Starting with TIG - is this everything?

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After years - decades, actually - of stick and fluxcore farm welding, including a year of welding school (stick and oxyfuel), I think in the next couple of months I want to start TIG welding.  I have a Tweco 211i (now called a Thermal Arc 211i), but it has NO TIG accessories.  Would this stuff in the link below be EVERYTHING I needed, except for a flowmeter and a tank of argon?  I don't HAVE to have a pedal, do I?  The 211i is lift TIG, FWIW.  https://www.zoro.com/esab-tig-torch-...specificationsHarbor Freight has a flowmeter for $89.95 that looks OK to me.  Harris has a slew of them going from $70 to $300.Anything else I need?  I think I'd also need some kind of tungsten sharpener, too. Jeez, this is getting expensive....Last edited by Ruark; 4 Weeks Ago at 12:20 AM.-RuarkLincoln 3200HDHobart Stickmate LX235TWECO Fabricator 211i
Reply:I would get  CK-brand 26-series torck/kit with superflex cable from HTP.  Wrestling with a non-superflex cable sucks.  They should be able to build it in a 25-foot'er.   They also have flowmeters for a lot less than that harbor freight $90 one, like 50 bucks.Tungsten sharpener?  If you have a standard bench grinder with a 6" or 8" aluminum oxide wheel, that is all you need.    You're not welding on the space shuttle



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Reply:The cheap flow meters from pretty much any source are the same units with different packaging.  HTP sells them for around $50 with the hose, but you can get the same thing from Amazon for just under $35.  Many of the bigger name shops sell them in Victor packaging, at higher prices, but they're absolutely the same (I was in a rush once and bought one from Baker's Gas that was in the Victor packaging...same as from Amazon).https://www.amazon.com/RX-WELD-Argon...8053528&sr=8-4Check out my bench vise website:  http://mivise.comMiller Syncrowave 250DXMillermatic 350P with XR AlumaProMiller Regency 200 with 22A feeder and Spoolmatic 3Hobart Champion EliteEverlast PowerTig 210EXT
Reply:That's all you'll need for a lift tig setup, but you will get frustrated with ending the arc by flaring away. It works, but having a switch or a pedal will work even better. The function is there for starting and stopping the arc on the button, so I'd rig up a button at least.Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
Reply:I agree with Oscar -- I'd scratch the sharpener (even an angle grinder works fine -- I hold the angle grinder down with my foot and grind such that the swarf blows away from my foot, rolling the tungsten between my fingers) and spend that money on a good "superflex" torch with rubber hoses. The non-superflex can be like wrestling an eel. You'll also want a supply of tungstens (I like 2% lanthanated and 3/32" is by far my most-used size) and collets and collet bodies (Welding City on ebay was always good to me)...enjoy your new setup.
Reply:+1 on ditching the sharpener. I would pass on the zoro kit. You don't/won't need the 1/16th or 1/8th tungstens and collets/collet bodies, and a 26 torch is too big IMHO. The only thing you really need is 3/32 tungstens and collets/collet bodies. For learning, and given you are DC TIG welding only, that size tungsten will do everything you need it to do. Here's what I would recommend you buy and personally I would get it all from HTP America: The SSC foot pedal for your machine (they carry it), an air cooled 17 style torch with the proper DINSE adapter (they have those too), a couple of stubby gas lens collets/collet bodies in 3/32, a couple of #7 cups, a flow meter and a package of blue 3/32 tungstens. This is enough to get you started. Snap all those tungstens in half and sharpen them all up. That way when you dip your tungsten (and you will) you will have a pile of 19 clean ones ready to go, and you won't have to stop to grind your tungsten every time you dip it. I would advise against sharpening your tungsten on both ends.Miller Multimatic 255
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Originally Posted by Ruark

