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Hi Guys,I'm looking for a mag drill for custom fabrication. I'll be using this mainly for drilling large holes in plate steel that my current drill press seems to struggle with, or awkward pieces I can't get under the drill press. I have a 3/4" thick welding table so no issues getting the drill to "stick" while drilling. I plan on utilizing both annular cutters and drill bits depending on the application and size of hole required. I've narrowed my search down to the Hougen HMD904, Milwaukee 4272-21 or CS Unitec MABasic 450. Let me know your thoughts on these as the Hougen seems to have a good reputation on this forum, but this version is only one speed while the others are two speed. The Hougen also has the smallest drilling diameter, although I doubt I'll have to drill a hole over 1.5". The other brands also include a drill chuck while the Hougen requires separate purchase ($190) which eliminates it's price advantage. They all seem to be relatively similarly priced so looking for opinions on durability and performance.Hougen HMD 904 - $845https://www.hougen.com/mag_drills/HM...mag_drill.htmlMilwaukee 4272-21 - $1,100https://milwaukeetool.com/Products/P...Drills/4272-21CS Unitec MABasic 450 - $990https://www.csunitec.com/drills/port...magnetic-drillI need to overthink how I'm going to overkill this project.Miller 211 (transformer)Miller CST 280Hypertherm Powermax 45XPTrajan Q1400Wilton BandsawHougen HMD 904Crowbar for when $@&%* gets real
Reply:I have the DeWalt 1622, works great with annular cutters. For less than 800$ I believe it's the best deal. The problem with it and many others is when using a Chuck for twist drills. They all have limited travel and tend to wander, A LOT. For twist drills the Milwaukee models made specific for that purpose work best.Miller xmt304, Miller S22 p12, Miier Maxstar SD, Miller 252 w 30A, Miller super32p12, Lincoln Ranger 9, Thermal Arc 181I with spoolgun, Hypertherm 10000 ,Smith torches. Esab 161lts miniarc.
Reply:Im partial to the Hougens.
The 904 is a good size for fabrication work.:
Reply:I have the cordless version of the Milwaukee drill. The only gripe I have with it is their "tool free chuck". Standard chucks with Allen screws to lock in the cutters are much more rigid, the cutters have a slight bit of looseness in that Milwaukee chuck. Which obviously gets worse the longer the bit. 1" deep cutters it's barely noticable, I bought a 2" set because i do a lot of 2" tubing and it's a lot trickier to get perfectly placed holes. Now with the twist drill chuck adapter you essentially have a 10" long bit, you can wiggle the tip of the bit almost a 1/4" back and forth. Definetly not what I expected for a $2k drill. Sent from my SM-G970W using Tapatalk
Reply:I have a milwaukee compact. the version before that one and have worn it out, slides are shot and have also used the 904, liked the milwaukee because you could cheat the safety easer but also shattered a few bits while doing it, When things moved. that new milwaukee doesnt look to have enough travel to run regular jobber bits and 730 rpm is prety fast for most things. Im most likely going to break down and buy a new 904sDo not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Reply:Fein is another brand you could look at. They bought Jancy (slugger) as well. Walter also has high end mag drills.https://fein.com/en_us/tools/magnetic-base-drilling/https://www.walter.com/products/powe...setLocale=true
Reply:I have the Haugen HMD917. Two speed, comes with a arbor and chuck for twist drills, and adjustable base. Very solid and versatile machine. A bit heavy with the two speed gearbox.
Reply:I have the 904 the base swivels on mine. No complaints. However, if you desire to use a chuck, I don't think I would select the 904 because of its compact size. Just my though, after considering purchasing one it also does not reverse so tapping would not work. Hougen has install directions on their sight, might be work checking out.If weight is a major concern then... they're all heavy. Especially when holding horizontal, the swivel does come in handy.Last edited by tapwelder; 04-13-2020 at 02:11 PM.
