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have been working on a jib boom again in the shop, in between jobs. I needed a left handed thread pipe adaptor for monday Im pumping cement 800' down a well the plans call for unthreading and leaving the bottom pipe after pumping the bottom 200' full of cement do to water chemistry issues. so whipped this out this afternoon 6 thread per inch acme   the jib boom is going to be very handy for loading the lathe and flipping smaller stuff over going for 1/2 ton capacity with 17' of reach and there is a 130 x 60mm roller thrust bearing in the bottom housing to help cary the load the bronze is just to keep it straight

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Reply:The welds are immaculate.Far as the Acme......you using an insert?
Reply:No I hand ground it, if it was a important part I would have bought an insert but its a 1 time use and half of it is staying in the ground. I can't take credit on the welds I have a young man working for me who is incredible for a 22 year old, he can think projects through and then do them, I told him what I wanted, and I how wanted it done, and he started laying it out. All those cuts are free hand with a guide he also did a lot of the machining on the jib. he came out to my shop to see me about a project. saw all the equipment he had never ran, but always wanted to, in the shop and was interested in a job. I offered him way to much to come to work figuring if he wasnt worth that much I didn't want him and would let him go, instead I feel like I got the better end of the deal.Im trying to convince him to come on full time.Last edited by idacal; 01-13-2020 at 10:08 PM.Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Reply:also have another project in the works I finally found a replacement truck for my drill rig it had the engine n14, axles 46000 chalmers rears with lockers and cross lockers, 20000 lbs fronts, and most everything I wanted besides an allison BUT it has corroded flimsy rails I got it cheap enough to change rails to the size and thickness I need (which has been next to impossible to find) and still be in it for less than my budget.  99 paystar 5000 will post lots of pictures of this project I have been around a couple of frame replacements so Im not totally going into it blind. but it will be a learning experience

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Originally Posted by idacal

also have another project in the works I finally found a replacement truck for my drill rig it had the engine n14, axles 46000 chalmers rears with lockers and cross lockers, 20000 lbs fronts, and most everything I wanted besides an allison BUT it has corroded flimsy rails I got it cheap enough to change rails to the size and thickness I need (which has been next to impossible to find) and still be in it for less than my budget.  99 paystar 5000 will post lots of pictures of this project I have been around a couple of frame replacements so Im not totally going into it blind. but it will be a learning experience
Reply:Thank you i will call them i was looking for someone closer than pg adamsDo not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Reply:Interested in seeing that frame replace,sounds very interesting!either you LIKE BACON or you're WRONG!!!! "There are three kinds of men.The ones that learn by readin'.The few who learn by observation.The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves"-Will Rogers
Reply:i had a lot more going on in this thread on the other site, hate to lose it,  but this feels like being home though and the pictures came back!!!!  just went to portland to pick up my rails yesterday, 4 3/8s thick 30' long rails about 4500.00. rails are t1 a514 steel. but my other drill rig had the mast winch fail and dropped the mast, only a couple of feet no damage besides to shorts. but to get to the winch I have to take the rig off of the truck so that's the next project.Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Reply:I had this posted up on the other forum but here is the rest of the jib boom assembled and installed with the arm on I have about 1/16" of deflection over 18' height 8" pipe in the middle with 13" plates every 3' and then pressure cemented everything together

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Reply:we got a lot pulled apart today not a bunch of pictures but a few, the winch was a worm drive that finally was worn enough it dumped the tower, no damage, but the rig had to come off the truck to access. while it was down I going to finally fix this clutch pack right. It needs bearings rather than bushings, it spins to fast for bushings and grease and also needs a new gear this one howls like a crazy woman coming out of the hole so a lot of machining and fabricating. bought a hydraulic winch to replace the one that's no good and am going to make this rig to were it is not so painful to run.

