by danielplace
Do they come with one of those shields you have to hold in your hand ? so you can go to your office and start welding right there on the desk.
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Originally Posted by Oscar
So small, you can't even plug in the dinse connectors! Pop in a $5 bill, out comes a 200A stick welder at the break/lunch room of your workplace!
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Originally Posted by Brand X
Speaking of China Dinse connectors. These male/female pair are a good deal.. Pretty decent quality, meaning you can tighten the set screws up without breaking them.It's what I used on the work lead extension. Yes i have the real deal(Dinse) on some of my machines, and Lenco/Tweco ones too. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Originally Posted by Brand X
Speaking of China Dinse connectors. These male/female pair are a good deal.. Pretty decent quality, meaning you can tighten the set screws up without breaking them.It's what I used on the work lead extension. Yes i have the real deal(Dinse) on some of my machines, and Lenco/Tweco ones too. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Originally Posted by ronsii
Those are pretty small ones.... #6-#4 wire size... I wonder if they're making them like the 'brass' hose ends on the china hoses at the Home depot???? lools like brass... smells like brass... tastes like brass... but it AIN'T brass
Reply:Brand X, any update on this welder? They seem to be in stock now. Through 11/9/2020, this $20 off coupon code should work: 272422"USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:It looks a lot like the old Klutch st80i. I learned with that welder. I still have an old guard from a forklift that is covered in practice beads!
Reply:I bought a HFT welder that looks just like the one in the OP and it was a total POS. Could BARELY get an arc started with 3/32 6010 and keeping the arc lit was almost impossible. I returned it.
Reply:Got ya beat on the cheap deal Scott
I got this little inverter stick welder with my CM52 when I bought it. Was some sorta corporate sales gimick. All's I know is that the thing is some kinda purple color (shrug). It's still sitting in its case. I think it's some sorta 85amp midget.
Reply:I think it's actually a Thermal Dynamics midget (as Scott knows.........I gotta thing for midgets) CHECK OUT SMOKIN' ACES ASSASINS BALLMidgets galore!!!!!!!
Reply:Then........................lest we ferget.........there was Smokin' Aces I
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Originally Posted by Kelvin
I bought a HFT welder that looks just like the one in the OP and it was a total POS. Could BARELY get an arc started with 3/32 6010 and keeping the arc lit was almost impossible. I returned it.
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Originally Posted by farmersammm
Got ya beat on the cheap deal Scott
I got this little inverter stick welder with my CM52 when I bought it. Was some sorta corporate sales gimick. All's I know is that the thing is some kinda purple color (shrug). It's still sitting in its case. I think it's some sorta 85amp midget.
Reply:Speaking of cheap, sub-$100 welders, this thing popped up on my Amazon. Claims to run 6010s for $90. Thinking of buying it just for the heck of it.
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Originally Posted by Oscar
Speaking of cheap, sub-$100 welders, this thing popped up on my Amazon. Claims to run 6010s for $90. Thinking of buying it just for the heck of it.
Originally Posted by Oscar
Thinking of buying it just for the heck of it.
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Originally Posted by Brand X
Better watch it, before you know it you will have a complete shop full of these things, and be buried in them almost $200.00
Reply:I do not how must welding you do with only 80 amps. Most welding I did was about 110 to 150 amps.The better low cost option is https://m.northerntool.com/shop/tool...4276_200434276This will do jobDave
Originally Posted by Brand X
I am about to find out. Not ebay China cheap, but from a real store, but still China made..
I have this thing about getting a new sub-$100 stick welder that works. Last one was $129.99, and a real 3 year warranty..Worked very well too..Sold it to my friend, so moving the bar down even farther..
Just want something cheap to throw into the truck/car Just don't want to do that with my little Sanrex PeeWee. Those were about $500.00 back in the day twenty years ago..(120 volt only)Duty-cycle is not too bad at 40% @ 75 AmpCoupon code (271577) brings it to $79.99 to my door.. (back ordered till next month) https://www.northerntool.com/shop/to...3033_200833033
Reply:$79.99 for your posted unit now.I went 120 volt only versions, mostly to keep the real work to dedicated/quality 240 volt machines. I also wanted to keep the 120 volt machines in a price range where it's not worth selling them, and more likely to keep them around.. The $92 plasma cutter really hits that mark..
