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This cutter could be a deal for someone.. You have to get it quick before Amazon jacks the price out of sight. I picked one up at $1355.21 (Amazon Prime price) Which really is about as low as it might go. , It started out at about $1500 something ,and dropped to $1355.21 this morning Might of dropped lower, but some smart guy always nails it before that happens..
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Reply:Scott, does Thermal Dynamics honor/support the warranty if you buy from Amazon? is there any risk there?Miller Multimatic 255
Reply:Yes they do.. no riskIt's 4 years too.I was thinking about you when I posted it..seems to be holding in price also..
I am selling my 45XP to go with the Thermal machine. Great machine too, just does different things I really don't need at the moment.. I want to be able to run the small torch with 60i, and something not possible on the 45XP. Not a knock, just want to use the SL-40 on sheet metal type stuff.. The 45XP gets good consumable life, but the victor stuff is really cheap on e-bay.. Kind of a wash for me.. Have tons of both anyway.I have a cnc interface for the 60i, and it will work on my cnc table. So with my SL-100SV torch, not losing too much on the table,Some gain and some loss. Want the extra arc length the 60 I will provide. cutting thicker stuff will be a bit easier running at .1900 off the plate instead of the .060 of the Hypertherm. Mostly that, and thick it will be a bit easier in that one application. Find out anyway.. Fan will be louder, but since I run fans to pull the cnc cutting fumes out, no issue with that one either.It's lot of machine for the money. Made in North America too.. (Mexico)
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Reply:yeah, that's a hard to beat price. The best price I have seen on a Hypertherm 45xp is $1860.Miller Multimatic 255
Reply:Mine is $1990 with the cpc connection.. Bought it with the gouging torch/hand torch/cpc for $1910 I believe? Good price, and should sell at $1500 with some extra consumables/Hand torch only. Going to give the gouging torch to a friend,unless he want the whole deal.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Little trick to Amazoomie; look at any product and a couple similar products and sit back. Their system will begin sending you lower and lower prices beginning about 30 hours after first look if they show inventory levels not dropping as predicted.TD is now an ESAB product as I recall. I wouldn't be too sure it's made on this continent, more a chance the container from the far east was dropped here.
Reply:How are consumables for drag cutting?Lincoln, ESAB, Thermal Dynamics, Victor, Miller, Dewalt, Makita, Kalamzoo. Hand tools, power tools, welding and cutting tools.
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Little trick to Amazoomie; look at any product and a couple similar products and sit back. Their system will begin sending you lower and lower prices beginning about 30 hours after first look if they show inventory levels not dropping as predicted.TD is now an ESAB product as I recall. I wouldn't be too sure it's made on this continent, more a chance the container from the far east was dropped here.
Reply:Yeah I used it recently and am getting better at it. Since it is HIgh Frequency I was under the impression I had to maintain tip to work contact at all times. So you can imagine how I was going through consumables and scared to use it as it was eating through my wallet. I recently tried cutting with an 1/8” to 1/4” stand off after intiating cutting flame and the consumables tend to last longer. Still not great at it but getting better.Lincoln, ESAB, Thermal Dynamics, Victor, Miller, Dewalt, Makita, Kalamzoo. Hand tools, power tools, welding and cutting tools.
Reply:Brand X, Ive been looking at plasma cutters for a while off and on and i'm considering the 60i and the 45 XP. I have to say thats a pretty good price, i usually see them around $1700. I have a cheap plasma but for whatever reason it doesn't run well at all off my trailblazer and i'd really like to have a plasma cutter that i can carry to the job site and count on to work as it should. Have you tried the TD unit off a generator or do you have any idea if it will work in a mobile application off a trailblazer?
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Brand X, Ive been looking at plasma cutters for a while off and on and i'm considering the 60i and the 45 XP. I have to say thats a pretty good price, i usually see them around $1700. I have a cheap plasma but for whatever reason it doesn't run well at all off my trailblazer and i'd really like to have a plasma cutter that i can carry to the job site and count on to work as it should. Have you tried the TD unit off a generator or do you have any idea if it will work in a mobile application off a trailblazer?
Reply:Don't forget about the $130 rebate on the 60i from ESAB. The catch is you have to buy an A50 welding helmet also...ESAB Rebels 215 and 235, ESAB HELIARC 281i, ESAB ET 301i, Hypertherm 85 and 45XP, Thermal Arc 185, TD 60i, HTP PRO PULSE 300
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Originally Posted by Brand X
I have not used either the 45XP or 6i on a genny. Put a meter on the 45XP, and it's excellent in amp draw. From what I know the Thermal should be the about the same..You can fudge the # a bit by keeping the arc length short as possible, and with the different torches on the Thermal it should really be genny friendly I played with the SL-40 torch, and noticed huge differences in running different consumables. Main thin is the power supplies on both as about as good as it gets genny wise.Cutmaster shows tomorrow. It's down to $1319.92 now.. Ordered mine Sunday, and will be here on Tuesday. I will have both here, and can run some input/ output tests tomorrow. My guess is the trailblazer will run both machines at least to their rated piece thickness.. Maybe beyond if you setup the consumables corectly.All the thermal plasmas have ran well on the genny's i had them with.. Same with the esab machines.. More of a matter of full power or not.