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Reply:we are making  new gear for the gear set up in the photos above had to get out the old gear cutter off the balcony, clean it up and remember how to run it. but got the blank centered up and and starting the gashing cut for lack of a better way to put it changing out the bushings in the end clutch of a sett of ball bearings so this is a major fix hopefully it will take out a lot of the pain of running this rig

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Reply:3 hours later the gashing pass is done now, thankfully its self indexing, we need to change to a form tool and cut the tooth probably be 2 passes I have posted up my old gear cutter before but that was before the original crash so here is a full picture of it, spur gears only

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Reply:had some fun today the guys called yesterday and said the truck was acting up and did I want to come get them or just drive it, I told them to drive it. so we got it in the shop and realized the transfer case had spun a bearing we thought anyway. run to the scrap yard pick up a new transfer case Im almost back and they call and say that the back of the transmission is cracked as well that put a damper on what got done today. the planetary in the transfer case had locked up and broke the rear housing all but 2 bolts on the transmission. going to meet someone later who has a core transmission that maybe I can pull the tail housing off of. so instead, a lot of machining and shop work got done, finished up the gear cutting. Now have to start a lot of machining and welding and then machining again.here is some photos, the bearings are what we are going to use. the ring in the lathe gets welded to the gear and everything gets machined out and trued up bearings will be a light press fit. I dont know if this kind of work interests people or not?

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Reply:I like it. I've done some of that work on old B-E 36's, never got into the machine work but we did have an old timer here that could cut most any gear you needed. pretty low stress stuff so he would use a steel that would work harden while working. (according to him). I think most are still pounding holes in the ground.
Reply:I have been thinking about building one of those press brake set ups for my press and am needing to brake 36” lenths are thase accurate enough to be worth the build effort? or just wait to find a real press brake? I was also looking at those  press brake that are leveraged theylook simple enough to build just havent been around metal bending much would like to be able to bend 36” of 3/16 sheet. The hydrualics part is easy for me, its khowing what route to go for once in a while use.Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Reply:Used to see some of those form cutters on Ebay at reasonable prices.  I doubt there's many out there anymore.
Reply:I got over 300 cutters with the machine everything from itstbitsy to 1 dp so no shortage of cutters just need a grinder now to sharpen them. has anyone messed with this type of press brake https://www.northerntool.com/shop/to...tt=press+brake  for making a few tool boxes would build my own and way heavier or are these more of pain than they are worth Im needing some 36" by 18 boxesDo not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Reply:Given the sort of machinery you deal with, I think you would probably be unsatisfied with a crummy press brake attachment. Probably okay for bending a L bracket or C channel. But you are going to very quickly run out of tonnage and throat height to make boxes or pans. And you'll have to pull the part out a million times to check the angle while you sneak up on it.I started with a 14 ton hydraulic press brake. Good for about 10" of 10 ga steel. I gave a surplus dealer $1500 for it. We made thousands upon thousands of parts on it (we are an OEM of our own niche products) and it quickly paid for itself...but setup was always a bear and we never had enough capacity. Now have a 60 ton Accurpress and can bend 6ft of 10ga / 4ft of 1/4". With CNC ram and back gauge we can do stuff repeatedly and precisely and not waste a lot of blanks setting up. But that 10 year old machine with tooling was $40k. And each segment of punch ends up costing hundreds and hundreds of dollars or more. I think it is easy to spend same amount of money on tooling as on the press brake itself.So probably do more welding and make your tool boxes from individual pieces. And keep your eyes peeled for a nearly clapped out press brake with some tooling included.
Reply:thank you that's what I have been thinking. but have never been around press brakes can one of the old mechanicals with a clutch drive do decent basic work? Im pricing out steel to build a 4 foot press attachment and Im going to be a lot of money and time for something that is not very usefulI have a decent 60 ton shop press but its a single cylinder so to get everything to push evenly would be a bear.Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
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thank you that's what I have been thinking. but have never been around press brakes can one of the old mechanicals with a clutch drive do decent basic work? Im pricing out steel to build a 4 foot press attachment and Im going to be a lot of money and time for something that is not very usefulI have a decent 60 ton shop press but its a single cylinder so to get everything to push evenly would be a bear.
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Originally Posted by idacal