The little Ironton stick machine does not piss you off like some little low cost machines can.. The hot start works well, and does cut out the arc.. Same machine as the Metal Man Arc 80TIt's a hot 85 amps,(measured) and runs 3/32 7018 fine.. It's what a 120 line supports, and much more you are flipping breakers all the time.. Running SS 309/312 rod is sweet with these little units.. If I need more power then 240 volt INE pretty much is my go to portable unit, and will run 6010 like very few machines. 8 pounds too.Last edited by Brand X; 11-09-2020 at 02:01 PM.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200/ Lincoln feedersThermal 95sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered Thermal Drag-gun 35CThermal 15cINE 1500 Klutch 140i
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Originally Posted by smithdoor
I do not how must welding you do with only 80 amps. Most welding I did was about 110 to 150 amps.The better low cost option is https://m.northerntool.com/shop/tool...4276_200434276This will do jobDave
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Originally Posted by smithdoor
I do not how must welding you do with only 80 amps. Most welding I did was about 110 to 150 amps.The better low cost option is https://m.northerntool.com/shop/tool...4276_200434276This will do jobDave
Reply:I bought a $200 TIG welder from Amazon. (Hitbox 200P) It works much more reliably than my $1100 Thermal Dynamics 200 amp TIG welder. The Thermal Dynamics welder is dead in the water right now, but the the Hitbox is filling in for it any time I need to weld something. So....let's talk about "cheap." A discussion about product cost is only legitimate if the products work in the first place!
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Originally Posted by Brand X
$79.99 for your posted unit now.
Reply:Speaking of working ..Cutting some 16 ga stainless today with the $92 plasma cutter.. Worked about as well as my Thermal/Esab/ Hypertherm machines.. You are gong to have to deal with the edge quality anyway, so might as well use the cheapest machine I have.. Really the small torch is nicer to use then the larger units torch. Total win with that unit...Jim with a bunch of machines thinks so too.. His was $99.00 though..
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Originally Posted by Brand X
Speaking of working ..Cutting some 16 ga stainless today with the $92 plasma cutter.. Worked about as well as my Thermal/Esab/ Hypertherm machines.. You are gong to have to deal with the edge quality anyway, so might as well use the cheapest machine I have.. Really the small torch is nicer to use then the larger units torch. Total win with that unit...Jim with a bunch of machines thinks so too.. His was $99.00 though..
Need a update on the Tooliom 120V when it shows up.. Good thing about amazon is you can send it right back if it does not work correct.
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Originally Posted by jim cafarelli
Cant beat $95 open box deal on the herocut 110 plasma. not a ton of hours with it yet but .iv done some 2 foot long cuts on 1/8 it does real well cant really tell much or any difference in it and my esab powercut on that gauge. also does well on 3/16 . my feeling really ideal for a guy on a budget doing autobody and or restoration's .itll breeze thru 18 gaugeAlso the Klutch 110 migs I have the 140i loaded with 030 modded with a HTP gun runs neck in neck with my esab 220 caddy another great machine for the budget minded
Reply:Jim,tested out some .039 nozzles.. It helps quite a bit in the .250 range. Should speed up the 1/8 too With 28 amps output, getting the nozzle sized correctly is big.. The stock ones are really best served with 40/50 amp machines..The ones we just bought are .047 and similar in size to what it came with the machine. Probably find a better eal, but these will improve the cutting performance.https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07F9KYH3W...v_ov_lig_dp_it
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Originally Posted by Brand X
The aftermarket ones from Riverweld are .044 and getting some .039 ones should improve the performance a bit...
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Originally Posted by Oscar
Ever thought about taking the TIG to the tip of the nozzle and just dabbing a single dab of copper onto the orifice and then drilling it out to your desired size? Maybe an 035 for even finer cuts?