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Originally Posted by tapwelder
I have the 904 the base swivels on mine. No complaints. However, if you desire to use a chuck, I don't think I would select the 904 because of its compact size. Just my though, after considering purchasing one it also does not reverse so tapping would not work. Hougen has install directions on their sight, might be work checking out.If weight is a major concern then... they're all heavy. Especially when holding horizontal, the swivel does come in handy.
Reply:I have a Hougen 904 and like it a lot. Previously used the Milwaukee, but found the Hougen much better.In ten years I've used the drill chuck option one time. The rotary broaches are much better, unless you're drilling small (less than 3/4") holes. Then the drill chuck with a standard drill bit is a better option (the small rotary broaches will break easily).Miller Trailblazer Pro 350DMiller Suitcase MIGMiller Spectrum 2050Miller Syncrowave 250DXLincoln 210MP
Reply:I recently got a mag drill from eBay for around $200 bucks and have drilled over 20 holes so far and it has done a good job.It’s from China of course but for the money it’s been good. But I don’t need one of the expensive ones for my purposes. You might check them out if you think they might work for you.
Reply:Thanks a lot for the advice guys! One of the reasons I'm looking at picking up a mag drill (on top of needing to drill large holes in thick steel) is I'd like to have a backup for my old 1950s delta DP220 drill press that seems to be on it's way out. With the limited stroke, would i still be able to use a mag drill as a drill press? I hear Lis2323 made some kind of stand that I'm curious to hear about. Maybe he and others can chime in...I need to overthink how I'm going to overkill this project.Miller 211 (transformer)Miller CST 280Hypertherm Powermax 45XPTrajan Q1400Wilton BandsawHougen HMD 904Crowbar for when $@&%* gets real
Reply:You can get a chuck adapter for most of them. You could always tack a piece of tubing with a plate on top on a table to raise the mag drill higher.
Reply:I made a table for my mag drill. With various adjustments it can handle quite a lot of different size workpieces that are too small to mount the drill directly.
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Reply:Interesting. I don't quite understand how you adjust the drill press though. Do you simply stack more or less steel under the mag drill to adjust the height (if for instance you had to drill into square tubing of different sizes) or is it pretty much fixed height and the stand is more about clamping thinner plate you other wise couldn't use the magnet on? In either case it looks cool. If you really can use a mag drill like a drill press that sounds great as I might be able to kill two birds with one stone when/if my drill press dies.I need to overthink how I'm going to overkill this project.Miller 211 (transformer)Miller CST 280Hypertherm Powermax 45XPTrajan Q1400Wilton BandsawHougen HMD 904Crowbar for when $@&%* gets real
Reply:Heres another way to consider. It can easily double as an on site drill press. Receiver mounted in top picture.
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Originally Posted by Lis2323
Heres another way to consider. It can easily double as an on site drill press.
Reply:The setup can accomodate up to 4" square tubing by adding 1" metal spacers under the mounting plate. It could do bigger but I have no need. The throat allows for drilling to the middle of a 10" plate which is more than needed. For bigger pieces the drill can be mounted directly. I made the table to use the mag drill rather than buy an industrial quality drill press.
Reply:The Lis2323 setup is awesome.
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Originally Posted by MetalMan23
Rhats an awesome idea though, is that a custom drill press stand?
Reply:Cool stuff! These stands are envious. I see most people running mag drills have the bigger 'beefier' versions relative what I've been looking into. Any reason I should be looking at the Hougen HMD 905 (or similar) versus the 904? The 904 maxes out at 1.5" holes which I think is a pretty massive hole. Anything I'm missing as far as why you might need to drill holes larger than that every now and again? Thanks for all the comments!I need to overthink how I'm going to overkill this project.Miller 211 (transformer)Miller CST 280Hypertherm Powermax 45XPTrajan Q1400Wilton BandsawHougen HMD 904Crowbar for when $@&%* gets real
Reply:I've used the 905 in a shop I worked out of last year. It's a beast. If you're lookin to do lots of big holes, this is the one for you. It's gonna outlast the others I recon.I myself have a $500 Indian pos because I wouldn't bone up big bux for a real one. It's got a stoopid fluid application system that got ripped off by a swarf birds nest the first time I used it so I just use a spray bottle now. It's got a good strong magnet on it and no run out so it performs well. Drilled over 500 holes with it so far 16mm-32mm max, stood up to it ok but you get that funky smell every so often so I wouldn't be surprised to see smoke sometime soon.Last edited by Woznme; 04-16-2020 at 11:26 PM.