Reply:The 45XP will have some advantages because of all the different consumable designs. Just a much more modern torch.consumable design. Cutting stuff in normal fashion, the more powerful 60i should have a edge in longer arc length on the extreme edge of performance. I expect on 1 inch they both can cut 1 mild steel at a best quality speed of 3 ipmThe arc will probably blast through the bottom of the plate a bit better on the Thermal unit. That is where I will test for amp draw,and will give the two power supplies a work outI am setting mine up for cnc work, and have a lot of experience with Thermal machines, That means the inherit advantages of the 45xp there will just be less of a factor in me using one. Most people it would not be the correct pick for them, but I am not most people or do production work on my table.. Just my own use type of things mostly.I don't expect the 1219 price to hold much longer. Probably for the next guy to pull the trigger, and that's about it. Sit on the fence, and you can loose out at amazon.. From what i have seen anyway.Last edited by Brand X; 09-25-2018 at 09:38 AM.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:$1306.99 right now..Getting to be a steal, for the next guy to pull the trigger. Keeps going down,and I will buy that one, then send mine back.
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Reply:its back to 1342 now.......
Reply:Now at $1,429.89. (One hour and 20 minutes later.)
Reply:I hesitated. I should have grabbed it at $1319 and used my employee discount on it. But I am in no hurry. I think the black friday deals will be even better than this to tell the truth.Miller Multimatic 255
Reply:It will probably never be this low again. (IMO)I did hook it up.. It's awesome. it even supports my SL-40 torch.. (40 amp max) The 1 inch @60 amps output will draw between 39-42 amps input/240 volts. I ran some 50/55 tips @50, and it dropped it down to the 35 peak input range. Probably better to use those nozzles over the 60 amp ones if you what a bit less draw, and keep the performance up..It really is a powerful arc even with the old torch tech. Hypertherm 45xp is on the way out. Nice,but the Thermal does what i want it to do.. started hooking up to the cnc table now..Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Setup for the table almost. Just have to hook up the two trigger wires to the #3/#4 pins on the J609 terminal. Have to figure out some kind of decent plug to it.. There is arc good on the same terminal, and full arc voltage too.. Just used a CandCnc voltage divider in the unit, and their arc good setup I had..Works well.. The machine auto senses the machine torch with a valve, and sets it up to use. Does not show on the front of the machine, until you plug that torch in. Thought they killed that option, would of sucked too..There is no CNC stuff for this unit, although it's all wired for it in the future..
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Reply:Chris,put this info/ thread up on the cnc place.. Just to make it easier for people to run the 60i on a table.. Really happy with the power, and the old Thermal SL-100SV torch..http://www.plasmaspider.com/viewtopi...161388#p161388Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:It's over 1800 today.MikeEsab Rebel 215Lincoln Weldanpower G7Plenty of grinders, hammers, pry bars and beer.
Reply:Scott ,,your timing could hardly be better picking that up off Amazon,,great score!! nice machineEsab Multimaster 260Esab Caddy160IEsab 161 STLESAB powercut 650Esab 220i tigLincoln Precision Tig 225Lincoln IdealArc 250INE SKYLINE 1500Klutch 140iMEASURE TWICE IS FOR MORONS
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Scott ,,your timing could hardly be better picking that up off Amazon,,great score!! nice machine
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Chris,put this info/ thread up on the cnc place.. Just to make it easier for people to run the 60i on a table.. Really happy with the power, and the old Thermal SL-100SV torch..http://www.plasmaspider.com/viewtopi...161388#p161388There is no doubt the 45XP is a super machine in capability/options I will just use my scribe, if I need some kind of marking. Working a deal here on selling the 45XP, and will just run the Thermal 60i.. Very impressive cutting one 1 inch on my table. Way easier to setup, and run then the 45XP mostly because of the longer arc, and much longer standoff.. Not really a issue with the 45, because it really was not made for that kind of stuff anyway. Stick in the 3/4 range max, and she is way more happy. More people will like the 45 xp because of all the options it allows, just a few things I want, and the 60i works better there. I put in a whole lot of time in the Thermal stuff, and am just happy where I am with it.. The 60i has breathed new life into the old SL torches..(IMO)Last edited by Brand X; 09-27-2018 at 12:36 AM.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Scott,,at that price its always tempting but like you said the esab really does everything I need it too .......not to mention I have a Tupperware full of consumables for like $50..thats going to work out great for your tableEsab Multimaster 260Esab Caddy160IEsab 161 STLESAB powercut 650Esab 220i tigLincoln Precision Tig 225Lincoln IdealArc 250INE SKYLINE 1500Klutch 140iMEASURE TWICE IS FOR MORONS