thank you that's what I have been thinking. but have never been around press brakes can one of the old mechanicals with a clutch drive do decent basic work? Im pricing out steel to build a 4 foot press attachment and Im going to be a lot of money and time for something that is not very usefulI have a decent 60 ton shop press but its a single cylinder so to get everything to push evenly would be a bear.
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I dont know if this kind of work interests people or not?
Reply:i have been looking and getting quotes on a used brake and probably wait for that to build my truck bed. I haven't posted any projects lately, so here is one some of you know I build a lot of my own tooling and have been building casing perforators for my own use well i quoted an abandonment on an old well it was in a vault under the sidewalk and street, some of the paper work said 8" and some of it said 24" no way to measure until the concrete was busted out. so threw out a lunatic bid, figured 24", and was the only bidder. long story short after 2 short days on a jack hammer it is a 24" well 80' deep. a 24" perforator designed for daily use is more that the whole job was quoted for but I had plan for that. I needed a tool for one job and its going to sit on the pile of 1 time use tools for the rest of my life so here is what we came up with. worked a champ, put 8 holes every 3 feet of depth took about 2.5 hours the last pick is what a 24" well in a vault looks like trying to work around. the punch was s7 steel straight hard no temper

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Reply:Why do they need to be perforated?
Reply:For abandonment work are you pumping concrete in to fill it completely or setting a packer at a specific depth?Are you punching holes in a pattern so that tool gets clocked some way? Maybe I am reading too much into 8 holes every 36" and you run in the hole punching every 4.5" as you pull the tool out.. Fascinated that you could work that depth in 2.5 hours, much respect.Edited to add +1 as 12V71 and elbob said, keep the posts coming.Last edited by _Dom; 04-29-2020 at 03:06 PM.Miller Multimatic 220ACMiller Thunderbolt 225Victor OAMy clocking sytem is a guy on top with pipe wrench rotating the drop pipe which was 2” pipe we would put 8 holes on a circumference then as pulling up the next 3.’ He would back spin to take out thetwist out of the hydrualic hoses. We have to pump cement to total depth this one iwill eather show a little pressure on the pump plate or flow at ground level. Im payed by the yard so the more the merrier. I have 20 yards of neat cement coming with an extra truck in reserveDo not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Reply:That is impressive. Eight holes in five minutes and then up to the next level.80' head pressure is I think 31 psi assuming crude oil S.G. = 0.9? Do you have to overpressure in an attempt to backfill the producing zone?Regarding conditions downhole, did you have good records?Last edited by _Dom; 04-30-2020 at 11:01 AM.Miller Multimatic 220ACMiller Thunderbolt 225Victor OA
Reply:very few records at all, this well was underneath the sidewalk and road. bore hole size should have taken a little over 7 yards we put in 10 to bring cement to surface then pressured in another 5 yard to bring the psi up around a 100 wouldn't hold it but everyone was happy then dumped the rest of the cement in the vault to fill all the plumbing up that was left. it was  mainly a gravel formation well that had been unused for 20  years while town built up around it.Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Reply:Thanks for the detailed response. Did you mean you had to hold 100 psi pressure on the cement until it set? Is this a common technique that you use often? Sorry to derail the shop talk but I am interested in how that was accomplished. Looking forward to more pictures of your new rig!Miller Multimatic 220ACMiller Thunderbolt 225Victor OA
Reply:no we just like to see pressure hold for a couple of minutes its always going to leak down in gravel formations. that just lets us know that all the voids close to the casing, ( those that are caused by the original drilling and the pumping of sand are plugged) those  are a direct conduit to the formation. Idaho has been working for years to make sure that there isn't 1000s of unused wells out there with a bucket over them for a cap, and the enforcement has gotten a lot more envolved. but in the big towns there is some aquifers 100 plus foot down that are unusable because of chemical contamination. so its a needed thing when a high percentage of the states water is well waterDo not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Reply:worked on the gear a bit today basically 3 pieces welded together I wasn't doing the lathe work I would blow the tolerance, one of my guys is really good at this. but we found the limit of a 30 amp breaker on a lathe cut. we will be pressing in bearings tomorrow probably use some heat, will find out if its going to work or not. I have no idea how many pounds of metal were turned to chips on this projectfinally got a angle plate built for my shaper for doing internal keyways don't have any pictures of it cutting a keyway but do of machining out the right angle plate. also I picked up a work truck for the guys. we were going to build a new bed for it but lost the engine on the drill rig so its sitting for week till I can get another engine shipped in. so we are going to just paint it up and mount the old bed on the new truck. some day we may build a purty bed for it. but right now this is the best time to do it while everything is broke.