Reply:Evolution makes an amazing drill, cheap and tough, can't go wrong
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Reply:If you do much sideways work you will want the lightest one possible. trying to set a 905 in place on a truck frame is not my idea of fun also the safty strap is also for a reason i snagged the cord on my milwaukee they dont bounce well on dirt probably would have done real damadge on concreteDo not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Reply:Hi Guys.Thanks for all of the advice. I decided to go with the hougen hmd 904. Hopefully it's the right choice, but time will tell. I also purchased the Milwaukee annular cutter set and a drill chuck adapter for twist bits as well. This was a lot of $$$ to throw down but hoping to get good use out this tool. It'll be put through it's paces right away as i have a number of projects i plan on using this for.https://www.amazon.com/Hougen-HMD904...7349344&sr=8-2https://www.zoro.com/milwaukee-annul...4aAh_dEALw_wcBhttps://www.amazon.com/HOUGEN-ADAPTE...gen+dri&sr=8-3
Originally Posted by WeldCrazyDude
Hi Guys,I'm looking for a mag drill for custom fabrication. I'll be using this mainly for drilling large holes in plate steel that my current drill press seems to struggle with, or awkward pieces I can't get under the drill press. I have a 3/4" thick welding table so no issues getting the drill to "stick" while drilling. I plan on utilizing both annular cutters and drill bits depending on the application and size of hole required. I've narrowed my search down to the Hougen HMD904, Milwaukee 4272-21 or CS Unitec MABasic 450. Let me know your thoughts on these as the Hougen seems to have a good reputation on this forum, but this version is only one speed while the others are two speed. The Hougen also has the smallest drilling diameter, although I doubt I'll have to drill a hole over 1.5". The other brands also include a drill chuck while the Hougen requires separate purchase ($190) which eliminates it's price advantage. They all seem to be relatively similarly priced so looking for opinions on durability and performance.Hougen HMD 904 - $845https://www.hougen.com/mag_drills/HM...mag_drill.htmlMilwaukee 4272-21 - $1,100https://milwaukeetool.com/Products/P...Drills/4272-21CS Unitec MABasic 450 - $990https://www.csunitec.com/drills/port...magnetic-drill
Reply:For flitch plates, I clamp both pieces of wood under the steel plate, and just continue through the steel and make the holes in the wood in one shot. Sincerely, William McCormickIf I wasn't so.....crazy, I wouldn't try to act normal, and you would be afraid.
Reply:Interesting. You can use annular cutters on wood and steel? First I've heard of that.I need to overthink how I'm going to overkill this project.Miller 211 (transformer)Miller CST 280Hypertherm Powermax 45XPTrajan Q1400Wilton BandsawHougen HMD 904Crowbar for when $@&%* gets real
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Originally Posted by WeldCrazyDude
Interesting. You can use annular cutters on wood and steel? First I've heard of that.
Reply:Put the mag drill to use today. Drilled a number of 1-1/16" holes in 1/2" plate. I was surprised how effortless it was! At the end of the day, it cost me about $1,300 to be able to drill big holes and also use standard bits. Hopefully I get my money's worth out of this expensive tool...
I need to overthink how I'm going to overkill this project.Miller 211 (transformer)Miller CST 280Hypertherm Powermax 45XPTrajan Q1400Wilton BandsawHougen HMD 904Crowbar for when $@&%* gets real
Reply:Congrats on the wise purchase. Im certain you will get your moneys worth out of it. I place a magnetic wand close to the drill to help contain the swarf.