Reply:Just finding the correct nozzles will be enough. .039 is pretty good for 28 amps. There were some pretty small 18/20 amp style tips from Esab.. It was used with the Italian ESAB HandyPlasma 250, real short style tips.. I have not seen any china clones out there yet.. I had that machine at one time..demoed one of the first ones.. Bought one later too.. I prefer this unit for about 1/6 to 1/8 less money.. The Little Italian Esab's was the first machines that all the cut 40/50 machines were copied from.. Poor copies at that! I also seen the Miller rep buy a bunch of the Handy plasma machines to send back to the Miller factory.
If you ever looked at a plasma nozzle form the inside you will know why drilling a nozzle out to size is a bad Idea.. The Thermalcut stuff has a variable sized orifice ,and it's quite complex stuff.. Slick as all get out.. https://patents.justia.com/patent/10687411Last edited by Brand X; 11-11-2020 at 12:09 AM.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200/ Lincoln feedersThermal 95sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered Thermal Drag-gun 35CThermal 15cINE 1500 Klutch 140i
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Originally Posted by Brand X
Jim,tested out some .039 nozzles.. It helps quite a bit in the .250 range. Should speed up the 1/8 too With 28 amps output, getting the nozzle sized correctly is big.. The stock ones are really best served with 40/50 amp machines..The ones we just bought are .047 and similar in size to what it came with the machine. Probably find a better eal, but these will improve the cutting performance.https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07F9KYH3W...v_ov_lig_dp_it
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Originally Posted by Oscar
Ever thought about taking the TIG to the tip of the nozzle and just dabbing a single dab of copper onto the orifice and then drilling it out to your desired size? Maybe an 035 for even finer cuts?
Reply:Well, it's here.
Can't believe y'all made me do this!
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Reply:Cooling Way = Wind...
Seems like we are going to find out just how low you can go..
I really do like my Ironton 80T, but it was imported by Northern tool. Figured since they stopped with the Klutch model, it probably was pretty decent.. Klutch was a good unit too.. I never wanted a digital display on the little ones, figured one less thing to blow up..Last edited by Brand X; 11-11-2020 at 10:58 PM.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200/ Lincoln feedersThermal 95sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered Thermal Drag-gun 35CThermal 15cINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:It will great on job site Can wait to see it welding 8 hours on a heavy plate.Dave
Originally Posted by Oscar
Reply:I believe these machine are best suited to running a few beads every now, and again.. I know my friend uses his little stick welder all the time, when he does not want to drag a bunch of leads from his engine drives. It's all about what your needs, application is.. Worth it's weight in gold sometimes..Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200/ Lincoln feedersThermal 95sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered Thermal Drag-gun 35CThermal 15cINE 1500 Klutch 140i
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Originally Posted by Brand X
I believe these machine are best suited to running a few beads every now, and again.. I know my friend uses his little stick welder all the time, when he does not want to drag a bunch of leads from his engine drives. It's all about what your needs, application is.. Worth it's weight in gold sometimes..
Reply:Just another boring videoI hooked up the ammeter to it. On 120V input, it can put out an expected 95A, not 120+. On 240V input, it puts out a respectable 112A. So on 120V you're limited to 1/8" 6011 or 3/32" 7018, and on 240V it can run just barely run 5/32" 6011, and just barely a 1/8" 7018.Oh, and it can run cheap, off-brand "6010s", but it really can't run true 6010s. It will run "Ebay 6010s", but really if you ask me, those are just 6011s labeled as 6010s meant for the inadequate inverter crowd. Put some Lincoln 5P+, 6P+, Blue Demon/Best Welds 6010, Böhler Fox 6010s, and it chokes, as expected.All in all, it's main caveat is the lack of hot-start. If you peck-and-lift, it just goes out or tends to stick. Dragging it for about ½ " like a long match-strike so as to keep the tip of the rod close helps it light-off much better. Once you accept and get past that, well, it does weld. Tripped the 20A breaker on 120V. I'm going to see if I can make it let the magic smoke out out this weekend.Last edited by Oscar; 11-12-2020 at 10:38 PM.
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Reply:Ebay-6010s & 7018s on 1/4" steel. Not really worth the trouble (nor cost) of trying to run those EBay-6010s, which are like a cross between 6010s and 6011s. The arc is okay-ish, but not stable like a regular 6011 is.
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