Reply:I have quite a assortment too.. Sold off tons of victor stuff too. Least Ebay has original 60 amp nozzles for about for about $15.00 for a pack of five, and electrodes at $19.00 for 5.. I believe I can find USA aftermarket now for the one torch.. Generally excellent stuff. so there are 20-30-40 (two styles) 50/55, and 60 amp cutting nozzles available. 40 amp gouge nozzle, 60 amp, and 60 amp drag nozzles made for this unit.. I will use the 40 alot because it seems the new power supply has gave them a boost. Same with the 60 amp . I cut though my first piece of one inch at 40 amps, but a 60 amp nozzle.thought it cut pretty well. Then I noticed it was set wrong. Turned it up to 60, and it really does have driving arc.. Bought a shielded setup 9-8235 (shield only for 50/60 amp drag cutting.} 19.00 but have the extra 9-8237 cups. About $35.00 for those.. So a few extra automation shields for back-up, and more 40 amp nozzles,I will be stocked up well..Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:So , Scott, for non table, non professional garage use, which do you prefer? The new 60i or the 45xp? Just wondering now that you have played with bothMiller Multimatic 255
Reply:The 60i for sure..You have to remember this is just what works for me.. The 45XP could be best for you, if you are doing things that the machine is capable of. Meaning long reach consumables,marking things, Precision gouging spot welds, flush cut stuff off.. List is long on the capability on the 45XP . What the 60i does best is, it thinks it's a bigger machine then it is, and will support my smaller SL-40 torch setup.Nothing with the Hypertherm can get close to that setup. Plus I have little bits, and pieces for Thermal stuff. like a 25 ft lead extensions. Cutting on my table the 60i is much easier to use, when it gets up to the top of the range.. By a mile too. That is where I wanted improvement, and it does exactly what i thought it might. Works better then a A-120/A-60 cutter I use to have when using the 60 amp consumables..Just punches through plate great now. I think is mostly personal preference, but The one time I cut 1 inch plate on my table with the 45XP is showed I missed the extra power of the other machines i had. Just did not like cutting so close to the plate like the XP forces you to do so by torch design.. Thermal could care less, pushing the 60 amp nozzles added a whole lot of arc force to the plasma column. Did not think a power supply would make such a difference to a old torch design.. I was wrong on that one..Shocked really.. Thought the one torch was about done, and this happens..
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Reply:Mine shows up tomorrow...
It's over $1800 on Amazon now. Good thing I bought it at a little over $1300 when you posted.Thanks for costing me money
I'm replacing the Thermal Dynamics 51 with it. The 51 is only a 40 amp but cuts up to 1/4" really well (selling it though).Also likely selling the old transformer based Miller Spectrum 700.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
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Originally Posted by MinnesotaDave
Mine shows up tomorrow...
Thanks for costing me money
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Originally Posted by Brand X
No problem .
Here is some more things you really should use on this machine.. Factory stuff not aftermarket China There are good deals on E-bay for original 60 amp tips (9-8210) and 9-8215 electrodes.First things first, and what you need for good consumable life overall. Look for a deal on the cup, but don't cut corners on import China stuff.. Bad Ju-Ju..https://www.ebay.com/itm/Thermal-Dyn...72.m2749.l2649https://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-The...8AAOSwYIxX4~Zj
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Originally Posted by MinnesotaDave
So that drag cap screws on the end of the regular cup and it gets dragged on the plate instead of the tip?Been wanting a 60 amp plasma for quite a while. This one hit my "cost to desire ratio" button
Reply:Man if I had the money and was able to use the plasma to make the money back I'd have been all over this deal when it went to $1306.00Lincoln, ESAB, Thermal Dynamics, Victor, Miller, Dewalt, Makita, Kalamzoo. Hand tools, power tools, welding and cutting tools.
Reply:Hmmm....so it would seem you are saying to swap tips when turning the amps down.I've been just using what ever size tips came with the 51 and the 700.I'm guessing that's technically wrong - or at least not as efficient.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
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Originally Posted by MinnesotaDave
or at least not as efficient.
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Originally Posted by MinnesotaDave
Hmmm....so it would seem you are saying to swap tips when turning the amps down.I've been just using what ever size tips came with the 51 and the 700.I'm guessing that's technically wrong - or at least not as efficient.
Reply:Looks like the 60i will do air marking, even without a huge production from marketing, and or special software, and consumable parts.. No expensive gas either. Pics @ 11..