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Reply:I think you made a good choice with the HougenCheck out Ebay for a genuine drill chuck adapter made by Hougen. They come in handy. I probably use the chuck 25% of the time for what I do.This project is set to come out of mothballs in the next few days. PTO driven concrete mixer, made from an old Monkey Wards electric mixer.Anyways...
...I needed to enlarge a damaged bore, and nothing I had in the shop could do the job but the Hougen, set up in a funky jig.
Also, while I'm thinkin' about it. Cutters by Steel Dragon, available on Fleabay, are good, and cheap.
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Originally Posted by Lis2323
Congrats on the wise purchase. Im certain you will get your moneys worth out of it. I place a magnetic wand close to the drill to help contain the swarf.
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Originally Posted by mcspeed
Good idea Lis2323........nice shop too. Do I see a penny farthing in the background? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:Darn right about a freaking swarf of metal shavings...
I need to overthink how I'm going to overkill this project.Miller 211 (transformer)Miller CST 280Hypertherm Powermax 45XPTrajan Q1400Wilton BandsawHougen HMD 904Crowbar for when $@&%* gets real
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Originally Posted by WeldCrazyDude
Darn right about a freaking swarf of metal shavings...
Reply:Otherwise, figger on buyin' a cutter every 5 holes ROFLMAO
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Originally Posted by farmersammm
Otherwise, figger on buyin' a cutter every 5 holes ROFLMAO
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Originally Posted by monsoon-mech
also great for use on porta band and horizontal bandsaw blades too I get twice the life outa metal cutting blades
Reply:Never heard of it, but just bought a tube. So how do you guys use this on a dry metal saw? Just paint some with your hand on the metal? Looks like hougen says you dip the annular cutter in the tube but not sure how you'd spread it on thick square tubing. Thanks for the info!Also good to know you should punch straight through and not stop to remove shavings as you go.I need to overthink how I'm going to overkill this project.Miller 211 (transformer)Miller CST 280Hypertherm Powermax 45XPTrajan Q1400Wilton BandsawHougen HMD 904Crowbar for when $@&%* gets real
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Originally Posted by WeldCrazyDude
Never heard of it, but just bought a tube. So how do you guys use this on a dry metal saw? Just paint some with your hand on the metal? Looks like hougen says you dip the annular cutter in the tube but not sure how you'd spread it on thick square tubing. Thanks for the info!Also good to know you should punch straight through and not stop to remove shavings as you go.
Reply:Why wouldn't you use it on a dry cut saw? I don't use it on my Makita lc1230 but use it all the time on my 8" Milwaukee metal saw or a regular circular saw for cutting aluminum. I just start the blade and apply the tube direct to the blade.
Reply:From what I understand the dry cut saw blade doesnt benefit from a wax type lube stick. Perhaps it or something like WD 40 would help on aluminum cuts with the appropriate blade though. I think it was a Dewalt article where I read that. Of course maybe they say that to sell more blades.:
Reply:On aluminum I use it mainly to keep aluminum from gumming up the blade. For steel I believe it does help the blade run cooler.
Reply:Hows the 904 working out with twist drills in the drill chuck?Miller Syncrowave 180SD
Reply:Works great, i use it all the time. Still need to design a drill press stand for it but works good for now.I need to overthink how I'm going to overkill this project.Miller 211 (transformer)Miller CST 280Hypertherm Powermax 45XPTrajan Q1400Wilton BandsawHougen HMD 904Crowbar for when $@&%* gets real
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Originally Posted by monsoon-mech
also great for use on porta band and horizontal bandsaw blades too I get twice the life outa metal cutting blades
Reply:Nice setups Lis2323.I run Jancy mag drills. I get frustrated with the smart sensor on them though. I need to make setups like you have.
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Originally Posted by mbarasing
Nice setups Lis2323.I run Jancy mag drills. I get frustrated with the smart sensor on them though. I need to make setups like you have.
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Originally Posted by Lis2323
I'm not familiar with the smart sensor. What does it do?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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