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Reply:Nice truck. What rig engine did you lose?
Reply:It was a 3406A model im going back in with a 3406B, found a low hour generator that is going to be the donor this is the engine on the deck. It wasnt unexpected just its never a good time, we were blowing a1/2 gallon of oil out the blow by a day Now we are blowing antfreeze out of the radiator so time to fix.Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Reply:Some pretty impressive machining. Hopefully your engine swap goes smooth. If I had the money I’d like to go to California and buy up some of the trucks carb is forcing off the roadMillermatic 252millermatic 175miller 300 Thunderboltlincoln ranger 250smith torcheslots of bfh'sIf it dont fit get a bigger hammer
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Originally Posted by idacal

It was a 3406A model im going back in with a 3406B, found a low hour generator that is going to be the donor this is the engine on the deck. It wasnt unexpected just its never a good time, we were blowing a1/2 gallon of oil out the blow by a day Now we are blowing antfreeze out of the radiator so time to fix.
Reply:A lot of the newer small rigs have 5 to 600 horse on the deck.  the bigger ones with compressors on them are easily 800 horse one of the local drillers on his big rig has a 3406 to run the hydrualics and a 3412 for the air compressor. Most everybody here has got away from the 2 stroke detroits there is a few 8 92s still drilling around here but most have been retired. I dont have anywere close to enough horsepower if i start loading up the compressor and strart trying to trip out of the hole i will kill it every time if its not wide open.Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Reply:got the bearings pushed in the inner sleeve took about 12 ton and the outter about 22 ton to push them together if AI had to do it over would have used the next size smaller bearing so they could have been held in by keeper rings o well, will see if the bearings move in the bores. the key way in the inner is because the whole assembly needs to move lenthwise about 1/4" when the clutch engages that is the main problem all this was to overcome.

