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any one here ever work on a job for bp?Complete Fabrication Shop specializing in pipe fabrication. Also offering heavy steel fabrication and sheet metal work.
Reply:yes, as a subcontractor. no problems any different from dealing with other big companies
Reply:I've done several jobs for them.  Whatever you do DO NOT have any accidents!I'd rather be hunting........USE ENOUGH HEAT.......Drifting around Aussie welding more pipe up, for something different.....wanting to get home.
Reply:im working for a company that has done 2 jobs for them with no problems and has just started a job at the terminal in mount holly NC (charlotte). we are tearing out two pipelines and replacing them with new pipe so they can run ethanol which is very corrosive.ive worked in what i thought were some safe places or places that really went above and beyond on the rules but this place takes the cake. and i understand because it is a really dangerous place but weve worked at other terminals with no problems. it really seems as if they are working against us and i know the reason we got the work is because no one else wanted it. some rules make alot of sense we have to wear all flame resistant clothing and no cell phones on site. but some things are crazy. when u get there in the morning you have to back into your parking space and you have to get someone to guide you. you get there at 7 and its 8 30 by the time you start working due to the permit process and safety meetings, then you have to get your welding machines and aircompressors and equip to your work area because they cant be left there over night and they have to be moved by a truck we cant move them with the lull like we always have. by this time its morning break at 9 30. we also have a crew tearing out old pipe if one drop of product comes out of that pipe during a lift or demo the contaminated soil has to be removed and then some and theres a bp rep around at all times that will catch it this is very difficult to do whan demoing pipe when product will sit in check valves and such and of course u cant use a torch only a pneumatic saw. at afternoon break all work stops so welds will have time to cool down and we can get all equip removed from work area so we really only work a half a day. they are really scrutinizing the welding and i can understand that to a point but its only gons bu under 45 lbs at max pressure. they want every shop weld xrayed and every position weld they can get their equip on x rayed and its gone be pressure tested to 300 lbs. we are putting a 6010 root in the larger pipe and they caught us running the root in it down hill and really almost run us off and thats the way i was taught to run a 6010 root although it may be the wrong way i thank as long as it shoots it should be fine. on top of all this the two guys they sent from louisiana to over see the job are the to biggest *** holes ive ever met. im new to the fuel industry and this may be old news to yaw but its a whole different world to meComplete Fabrication Shop specializing in pipe fabrication. Also offering heavy steel fabrication and sheet metal work.
Reply:Originally Posted by scubaholicim working for a company that has done 2 jobs for them with no problems and has just started a job at the terminal in mount holly NC (charlotte). we are tearing out two pipelines and replacing them with new pipe so they can run ethanol which is very corrosive.ive worked in what i thought were some safe places or places that really went above and beyond on the rules but this place takes the cake. and i understand because it is a really dangerous place but weve worked at other terminals with no problems. it really seems as if they are working against us and i know the reason we got the work is because no one else wanted it. some rules make alot of sense we have to wear all flame resistant clothing and no cell phones on site. but some things are crazy. when u get there in the morning you have to back into your parking space and you have to get someone to guide you. you get there at 7 and its 8 30 by the time you start working due to the permit process and safety meetings, then you have to get your welding machines and aircompressors and equip to your work area because they cant be left there over night and they have to be moved by a truck we cant move them with the lull like we always have. by this time its morning break at 9 30. we also have a crew tearing out old pipe if one drop of product comes out of that pipe during a lift or demo the contaminated soil has to be removed and then some and theres a bp rep around at all times that will catch it this is very difficult to do whan demoing pipe when product will sit in check valves and such and of course u cant use a torch only a pneumatic saw. at afternoon break all work stops so welds will have time to cool down and we can get all equip removed from work area so we really only work a half a day. they are really scrutinizing the welding and i can understand that to a point but its only gons bu under 45 lbs at max pressure. they want every shop weld xrayed and every position weld they can get their equip on x rayed and its gone be pressure tested to 300 lbs. we are putting a 6010 root in the larger pipe and they caught us running the root in it down hill and really almost run us off and thats the way i was taught to run a 6010 root although it may be the wrong way i thank as long as it shoots it should be fine. on top of all this the two guys they sent from louisiana to over see the job are the to biggest *** holes ive ever met. im new to the fuel industry and this may be old news to yaw but its a whole different world to me
Reply:I haven't been anywhere that would let you dump product on the ground for many, many years.You better have big drain pans under the flanges when you bust lose a valve and a vac truck to suck it up. Any dirt that gets product on it is bagged and hauled off. That's just the way it is.If the procedure calls for uphill stringers, then they would have every legal stance to make you cut out and replace every weld made contrary to that.If it's their site and their job then you have to do things their way. The owner sets the rules, right wrong or indifferent. I've never seen argueing work out well for the contractor in those situations. If the contractor wasn't aware of the conditions of the work, they'll learn a hard lesson on this job.JTMcC.
Reply:JT touched on the important bit there.  What procedure did you do your weld qual. to?Also, what weld inspection quals. do the BP reps have?We had a small cross country line to run from a wharf to a BP terminal and they wanted the whole thing tig welded, we managed to talk them out of it. With the local weather condition's it would have taken for ever, luckily we where allowed to stove it.I won't do refinery work or BP work now because of the overalls. The most incidents I've had is when wearing those stupid bloody thing's, getting caught on everything and tipping me up or pulling me off balance.I'd rather be hunting........USE ENOUGH HEAT.......Drifting around Aussie welding more pipe up, for something different.....wanting to get home.
Reply:we tested on 2 in sch 160 tig root and hot and 7018 out and a tig all the way out nothing was ever said abt 6010s until we got in the fieldComplete Fabrication Shop specializing in pipe fabrication. Also offering heavy steel fabrication and sheet metal work.
Reply:You should be re qualed to do the 6010......I'd rather be hunting........USE ENOUGH HEAT.......Drifting around Aussie welding more pipe up, for something different.....wanting to get home.
Reply:Yep you got to get used to that. I work for Shell and safety is really number one (not just lip service either) its a ton of paper work and permits and safety meeting but they are just looking out for you. The rules are in place because someone has gotten killed or injured, and I have seen several procedure changes just because someone had a close call or got hurt. We are not in the cookie baking industry (although im sure you could get hurt doing that as well) we make highly flammable fuels. Oh and vertical down is a big no no in the oil industry, allot of the texas pipeliners that come out here as contractors are real big on vertical down, but don't get caught doing it, lol.
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55scuby,One reason for their 'focus' on safety is that they haven't been doing too well in that department lately.  15 died in or as a result of an explosion during a turn-around a couple years back and then another accident resulting in at least one death a year later and so on and so on.  As for the product on the ground, ALL refineries are watching that sort of thing very carefully these days and have been for some time now.  Despite popular public opinion, todays refineries are very environmentally conscious - some more than others with BP being one of them.  Unfortunately, some of what makes it that way does slow things down a bit.  If you want to get a better feel for what being unsafe can mean, just talk to a Safety Director that has had to help recover bodies after an 'event'.Be safe up there!
Reply:Originally Posted by SR20steve. Oh and vertical down is a big no no in the oil industry, .
Reply:Refineries here are all tig root on site and stt in the spooling shop.  Get over the fence and downhill all the way.  Tank farms go both ways.I'd rather be hunting........USE ENOUGH HEAT.......Drifting around Aussie welding more pipe up, for something different.....wanting to get home.