After years - decades, actually - of stick and fluxcore farm welding, including a year of welding school (stick and oxyfuel), I think in the next couple of months I want to start TIG welding.  I have a Tweco 211i (now called a Thermal Arc 211i), but it has NO TIG accessories.  Would this stuff in the link below be EVERYTHING I needed, except for a flowmeter and a tank of argon?  I don't HAVE to have a pedal, do I?  The 211i is lift TIG, FWIW.  https://www.zoro.com/esab-tig-torch-...specificationsHarbor Freight has a flowmeter for $89.95 that looks OK to me.  Harris has a slew of them going from $70 to $300.Anything else I need?  I think I'd also need some kind of tungsten sharpener, too. Jeez, this is getting expensive....
Reply:Just get the torch and 3/32 tungsten.  Rods and drop metal supplier.  I have a couple foot pedals I rarely use.  Pedal work well at a bench seated,  hand controls wirk for seated work and moving around the weldment.
Reply:I spent many years scratch starting with no current control, and still do when I have to. Having a machine capable of current control would make buying a foot pedal priority over a tungsten grinder. I think lift-arc works better with a foot pedal , or so it seems to me. I believe HTP also sells foot pedals for a reasonable price. I would choose HTP stuff over a lot of the amazon stuff, especially if you don't know the vendor. Just my thoughts on it.Airco 250 ac/dc Heliwelder Square waveMiller Synchrowave 180 sdMiller Econo Twin HFLincoln 210 MPDayton 225 ac/dcVictor torchesSnap-On YA-212Lotos Cut60D
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Originally Posted by albrightree

I would choose HTP stuff over a lot of the amazon stuff, especially if you don't know the vendor. Just my thoughts on it.
Reply:The machine will allow a lot more than a scratch start setup. With the pushbutton you can terminate the arc without snapping out. Also the machine has up and downslope settings that are controlled with the push button. I would go with that esab torch with included button or see if htp offers one with the button.
Reply:I have a 211i and found that torch to be extremely bulky and inflexible. I sold it before ever using it and went with a foot pedal. I also went with a 17V torch as don't see needing the full amperage for my tig usage.For me, the foot pedal was worth the added cost.
Reply:I have the thermal arc 181i which as far as I know uses the same 8 pin connector. My torch is a 17 with the gas valve and a push button. The 17 is a fair amount smaller than a 26.
Reply:Most of the ready to go kits for that machine seem to be sporting the 26 torch. With a set of stubby consumables you can shrink it's size down considerably.
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Originally Posted by danielplace

Most of the ready to go kits for that machine seem to be sporting the 26 torch. With a set of stubby consumables you can shrink it's size down considerably.
Reply:If you do buy a pedal, I have to say, the SSC pedals are the nicest pedals out there, apart from some of the OEMs. Extremely well built, extremely smooth, and also well priced considering. They're so good, that they're the default aftermarket choice over here, even though there's only one or two people import them from America. They're so worth it.Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
Reply:As far as I know SSC makes the foot controls for Lincoln so in that case they are the OEM.Ernie F.
Reply:Lots of nice replies, thanks.  But if I get a different torch (e.g. a "superflex"), will it still fit the machine?Also, what is this about a "26" and a "17"?  I didn't know torches came in "voltages."  Sorry to be so naive, I just never went near TIG before.How does the argon get to the torch?  The 211i doesn't have any kind of gas connection on the front of the machine.Last edited by Ruark; 3 Weeks Ago at 09:43 AM.-RuarkLincoln 3200HDHobart Stickmate LX235TWECO Fabricator 211i
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Originally Posted by Ruark

Lots of nice replies, thanks.  But if I get a different torch (e.g. a "superflex"), will it still fit the machine?Also, what is this about a "26" and a "17"?  I didn't know torches came in "voltages."  Sorry to be so naive, I just never went near TIG before.What about the pedal? Doesn't it have to fit into the remote control plug on the front of the machine? I'm assuming they're not all compatible
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Originally Posted by Ruark