I am thinking Esab/Thermal Dynamics don't even know this machine can do excellent at it.With the correct/setup/tip config..
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Here is a link with some amps/arc type for gouging with the Cutmaster..It will take the 9-8237 cup, and 9-8241 Gouging Shield Cap to setup correctly.I have that setup with the A tips, and will get the B style today.. (ebay deals) wounder how my extra 120 amp tips will gouge? I use them for marking layout divots on my table.. With the 10 amp ow end might work even better. then 20 amp low-end of the other cutmaster units.https://www.weldingoutfitter.com/pro...ant=1556461123
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Originally Posted by MinnesotaDave
The B and C both look interesting.
Reply:Chris,got it a bit better. smaller divot. Just dialed down the amps 10/expanded metal setting,and gouge mode will work too, but bit more touchy though / .1400 ramped pierce/.0800 mark height/ 100 ipm speed/ compressed/ air feed. exposed nozzle setup.. one last detail, that puts it all together, but think I will hold back until I run through a few more setups.
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Reply:One with aluminum air, and two SS in argon
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Reply:Scott, Those look really great, had no idea the cutmaster would mark that good or work with argon. The Hypertherm 85 won't mark at all and craps out on argon, I tried everything. Even the 45xp took a little time to mark and be able to see it after painting or powder coat. I know is was not designed for this deep marking but the 45 did open up some possibilities for me once I got the programming down. Now it makes me wish I would have bought a cutmaster when they were $1300.This is one example of what I do with the 45xp. Once painted they look really good. I can do about 80 of these on a 300 cylinder of argon. Each one is done twice to get the making deep enough.
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Reply:Chris,Look very nice.I have a lot of options on depth. I was in the 10 amps mostly, and 12 a few times.. Argon aluminum was a tough one.. Started out with some arc good issues.. Flipped it on with my switch to on all the time was no go.. Since I have arc good amps adjust set lower, and no issues now.. I can use gouging mode or expanded metal mode. pretty much all speeds, and cut heights stay the same.. In my test stuff anyway.. Here is the deal, I use a 120 amp nozzle, and it works great to keep the divot small. The 50/55 are some that I used too. So all amp sizes do a bit different profile.. I have not even played with the amps on the machine yet either. So you have 20/30/40/50-55/60/70/90-100/120 to play with, also the A-D gouging nozzles.. Main thing the air-Aluminum are slick, and cheap to run.Last edited by Brand X; 10-01-2018 at 11:07 PM.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Couple of rated, and max cuts by hand.. 1.25 and 1.625 (shielded drag cuts)
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Reply:^That is amazing for a 60 amp machine to cut 1.1/2" as cleanly as that. I know you are an expert with plasma cutting. But that is impressive I know plenty of 80 amp machines that wouldn't cut it as cleanly. Thanks for the interesting demos and sharing the features of the new machine. Very Interesting.
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^That is amazing for a 60 amp machine to cut 1.1/2" as cleanly as that. I know you are an expert with plasma cutting. But that is impressive I know plenty of 80 amp machines that wouldn't cut it as cleanly. Thanks for the interesting demos and sharing the features of the new machine. Very Interesting.
Reply:HI When watching one of the demos on the 6oi I thought they were very sophisticated and kinda complicated with so many modes and settings I thought they were more suitable for controlled cutting on a table For some one who just wants to pick up and cut heaver material would be better off with the more basic 52 or 82 if all you want to do is straight forward hand cutting Thanks for sharing so many interesting facts and details on that machine
Reply:The 60i is very simple to use.Here is the deal. Air is easier to set, you also have a gouge mode too. The SL-100SV machine torch does not even show up on the front panel unless plugged in. The digital amps is much nicer to set, and know that it's right on the mark.. I had the 52, and 82, but would go for the 60i unless I needed the increased output/voltage input types of the 82.. I totally believe the new inverter is much better with it's power input over the older machines.. I prefer the panel layout over the Hypertherm 45XP, and 65 I had too.. Simple, and intuitive once you use the machine.. I like how it resets itself after a consumable change. There is nothing wrong with the panel on the older machines, but don't let the new tech worry you. Sort of had the same thoughts, until I used it.. Here is one other thing, the 60i is a 10 year newer design over the older units, and it shows. No big clunks of the mechanical contactor on the older setups when first turned on.. I have the CNC interface for the CM-52-120 machines, and really those are setup better for cnc then the 60i is.. (until you order the interface, that no one knows about) In this thread now...The 60i will stay setup for standard cutting mode if set that way.. Meaning, your last setting stays the default setting So once setup,you really don't have to change anything again.. SL-60 torch (like up to 35 ft. air in green /60 amp consumables, 60 amps output/standard plate cutting.. fast to go from gouge/ expanded metal/latch and back again if need be..Last edited by Brand X; 10-05-2018 at 01:20 PM.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i |
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