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Reply:I have a magnetic base drill bit but it is so slopped out that layouts are never accurate anymore. Im going to be getting another and Im hoping to be starting the truck frame project in a week or 2, can't fit the rails into my drill press, whitch  would be my first choice,  we could unbolt it from the floor i guess, and set it in the middle of the shop.  Im thinking of getting one of those big old milwaukee's that run standard twist bits for this rail job they seem to stay in a center prick way better, doing double rails, the slugs are a pain from the annulars, rails will be sitting flat so the weight is not so much an issue.  but then I still don't have a compact mag drill that's accurate or something kind of in the middle, a fein slugger that runs both, still heavier than a compact. just needs advice.Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Reply:I have one of these Hougen's:https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1There is a jacobs drill chuck adapter for it that works well. For bigger diameter bits I usually end up using screw machine length bits since the chuck chews up a decent amount of the travel.https://www.hougen.com/accessories/a...ies_index.htmlI like that drill better than the worn out Milwaukee mag drills I have used in the past.You are right, when the slug jams in the annular cutter and you don't notice it or can't get it out ... a mess. I sometimes do 304 stainless with annular cutters. A second of not cutting because of a jammed slug and you are into a work hardened world of hurt.
Reply:I have a hougen HMD 904 as well. I too bought the twist chuck and adapter but I've only used annular cutters thus far. I only bought the mag drill a month ago so I don't have a ton of holes under my belt but it came highly recommended off this forum and hasn't disappointed thus far. If you don't foresee ever having to drill bigger than 1.5" holes or if want to keep the mag drill as light as possible, I'd suggest this one. My research showed that back in the day many people claimed the old milwaukee ones were work horses but they were a pain to work with due to weight. I'd still probably stick with a Hougen if I wanted bigger capability IMHO...I need to overthink how I'm going to overkill this project.Miller 211 (transformer)Miller CST 280Hypertherm Powermax 45XPTrajan Q1400Wilton BandsawHougen HMD 904Crowbar for when $@&%* gets real
Reply:The best way to do rails with annular cutters is to drill the outer first, then drop it over the inner rail and clamp it tight and use the outer holes to center the cutter for the next holes. I like to do the holes undersize then ream them to final size when its all setup with the crossmembers in place. I like tight bolt holes in truck frames, eliminates a lot of loosening issues.  I use oiled fine thread 5/8" flange bolts and nuts and beat them down with a medium powered 3/4" impact. One other thing is never use a scribe to mark out holes, i repaired a broken frame a while back where somebody used a scribe mounting a lift axle on a single frame truck... guess where the break started. That one got double framed on both sides 18" each side of the break on both sides.
Reply:Great post! I’ve enjoyed watching your machine work process. That old gear cutter is a beast!Miller Trailblazer Pro 350DMiller Suitcase MIGMiller Spectrum 2050Miller Syncrowave 250DXLincoln 210MP
Reply:got the  gear all installed and ready to go just have to put all the guards back on the rig. generator got here today and we tore into the other drill rig, got the engine out of the rig, generator disassembled, and compressor mounted up to the new engine. start installing tomorrow hopefully, some flat out pooped guys today. I made one mistake for sure did not mark the harmonic balancer before it got taken off the new engine do those need to be timed? or how do you reinstall a 3406b harmonic balancer? I found the scribe line on the piece that mounts to the crank but not on the harmonic balancer we had to change the pulley so I need some advice?. pictures never seem to be in order.

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Reply:I like watching jc smith on you tube. He is always modifying truck frames and uses one of the Milwaukee cordless mag drills. Seems like a pretty slick toolMillermatic 252millermatic 175miller 300 Thunderboltlincoln ranger 250smith torcheslots of bfh'sIf it dont fit get a bigger hammer
Reply:No, the balancer is not timed. IIRC the torque on the bolts is around 190 lb ft.Is the cable rig a Speedstar?
Reply:got the engine in but unfortunately I can't use the generator injector pump controls, it was controlled by an electronic board even in 87, but wasn't set up for a throttle section so idle or wide open. so I have to pull the ejector pump off and send it out to  change out the governor section and a mechanical throttle. any way to bar this engine over easily without a barring tool? Im going to start calling tomorrow, to see if I can find one local. while we are down the guys have been prepping the work bed for paint and then  install on the new truck .not going to look great, but from 40' away it aught to look good. the cable tool is an ideco least thats what's casted into some of the parts. I haven't seen any other, were not a lot of them built.

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Reply:Must have been a bit of an odd duck engine. We have a c model in a 93 Pete that was mechanical control only electrical was fuel shut offMillermatic 252millermatic 175miller 300 Thunderboltlincoln ranger 250smith torcheslots of bfh'sIf it dont fit get a bigger hammer
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Must have been a bit of an odd duck engine. We have a c model in a 93 Pete that was mechanical control only electrical was fuel shut off
Reply:while i fret and worry over the injection pump. we have test fitted the bed and got it painted today its what's called a 20' paint job, but its at least 1 color. we shot it with an airless sprayer, because that's what I had. using cloverdale armor shield will see how it lasts. definitely getting a fresh air system for next time don't like the head aches. next step is running lights and hopefully my injection pump by the end of the week

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Reply:Looking good!