Lots of nice replies, thanks.  But if I get a different torch (e.g. a "superflex"), will it still fit the machine?Also, what is this about a "26" and a "17"?  I didn't know torches came in "voltages."  Sorry to be so naive, I just never went near TIG before.How does the argon get to the torch?  The 211i doesn't have any kind of gas connection on the front of the machine.
Reply:I just realized why OP thought voltage now. The V at the end. 26VThat denotes it has a valve on the torch body for gas control since the machine does not have a built in solenoid.
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Originally Posted by danielplace

I just realized why OP thought voltage now. The V at the end. 26VThat denotes it has a valve on the torch body for gas control since the machine does not have a built in solenoid.
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Originally Posted by Ruark

Lots of nice replies, thanks.  But if I get a different torch (e.g. a "superflex"), will it still fit the machine?Also, what is this about a "26" and a "17"?  I didn't know torches came in "voltages."  Sorry to be so naive, I just never went near TIG before.How does the argon get to the torch?  The 211i doesn't have any kind of gas connection on the front of the machine.
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Originally Posted by Ruark

Lots of nice replies, thanks.  But if I get a different torch (e.g. a "superflex"), will it still fit the machine?Also, what is this about a "26" and a "17"?  I didn't know torches came in "voltages."  Sorry to be so naive, I just never went near TIG before.How does the argon get to the torch?  The 211i doesn't have any kind of gas connection on the front of the machine.
Reply:Arggghhhh, it's getting worse.  Been calling around on the cost of an argon bottle. Prices ranging from $330 to $450 for a 122 cubic ft. So we're looking at $700+ just to get started.  Pretty steep for just a "garage hobby."  I might just stay with my trusty old NR-211.......Last edited by Ruark; 3 Weeks Ago at 12:47 PM.-RuarkLincoln 3200HDHobart Stickmate LX235TWECO Fabricator 211i(double post)-RuarkLincoln 3200HDHobart Stickmate LX235TWECO Fabricator 211i
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Originally Posted by Ruark

Arggghhhh, it's getting worse.  Been calling around on the cost of an argon bottle. Prices ranging from $330 to $450 for a 122 cubic ft. So we're looking at $700+ just to get started.  Pretty steep for just a "garage hobby."  I might just stay with my trusty old NR-211.......
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Originally Posted by Oscar

If you're close to san Antonio, you can usually find good used tanks for around $125
Reply:Craigslist/Face Space Market. Sometimes you can buy a cheap chinese mig, and a 120 cu ft bottle for $150 to $200 off there. Just be patient, and ready to drive when something comes up. Good deals don't last more than a day, usually. Renting is another possibility, usually about $120 a year on a 330 cu ft bottle, maybe $90 for a 120 ? Last time I looked(maybe over a year ago) I thought I saw 120 cu ft argon empty as tractor supply for $300 dollars? maybe.Good Luck420Airco 250 ac/dc Heliwelder Square waveMiller Synchrowave 180 sdMiller Econo Twin HFLincoln 210 MPDayton 225 ac/dcVictor torchesSnap-On YA-212Lotos Cut60D
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Originally Posted by albrightree

Craigslist/Face Space Market
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Originally Posted by Oscar

Yup, I've found like 4 tanks for around $130-$150 already filled.
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Originally Posted by Ruark

That much for ALL FOUR????
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Originally Posted by Lis2323

Pretty sure he gave a price range for EACH. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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Originally Posted by Ruark

Arggghhhh, it's getting worse.  Been calling around on the cost of an argon bottle. Prices ranging from $330 to $450 for a 122 cubic ft. So we're looking at $700+ just to get started.  Pretty steep for just a "garage hobby."  I might just stay with my trusty old NR-211.......
Reply:$189 but $69 shipping but if you can find a local wholesaler it should be no more than that.Open account at gas supply $28 to fill.https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08HR4YBFT...-X92-LO-T1R3AT